Series Thread: Golden State Warriors vs. Cleveland Cavaliers NBA Finals Thread

[Flauge]

Won't happen. Lebron posted better stats than Kawhi Leonard last season, and Kawhi still got the MVP. Curry will get his which will earn him the MVP.

yea, youre probably right.. but that guy dropped 40+ last night. Can you imagine if he averaged that? 44 points a game and got beat 4-1? I mean damn.

 

[trojanfan12]

He is great and will be known for being talented and great but he will not be a Legend with another loss. Legend is MJ, magic, Bird, Kobe and so on and so on. U need to understand the difference in sports of Great and Legend. He will be in the Top 10 because of his stats but with another loss he wont be a legend he will never make the top 5. D. Jeter is a legend. Was he the best SS of all time No but the guy will always be known as a Legend.

in my opinion Legend and Great are different. I might be wrong but this is how I think. I can separate the 2.

Obviously, he still has a ways to go in his career, so things can change. But as of right now, he projects to be the Peyton Manning of the NBA.

 

[LAD]

I dont mind missed shots. They are always part of an offense even if sometimes bad shots.
Turnover and offensive fouls are the true indicators of bad play. Those don't even get shots in the air.

In regulation: Dude went for 42 (efficient points), 6 assists, and only 1 turnover

That doesnt happen everyday for most NBA games.
Heck it doesnt happen that often for even elite players like LEBRON.

Yes, he finally collapsed and got tired in overtime.
But, they dont get to overtime without his (A+) game in regulation.

Excellent points...but at the end of the day 1 elite, great player isn't going to win more than a couple of games by himself against a group that plays COLLECTIVELY as a team. It's just not gonna happen and last night proved that. How disciplined as a coach and as players do you have to be to not double or triple LBJ while he's going off and just weather that storm? That tells us that this team really buys into Kerr's game plan and again it's proved to be the right plan.

 

[purguy12]

Yeah it seems like they have the athletes to play Hoiberg's style. If Rose can just be somewhat durable, they're going to be a title contender each year.

It seems like Thibs was a good coach but might be best used as an assistant.

yeah I agree or for a young team to prep them for winning like he did for the Bulls. I thought he would of been a good Fit with NO or Orlando team.

 

[69er]

For probably 80% of the game, I thought Cleveland was going to win. I'll bet a lot of you unbiased watchers thought so too. Golden State pulled it out in the end, but I think they were lucky to escape with the win. This series could have been real interesting with Irving near 90% or so, but with him hurt I do think that Golden State will go on and win this thing. Golden State is a good team, but they have been very fortunate and somewhat lucky this postseason both on the injury front and the competition front (no San Antonio or Clippers to beat). This is probably Golden State's year.

On the injury front? Yes, very lucky. But GS being down early by a lot is nothing new for this team. There were thisclose to coming back against the Rockets after giving up 45 in the first qtr. Its not just this year, its been this way for awhile. You have to be agreesive at all times vs GS because they can score and make stops like its nothing.

But after being so unlucky for forever, and having injuries plague this recent group, its about time this team was healthy once and for all. And it helps being a "soft" team lol

 

[purguy12]

Obviously, he still has a ways to go in his career, so things can change. But as of right now, he projects to be the Peyton Manning if the NBA.

I agree things can change but he really would have to win 3 in a row if he loses this one. I like the Comparison. I think I mention that earlier. Manning is Great and an All time great but he isnt a Legend yet.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

...you do realize Kevin Love didn't have durability issues and his shoulder injury was a freak injury that was the result of a dirty play, right?

Like I said, when the Cavs are fully healthy, they proved to be better. When they had 2/3 of the Big 3 available on the road at GS, they did everything but win and should've won in regulation. Say what you want, but the Cavs were the better team in regulation. Even the non-biased folks are saying Golden State was fortunate that game went to OT.

Try googling "Kevin Love injury prone"...

“I think Kevin, his offensive skills got better than I think we estimated. The only thing that I still have a question mark about will be his health. I had that concern then, I still have that concern and I think Cleveland should have that concern, too,” Taylor said. “If they sign him to a five-year contract like they’re thinking about, I mean that’s a big contract in a guy that’s had sometimes where he’s missed games.”

And dirty play my ass. You guys have every excuse/reason.
So....Delly just hustles (and I don't think he is a dirty player) which results in recklessness (which he is), but if an opposing player does basically the exact same thing it's dirty?


