Gun and protection

[sabresfaninthesouth]

But I like to argue. If you want to control a room against someone with a gun, take up Krav Maga. You will never stop guns and crime from mixing no matter what bans you place on firearms.

That's a huuugggeee new can of worms right there

I just say that because there are other countries where there are much tighter controls on guns where there's also very little gun crime.

 

[awaz]

But I like to argue. If you want to control a room against someone with a gun, take up Krav Maga. You will never stop guns and crime from mixing no matter what bans you place on firearms.

Krav Maga ain't gunna help you much if you're 30 feet away from the guy. Doesn't matter how strong or well practice you are, if a 90 year old man with a walker has a gun, you're still going to lose.

handguns are fine though, even semi-auto rifles with not ridiculous clips are fine. a group of brave individuals can overcome those situations if they choose to act, knowing that some, or most, may end up shot. if you have an automatic AR, even a group of brave individuals doesn't have much of a chance

 

[SLY]

Krav Maga ain't gunna help you much if you're 30 feet away from the guy. Doesn't matter how strong or well practice you are, if a 90 year old man with a walker has a gun, you're still going to lose.

handguns are fine though, even semi-auto rifles with not ridiculous clips are fine. a group of brave individuals can overcome those situations if they choose to act, knowing that some, or most, may end up shot. if you have an automatic AR, even a group of brave individuals doesn't have much of a chance

You can control a room with a handgun.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Handguns are probably the biggest difference between the US and foreign countries too.

A handgun tends to be the "go to" for most gun owners in the US, but are frequently illegal or limited only to licensed competition shooters in other countries.

The exact reason many Americans like them - light and easily conceilable - are the exact reasons other countries restrict them so much.

 

[SLY]

I rarely carry now. I always carried when I managed my stepfathers bar. Leaving at 2-3am with a shit ton of money in a bag. Had reveal it once, but not pull it out.

 

[forty_three]

I used to know a few assholes who seemed to only carry theirs in the hopes of inserting themselves into situations where they have a higher than normal chance of using them.

Jag offs like that are what give the honest a bad rap.

Yeah, nothing worse than some retard with a hero fantasy making shit up or making things worse.

 

[SLY]

 

[BF4L]

You're alright.

Assuming you are telling the truth (granted, hard to believe of a Bruins fan but bear with me), you asked him to stop essentially assaulting a woman. When he then attempted to assault you, you defended yourself. You didn't shoot him. You didn't escalate the situation - you said yourself he was drawing first - and you saved a woman from a situation which likely ranged somewhere between domestic abuse to potential murder.

We've had some arguments on SportsHoopla about gun control and whatnot. To be honest, I don't like it when people carry, for the most part. I feel most people simply don't need the firepower. But if you are going to carry, you need to be responsible about it, and from what you said it sounds like you were. As for you feeling torn up by what-ifs, good. I hope you continue to ask yourself those types of questions. Because the people who give a fuck about what happens when they pull the trigger are the ones I don't mind having guns. It's the morons who don't think about consequences and obligations that shouldn't be able to get a license.

And finally, here's one more what-if for you. What if you had just walked away and the guy killed her? How would you have felt then?



I do have a question though. What happened once the cops arrived? I assumed they asked you to lower your weapon and you complied and then they cuffed you and the other guy? I've always wondered how that goes down.

Telling the truth? Really?

I was on the phone w/police dispatcher while the cruisers were on the way. I told her to please verify to the officers that the guy holding the gun is not the aggressor. She did and I heard her do it on the radio. They arrived in swarms and first one came toward me gun drawn but not pointing at me but at the guy on the ground. Once he got there he directed me to put my weapon down. I complied immediately. He cuffed the guy on the ground first and another cop explained he was going to handcuff me for my and his protection. I did not object. A few questioned me and a few questioned him and his GF/Wife. Not long after the State Police arrived and sort of did the same thing and questioned everyone. I was removed from the police vehicle and uncuffed. Told I would get a summon to court and to sign a statement. My gun was unloaded and handed back to me as I was getting ready to leave.

All in all a very scary experience and not one I would recommend. Someone asked if I considered shooting him in the kneecap. No I did not. If he continued to come at me with that knife after my last warning I would have put 2 in center mass. I am very thankful I did not have to do that. As much as I would have been justified to do so ending someone's life is not on my "to do list"

 

[dare2be]

I am not 100% sure if what I did was right or not to be honest. Should I have just ignored it and gone on my way? Should I have just called 911 and waited 8 mins for a LE to show up?

In any case I am fairly freaked out. I have the training and used it tonight. Now I am confronted with the after results. the what if's per say.

I myself probably would have called 911 first, and then only confronted the man if it appeared that her life was in immediate danger. Perhaps it already was, in which case you did the right thing getting involved right away.

I cant really express it much better. Scary night and worse off I did not get to shoot with my buddies and get hammered after..lol

Better than getting hammered first and then going to shoot with your buddies.

But if you are going to carry, you need to be responsible about it, and from what you said it sounds like you were. As for you feeling torn up by what-ifs, good. I hope you continue to ask yourself those types of questions. Because the people who give a fuck about what happens when they pull the trigger are the ones I don't mind having guns. It's the morons who don't think about consequences and obligations that shouldn't be able to get a license.

