Giants trade Jonathan Sanchez to Royals

[calsnowskier]

I know the general reaction, just curious about your personal one.

I meant that figuratively as my reaction.

 

[msgkings322]

I meant that figuratively as my reaction.

Makes sense. I pretty much feel the same way. I even gotta give 'spect to Rowand. He's a 2010er too.

 

[calsnowskier]

Makes sense. I pretty much feel the same way. I even gotta give 'spect to Rowand. He's a 2010er too.

I am not sure how I will respond to RoRo. He was such a d-bag this past year and was more of a detractor than an asset in '10.

It is still not definite that he will ever wear another uni anyway, so we may not have to make that decision.

 

[SFGRTB]

My prediction is similar to Baggs:

Re-sign Beltran, Stamos at short, sign Kenshin Kawakami.

CF-Melky
2B-Sanchez
C-Posey
LF-Beltran
3B-Sandoval
1B-Huff
RF-Schierholtz
SS-Crawford

Sewart/Belt/Ford/Fonty/Pill(or Burriss)

Lincecum/Cain/Bumgarner/Volgelsong/Zito(Kawakami)
Wilson/Romo/Lopez/Affeldt/Casilla/RamRam/(Kawakami)

 

[msgkings322]

I am not sure how I will respond to RoRo. He was such a d-bag this past year and was more of a detractor than an asset in '10.

It is still not definite that he will ever wear another uni anyway, so we may not have to make that decision.

He'll get invited to ST somewhere I'm sure. Be a super cheap 4th OF on many teams.

 

[ColinCoby]

Great thread guys. Rep all around.

Carry on...

 

[calsnowskier]

He'll get invited to ST somewhere I'm sure. Be a super cheap 4th OF on many teams.

Gawd, this post pissed me off something fierce...

 

[ColinCoby]

More opinions on the trade:

Bowden: This was a pure baseball trade; a deal that helped both ball clubs financially and plugged some gaping holes by taking moderate risks on two players who still have some upside. Both players are arbitration-eligible and can be free agents after the 2012 season.

The Giants get an upgrade in center after cutting loose Aaron Rowand and coming to grips with Andres Torres' 2010 season as a fluke. For the Giants, it was about the options available and what they could get for Sanchez. It is disappointing an arm like Sanchez did not fetch more value, whether that meant an outfielder with more ceiling or more club control, in terms of contracts. B.J. Upton and Denard Span -- two of the most coveted outfield trade prospects --were perhaps out of range for Giants GM Brian Sabean.


Keith Law: For the Giants, this makes little to no sense, and closer to the latter. Cabrera is a below-average defender in center who partially makes up for the lack of range with a strong arm, but AT&T Park is one of the least forgiving center-field spots in the game. The Giants already made this mistake once by signing Aaron Rowand -- who was nothing special in a smaller center field in Philly -- to man center for them and seemed to grasp the magnitude of the problem when they took speedy Gary Brown in the first round of the 2010 draft. Cabrera is just a one-year stopgap until Brown is ready (they hope), but when I call Cabrera a fourth outfielder, that doesn't mean the Giants get to play three others alongside him to make up for all the balls he won't catch. The trade also leaves the Giants with either soft-tossing Eric Surkamp or softer-tossing Barry Zito as their fifth starter, neither of whom should get Giants fans excited, even with Sanchez's maddening inconsistency.

 

[SFGRTB]

More opinions on the trade:

Bowden: This was a pure baseball trade; a deal that helped both ball clubs financially and plugged some gaping holes by taking moderate risks on two players who still have some upside. Both players are arbitration-eligible and can be free agents after the 2012 season.

The Giants get an upgrade in center after cutting loose Aaron Rowand and coming to grips with Andres Torres' 2010 season as a fluke. For the Giants, it was about the options available and what they could get for Sanchez. It is disappointing an arm like Sanchez did not fetch more value, whether that meant an outfielder with more ceiling or more club control, in terms of contracts. B.J. Upton and Denard Span -- two of the most coveted outfield trade prospects --were perhaps out of range for Giants GM Brian Sabean.


Keith Law: For the Giants, this makes little to no sense, and closer to the latter. Cabrera is a below-average defender in center who partially makes up for the lack of range with a strong arm, but AT&T Park is one of the least forgiving center-field spots in the game. The Giants already made this mistake once by signing Aaron Rowand -- who was nothing special in a smaller center field in Philly -- to man center for them and seemed to grasp the magnitude of the problem when they took speedy Gary Brown in the first round of the 2010 draft. Cabrera is just a one-year stopgap until Brown is ready (they hope), but when I call Cabrera a fourth outfielder, that doesn't mean the Giants get to play three others alongside him to make up for all the balls he won't catch. The trade also leaves the Giants with either soft-tossing Eric Surkamp or softer-tossing Barry Zito as their fifth starter, neither of whom should get Giants fans excited, even with Sanchez's maddening inconsistency.