And doing everything but winning means losing.

You guys can spend the summer telling us and each other of how great you should have been, while watching the Warriors parade on TV.

 

[69er]

...you do realize Kevin Love didn't have durability issues and his shoulder injury was a freak injury that was the result of a dirty play, right?

Like I said, when the Cavs are fully healthy, they proved to be better. When they had 2/3 of the Big 3 available on the road at GS, they did everything but win and should've won in regulation. Say what you want, but the Cavs were the better team in regulation. Even the non-biased folks are saying Golden State was fortunate that game went to OT.

And anyone who watched GS could tell you they didnt play at their best. Non-biased folks will tell you Cavs are lucky GS started slow

 

[LAD]

Well, the only time this current Cavs team played GS at full strength this year the Cavs won by double digits.

Last night, without Love at all and with Kyrie still being bothered by tendonitis, we controlled the game in regulation and were about an inch away on Shump's shot from winning on the road at the toughest place to play in the NBA, so it's a pretty easy conclusion to come to when you look at the play on the court.

Oh so now what happened in the reg season counts?? Too funny...

 

[purguy12]

Excellent points...but at the end of the day 1 elite, great player isn't going to win more than a couple of games by himself against a group that plays COLLECTIVELY as a team. It's just not gonna happen and last night proved that. How disciplined as a coach and as players do you have to be to not double or triple LBJ while he's going off and just weather that storm? That tells us that this team really buys into Kerr's game plan and again it's proved to be the right plan.

yes last night showed they might have an heart of a champion. They came back and they hung in there even though they weren't playing great and they lasted and won. Last night was a win for them. Un experience team going against LBJ and they came out with the win. LBj misses that shot and u saw in OT they kicked started that OT and they found their confidence.

 

[purguy12]

When we had Love, we won by double digits against GS, so I don't think that part makes much sense.

It's also not like he's a slouch on the boards; he averaged double digits for the season. Plus, getting 2 points from Thompson hurts a LOT more when you don't have Love there helping pick up the post scoring slack. Also, being able to rest Thompson from time to time helps a lot towards the end of the game. It isn't like Love's D really matters much in this series; the Warriors don't rely on post scoring. It's never a bad thing to have a guy like Love that can be a part of your rotation, especially against a team like GS.

u are talking about a regular season game. that means crap. Man My Bulls would beat LBJ in the regular season all the time and then come playoff time we would lose. U cant go by the regular season.

 

[Across The Field]

Try googling "Kevin Love injury prone"...

“I think Kevin, his offensive skills got better than I think we estimated. The only thing that I still have a question mark about will be his health. I had that concern then, I still have that concern and I think Cleveland should have that concern, too,” Taylor said. “If they sign him to a five-year contract like they’re thinking about, I mean that’s a big contract in a guy that’s had sometimes where he’s missed games.”

And dirty play my ass. You guys have every excuse/reason.
So....Delly just hustles (and I don't think he is a dirty player) which results in recklessness (which he is), but if an opposing player does basically the exact same thing it's dirty?


And doing everything but winning means losing.

You guys can spend the summer telling us and each other of how great you should have been, while watching the Warriors parade on TV.

Wow, damn you're sour still.

Love was fine this year for Cleveland, I meant. He was full-go and playing at full health against Boston, and if you're watching that play and think what Olynyk did was a "basketball move", I'd need an explanation for what part of the game involvs clenching onto someone's arm and torquing it as hard as you can. Love himself even said it was intentional and he was right there, so...

At any rate, I've made my point. When fully healthy, we were better. When we were at 2/3 strength with Kyrie still dealing with a knee injury, we were at the very least just as good and that was on the road. You can't argue with that so I guess this conversation is done.

 

[LAD]

Golden State almost ALWAYS starts out slow, missing shots early. I don't have enough fingers on both hands to count how many games they've won after being down by doublt digits. That's why people who watch them know no lead is ever safe against them.

Also, did what they've done all season and in the post-season. In the last 5 minutes of the game they took over. They didn't panic they played their style of basketball and got some-what aggressive on the boards and snatched that win from the Cavs. As soon as reg was over I knew they were going to win....not many teams can keep up with the Dubs. LBJ & his team mates better eat their wheaties Sunday prior to suiting up!