Exactly. I'm a staunch 2nd amendment advocate. But with any right comes responsibility, and just as much as I hate irrational over-reaching gun-control legislation, I equally hate advocating for wide-open access for all or resistance to common sense restrictions. Owning and operating a firearm should have mandated safety and operation training in order to get a license, which should include real-life scenarios on how the person would respond to high-pressure situations like the one you experienced. BTW, you passed with flying colo(u)rs Kudos.

Lastly, there should be stiffer penalties for gun misuse, whether deliberate, or accidental. IE., if someone's kid gets hold of their parent's gun and accidentally kills themselves or someone else, the owner of said gun should get a 2nd degree murder charge at the minimum.

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

It has been a long day/night for me.

I will try and relay this as accurately as I can and not leave anything out.

I was heading out to my normal Thursday Pistol shoot which generally involves about 15-25 friends and we compete against each other. I stopped at a local store to grab a big bottle of water and as I exited my vehicle I can hear a women and a man screaming at each other.

I kind of slow down and take a good look at whats going on and it is obvious to me that he is intoxicated and she is pissed. The argument continues and I walked into the store choosing to MMOB.

As I come out he has her against the car with one had to her neck and one on her chest and she cannot possibly escape. Me being me cannot just sit by idle and not try and defuse this situation. So I yell and I paraphrase "Hey man let her go nothing good will come of this" He complies very quickly and now has a new target for his aggression and its me. He advances on me and asks why I think I need to butt into his business and I back away further to not let the distance get to close. He continues to semi berate me and call me names and I just shut my mouth and ask him to calm down...(honestly I figured the cops must be on the way cause someone must have called them already) but he continues to advance. I then stop and tell him not to advance on me anymore or he will be very sorry. He reaches into his front pocket (while looking down) and pulls out a knife of some sort...Well while he was looking down I was drawing my weapon and making sure I was going to not die tonight.

He looks up and starts to say something like how bout this tough guy and then see's that he has brought a knife to a gun fight and will certainly lose. He begins to back off and start yelling at his GF/Wife and calling me names. I state very frankly to get on the ground and shut your fucking piehole which to his credit he agrees..not like he had much of a choice. I dial the local police from my cell and tell them I have a man held at gunpoint.

In about 8 mins it is like WW3 and there is a million cruisers and I am in handcuffs. Once the State Police showed up they questioned me and got a statement from me and ordered my release. I also got my gun back.

Some of the other threads have some banter going back and forth but this shit just happened tonight.

I am not 100% sure if what I did was right or not to be honest. Should I have just ignored it and gone on my way? Should I have just called 911 and waited 8 mins for a LE to show up?

Honestly folks as a card carrying NRA member and a person who carries a weapon most of the time I am a bit setback about it. I keep thinking about if the guy kept advancing on me and I had to drop him what would happen to me and my family. Would I be in jail? Would I have been considered the aggressor ?

In any case I am fairly freaked out. I have the training and used it tonight. Now I am confronted with the after results. the what if's per say.

You're alright.

Assuming you are telling the truth (granted, hard to believe of a Bruins fan but bear with me), you asked him to stop essentially assaulting a woman. When he then attempted to assault you, you defended yourself. You didn't shoot him. You didn't escalate the situation - you said yourself he was drawing first - and you saved a woman from a situation which likely ranged somewhere between domestic abuse to potential murder.

We've had some arguments on SportsHoopla about gun control and whatnot. To be honest, I don't like it when people carry, for the most part. I feel most people simply don't need the firepower. But if you are going to carry, you need to be responsible about it, and from what you said it sounds like you were. As for you feeling torn up by what-ifs, good. I hope you continue to ask yourself those types of questions. Because the people who give a fuck about what happens when they pull the trigger are the ones I don't mind having guns. It's the morons who don't think about consequences and obligations that shouldn't be able to get a license.

And finally, here's one more what-if for you. What if you had just walked away and the guy killed her? How would you have felt then?



I do have a question though. What happened once the cops arrived? I assumed they asked you to lower your weapon and you complied and then they cuffed you and the other guy? I've always wondered how that goes down.

Vadered said it all better than I ever could. Reps to you both. Glad you're safe, bro.

 

[awaz]

You can control a room with a handgun.

if 5 grown men run at you and you have a 1911, you're probably not going to win.

i'm talking well populated room, like a bank or school, or movie theatre.

 

[Vadered]

Telling the truth? Really?

It was a joooooooooooooooooooooooooke. You didn't see the Bruins crack right after it? I figured you were still a bit stressed and wanted to lighten the mood a bit.

 

[Eddie_Shack]

But I like to argue. If you want to control a room against someone with a gun, take up Krav Maga. You will never stop guns and crime from mixing no matter what bans you place on firearms.

No you don't.

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

No you don't.

You and I would have drawn a baseball bat from our shoulder hoster but the effect would have been the same.

 

[Eddie_Shack]

Nobody fucks with The Bash Brothers.

 

[SuperFlyer13]

if 5 grown men run at you and you have a 1911, you're probably not going to win.

i'm talking well populated room, like a bank or school, or movie theatre.

Yea but who draws straws to be the lucky one to or 2 to take a bullet?:ss:

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

Nobody fucks with The Bash Brothers.

 

[Eddie_Shack]

Yea but who draws straws to be the lucky one to or 2 to take a bullet?:ss:

You know the old saying, "Women and children first"...

:ss:

 

[mattola]

You know the old saying, "Women and children first"...

:ss:

 

[Eddie_Shack]

Dude, I just laughed so hard I snorted... good pull matty.