Fucking K-Law always hates on everything the Giants do. Hates Sabean too, here's a quote from Law:

1. Yuniesky Betancourt, SS: Yuni went from the tougher league to the easier one ... and saw his OBP and slugging both drop. His 2011 OBP after we take out the three intentional walks -- and really, if the guy on deck is still breathing, there is no justification for walking Betancourt -- was .267. That's 11 outs in every 15 trips to the plate. And he's a below-average fielder. I can see the San Francisco Giants giving him three years.

2011 MLB free agency - Jose Reyes and Jimmy Rollins are the top middle infielders available - ESPN

Assface

 

[calsnowskier]

More opinions on the trade:

Bowden: This was a pure baseball trade; a deal that helped both ball clubs financially and plugged some gaping holes by taking moderate risks on two players who still have some upside. Both players are arbitration-eligible and can be free agents after the 2012 season.

The Giants get an upgrade in center after cutting loose Aaron Rowand and coming to grips with Andres Torres' 2010 season as a fluke. For the Giants, it was about the options available and what they could get for Sanchez. It is disappointing an arm like Sanchez did not fetch more value, whether that meant an outfielder with more ceiling or more club control, in terms of contracts. B.J. Upton and Denard Span -- two of the most coveted outfield trade prospects --were perhaps out of range for Giants GM Brian Sabean.


Keith Law: For the Giants, this makes little to no sense, and closer to the latter. Cabrera is a below-average defender in center who partially makes up for the lack of range with a strong arm, but AT&T Park is one of the least forgiving center-field spots in the game. The Giants already made this mistake once by signing Aaron Rowand -- who was nothing special in a smaller center field in Philly -- to man center for them and seemed to grasp the magnitude of the problem when they took speedy Gary Brown in the first round of the 2010 draft. Cabrera is just a one-year stopgap until Brown is ready (they hope), but when I call Cabrera a fourth outfielder, that doesn't mean the Giants get to play three others alongside him to make up for all the balls he won't catch. The trade also leaves the Giants with either soft-tossing Eric Surkamp or softer-tossing Barry Zito as their fifth starter, neither of whom should get Giants fans excited, even with Sanchez's maddening inconsistency.

Not that I necessarily disagree with Law, but the next time he something positive about the giants will be his first. I tend to completely disregard people with tha sort of track record, regardless of the validity of the specific statement.

 

[tzill]

More opinions on the trade:

Bowden: This was a pure baseball trade; a deal that helped both ball clubs financially and plugged some gaping holes by taking moderate risks on two players who still have some upside. Both players are arbitration-eligible and can be free agents after the 2012 season.

The Giants get an upgrade in center after cutting loose Aaron Rowand and coming to grips with Andres Torres' 2010 season as a fluke. For the Giants, it was about the options available and what they could get for Sanchez. It is disappointing an arm like Sanchez did not fetch more value, whether that meant an outfielder with more ceiling or more club control, in terms of contracts. B.J. Upton and Denard Span -- two of the most coveted outfield trade prospects --were perhaps out of range for Giants GM Brian Sabean.


Keith Law: For the Giants, this makes little to no sense, and closer to the latter. Cabrera is a below-average defender in center who partially makes up for the lack of range with a strong arm, but AT&T Park is one of the least forgiving center-field spots in the game. The Giants already made this mistake once by signing Aaron Rowand -- who was nothing special in a smaller center field in Philly -- to man center for them and seemed to grasp the magnitude of the problem when they took speedy Gary Brown in the first round of the 2010 draft. Cabrera is just a one-year stopgap until Brown is ready (they hope), but when I call Cabrera a fourth outfielder, that doesn't mean the Giants get to play three others alongside him to make up for all the balls he won't catch. The trade also leaves the Giants with either soft-tossing Eric Surkamp or softer-tossing Barry Zito as their fifth starter, neither of whom should get Giants fans excited, even with Sanchez's maddening inconsistency.

Law again declares his idiocy....RoRo played just FINE in CF and was a plus defender. His problem wasn't on defense. Melky won't be as good as RoRo, but he'll be fine with Beltran and Nate flanking him.

