Goldy to St. Louis

[Myles]

Here is the issue I have with this for the Diamondbacks. From 538:

"Kelly and Weaver immediately fill needs on the major league roster. They are not prospects that are years away from the majors, though they also lack star-level upside."

The have lot of control over guys that fill the back end of a competing roster. The notion here is that the Diamondbacks aren't going into rebuild but merely taking a year off but in making this move they gave away their star player. So in order for the Dbacks to win the trade, they need to invest their money in star players in the future.

If its a full-on rebuild, the guys they chose dont have a high enough upside. Stat nerds would say that if you're getting rid of someone like Goldy then you need to do a deep rebuild for two or three years. Cardinals have been bucking the trend because they're in a fairly unique situation in sports where they basically have a market to themselves and actually have incentive to compete every year.

Good points, but if Arizona really felt like they would lose him after this season, They did what they had to do. They were not going to get high level talent back on a one year deal.

 

[Myles]

I wouldn't be shocked if Matt Carpenter ends up in the AL somewhere. He has been one of my favorite players but the biggest issue with the Cardinals roster right now is defense. I guess it depends on what his trade value is at this point but the Goldy move means the Cardinals probably have another trade in them.

Moving Carp would make the Goldy trade nearly meaningless. I think the idea is to put both MVP candidates together for a run.

 

[The Q]

Here is the issue I have with this for the Diamondbacks. From 538:

"Kelly and Weaver immediately fill needs on the major league roster. They are not prospects that are years away from the majors, though they also lack star-level upside."

The have lot of control over guys that fill the back end of a competing roster. The notion here is that the Diamondbacks aren't going into rebuild but merely taking a year off but in making this move they gave away their star player. So in order for the Dbacks to win the trade, they need to invest their money in star players in the future.

If its a full-on rebuild, the guys they chose dont have a high enough upside. Stat nerds would say that if you're getting rid of someone like Goldy then you need to do a deep rebuild for two or three years. Cardinals have been bucking the trend because they're in a fairly unique situation in sports where they basically have a market to themselves and actually have incentive to compete every year.

It’s interesting cause both had previously had that upside.

I like weaver his metrics were really intriguing.

But yeha they’re not super premium prospects.
But the Market for 1b is not strong right now either.

Plus this gives them a home for lamb and Escobar

 

[The Q]

Moving Carp would make the Goldy trade nearly meaningless. I think the idea is to put both MVP candidates together for a run.

It would obviously depend on the return.

But likely correct

 

[Clayton]

Moving Carp would make the Goldy trade nearly meaningless. I think the idea is to put both MVP candidates together for a run.

Maybe but Carp was really streaky last season and its questionable that he'll hold up at 3rd.

I would certainly like to see them make it work but the Cardinals have another trade in them whether its Carpenter or someone else.

 

[scoutyjones2]

I wouldn't be shocked if Matt Carpenter ends up in the AL somewhere. He has been one of my favorite players but the biggest issue with the Cardinals roster right now is defense. I guess it depends on what his trade value is at this point but the Goldy move means the Cardinals probably have another trade in them.

MCarp trade would weaken what they just built upon. No one on the team can leadoff other than MCarp. Dudes like having another Golschmidt! If they trade, get rid of the box of chocolates known as Kolten Wong. And Gyorko too...

 

[Clayton]

MCarp trade would weaken what they just built upon. No one on the team can leadoff other than MCarp. Dudes like having another Golschmidt! If they trade, get rid of the box of chocolates known as Kolten Wong. And Gyorko too...

Yeah, you guys are probably right but we're all going to be complaining about Carp at 3rd all year. At the end of the day he has been one of the best Cardinals for years now so in a way its his team. AL rosters are so much easier to make.

0% chance they trade Wong, though.

 

[The Q]

Most interesting part of the deal is that StL really didn't need Goldy, but seemed to think the price was too good and they couldn't get other positions filled that they needed.

Time to trade Jose Martinez.

 

[Eugene Baker III]

I never would have thunk it...

Like Padres if they had traded Tony Gwynn, Sr. away....isn't it?

 

[jwolt92]

I never would have thunk it...

Like Padres if they had traded Tony Gwynn, Sr. away....isn't it?

I feel like you're reaching... just a bit..

 

[Eugene Baker III]

I feel like you're reaching... just a bit..

So who would be Mr. Diamondback?

 

[Tidergirl]

Hi fellas. Not sure if I'm suppose to I introduce e myself if I come from a different forum. Rivals rift raft here. I'm not the kind of rift raft you throw away.. I'm more like the cute dog that shows up and never leaves. If that intro wasnt needed my apologies. With the way the cards played after the turnover b/4 the break and w/ this addition. Stl fans have something to look towards to. Btw fuck the cubs....

 

[steelerssb]

Luke Weaver is trash

 

[steelerssb]

Hi fellas. Not sure if I'm suppose to I introduce e myself if I come from a different forum. Rivals rift raft here. I'm not the kind of rift raft you throw away.. I'm more like the cute dog that shows up and never leaves. If that intro wasnt needed my apologies. With the way the cards played after the turnover b/4 the break and w/ this addition. Stl fans have something to look towards to. Btw fuck the cubs....

Tits or gtfo

 

[Tidergirl]

Tits or gtfo

Damn it they do that here as well, I like you guys already. I gonna play dumb. I have a new phone and haven't figured out how to post pics. Tell ya what, next time I love in from pc I shall post tits. Can a newb get a break, just small IOU this once.

 

[steelerssb]

Damn it they do that here as well, I like you guys already. I gonna play dumb. I have a new phone and haven't figured out how to post pics. Tell ya what, next time I love in from pc I shall post tits. Can a newb get a break, just small IOU this once.

I like this plorster already

 

[tabascojet]

I like this plorster already

"she said she was going to send pics" - @steelerssb

 

[steelerssb]

"she said she was going to send pics" - @steelerssb

 

[Tidergirl]

"she said she was going to send pics" - @steelerssb

Just send him the pics I sent you.

 

[Tidergirl]

I like this plorster already

Please forgive ignorance, with your mizzou sig I don't make assumptions, are you a cards fan?