 

[69er]

I agree things can change but he really would have to win 3 in a row if he loses this one. I like the Comparison. I think I mention that earlier. Manning is Great and an All time great but he isnt a Legend yet.

Of course Peyton is a legend. A choke artist but you cant ignore the fact hes a badass and definitely one of the GOATs. But I dont like the comparisons. LeBrons a freak of nature, Peyton obviously is not. But, fuck LeBron. Could you imagine if Peyton got away with the busshit Lebron gets away with?

And anyone thinking Im only hating on LeBaldo now, no, I hate the fuckin superstar calls in this league. Fuckin hate it

 

[purguy12]

yea, youre probably right.. but that guy dropped 40+ last night. Can you imagine if he averaged that? 44 points a game and got beat 4-1? I mean damn.

I do want to point out he did shoot the ball 38 times. 44pts on 38 shots isn't great. Don't get me wrong he did carry them but overall if you really look at the numbers its not as great as people think. 2-8 from 3, 0-5 in OT, 6-10 from the line. -3 in the game.

Just things to look at.

 

[69er]

Golden State almost ALWAYS starts out slow, missing shots early. I don't have enough fingers on both hands to count how many games they've won after being down by doublt digits. That's why people who watch them know no lead is ever safe against them.

Also, did what they've done all season and in the post-season. In the last 5 minutes of the game they took over. They didn't panic they played their style of basketball and got some-what aggressive on the boards and snatched that win from the Cavs. As soon as reg was over I knew they were going to win....not many teams can keep up with the Dubs. LBJ & his team mates better eat their wheaties Sunday prior to suiting up!

Yup, even with Mark Jackass, Dubs come back like its nothing. Biggest difference bet him and Kerr is they know how to finish games now. The only brainfart loss they had this season to end the game was against the Bulls and that was Currys fault lol

 

[purguy12]

Of course Peyton is a legend. A choke artist but you cant ignore the fact hes a badass and definitely one of the GOATs. But I dont like the comparisons. LeBrons a freak of nature, Peyton obviously is not. But, fuck LeBron. Could you imagine if Peyton got away with the busshit Lebron gets away with?

And anyone thinking Im only hating on LeBaldo now, no, I hate the fuckin superstar calls in this league. Fuckin hate it

I wont say Payton is GOAT. He is an All time great but not at that next level of legend talk. Tough to be that when u have a guy like Tom Brady winning and doing what he is doing(deflatgate was a joke and if anything was a disadvantage).

 

[Across The Field]

And anyone who watched GS could tell you they didnt play at their best. Non-biased folks will tell you Cavs are lucky GS started slow

They didn't play their best? It isn't like they were just missing wide-open shots. Cleveland played an amazing game against them, all things considered.

Oh so now what happened in the reg season counts?? Too funny...

What else is there to go off of at this point?

u are talking about a regular season game. that means crap. Man My Bulls would beat LBJ in the regular season all the time and then come playoff time we would lose. U cant go by the regular season.

At this point, it's all we have to go off. Oddly enough, they played almost the same game last night against Cleveland as they did in their previous game in the regular season (scored 99 in the reg season in regulation, scored 98 last night). The only problem is Cleveland was full strength then and won by double digits while last night we weren't and let the game slip away.

 

[LAD]

Yup, even with Mark Jackass, Dubs come back like its nothing. Biggest difference bet him and Kerr is they know how to finish games now. The only brainfart loss they had this season to end the game was against the Bulls and that was Currys fault lol

Yep. Do you remember a couple of seasons ago they got bounced out of the playoffs by SA? They literally gave away 2 games in the end with their mental mistakes. It was hard to watch. Now, clearly they've learned from those mistakes and have gotten a lot better at closing games & getting it done.

 

[trojanfan12]

Lebron played a great game, but he had to take 38 shots to get his 44 points, plus everything else he had to do. The recipe for GSW is letting Lebron get his points, but making him take a lot of shots to get them. Last night his line was 44 points on 18-38, 6-10 from the line, 6 assists and 8 rebounds (0 offensive rebounds). I'd expect that GSW will take that stat line every game and be happy. It means that he's not getting much help.

It's when he gets those 44 points on 30-32 shots, 15 free throws has 8+ assists and 8-10 rebounds with at least a couple of them being offensive rebounds that GSW will be in trouble.