 

[CameronFrye]

Law again declares his idiocy....RoRo played just FINE in CF and was a plus defender. His problem wasn't on defense. Melky won't be as good as RoRo, but he'll be fine with Beltran and Nate flanking him.

Two things: First, Rowand has ALWAYS been a shitty CF. His speed made up for his poor routes to the ball and as he got older, that advantage was lessened. Rowand took crappy routes to balls more often than any OF I have ever seen. On the plus side, he did have a tremendous glove. If he got close enough to catch it, it almost always was caught. I just hated to see him constantly break in when even a 10-year-old could see that he should have broken back.

Second, I agree with the part about Nate, but Beltran is bone-on-bone in his knees. That dude can seriously hit but will never be anything more than an average at best defender again. He's going to make 2007 Bonds look like 1951 Willie Mays by the time he's done playing.

 

[msgkings322]

Gawd, this post pissed me off something fierce...

Sorry, reality bites.

 

[msgkings322]

Not that I necessarily disagree with Law, but the next time he something positive about the giants will be his first. I tend to completely disregard people with tha sort of track record, regardless of the validity of the specific statement.

Exactly, a stopped clock tells you nothing useful except 2 minutes a day.

Wonder why he hates on em so much.

 

[msgkings322]

Law again declares his idiocy....RoRo played just FINE in CF and was a plus defender. His problem wasn't on defense. Melky won't be as good as RoRo, but he'll be fine with Beltran and Nate flanking him.

Let's not jinx these chickens before they hatch...

 

[msgkings322]

Two things: First, Rowand has ALWAYS been a shitty CF. His speed made up for his poor routes to the ball and as he got older, that advantage was lessened. Rowand took crappy routes to balls more often than any OF I have ever seen. On the plus side, he did have a tremendous glove. If he got close enough to catch it, it almost always was caught. I just hated to see him constantly break in when even a 10-year-old could see that he should have broken back.

Second, I agree with the part about Nate, but Beltran is bone-on-bone in his knees. That dude can seriously hit but will never be anything more than an average at best defender again. He's going to make 2007 Bonds look like 1951 Willie Mays by the time he's done playing.

This is a fact...even if we do get him that third year of watching him hobble around LF is going to be very sad.

 

[msgkings322]

More opinions on the trade:

Bowden: This was a pure baseball trade; a deal that helped both ball clubs financially and plugged some gaping holes by taking moderate risks on two players who still have some upside. Both players are arbitration-eligible and can be free agents after the 2012 season.

The Giants get an upgrade in center after cutting loose Aaron Rowand and coming to grips with Andres Torres' 2010 season as a fluke. For the Giants, it was about the options available and what they could get for Sanchez. It is disappointing an arm like Sanchez did not fetch more value, whether that meant an outfielder with more ceiling or more club control, in terms of contracts. B.J. Upton and Denard Span -- two of the most coveted outfield trade prospects --were perhaps out of range for Giants GM Brian Sabean.


Keith Law: For the Giants, this makes little to no sense, and closer to the latter. Cabrera is a below-average defender in center who partially makes up for the lack of range with a strong arm, but AT&T Park is one of the least forgiving center-field spots in the game. The Giants already made this mistake once by signing Aaron Rowand -- who was nothing special in a smaller center field in Philly -- to man center for them and seemed to grasp the magnitude of the problem when they took speedy Gary Brown in the first round of the 2010 draft. Cabrera is just a one-year stopgap until Brown is ready (they hope), but when I call Cabrera a fourth outfielder, that doesn't mean the Giants get to play three others alongside him to make up for all the balls he won't catch. The trade also leaves the Giants with either soft-tossing Eric Surkamp or softer-tossing Barry Zito as their fifth starter, neither of whom should get Giants fans excited, even with Sanchez's maddening inconsistency.

Anyone know what an impure baseball trade looks like? Or, say, a non-baseball trade involving baseball players?

 

[TheSaboteur]

What do you guys make of this tweet?

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I would be surprised that Melky would mean no interest in Barlos Keltran.

 

[CameronFrye]

Anyone know what an impure baseball trade looks like? Or, say, a non-baseball trade involving baseball players?

LOL. I think what he meant was that the trade was made because both GMs thought it made their team better on the field. The deal was not made because one player was an impending free agent whose salary would be too high for the team to afford. I disagree that this was a pure baseball trade because it is my opinion that Cabrera is a crappy CF and the Giants don't need a slap-happy corner outfielder. This trade (again IMO) did not make the Giants better. It was made because Sabean wanted to unload Sanchez for the best possible player he could get, no matter what position that player played.

The bottom line for me is that the Giants for YEARS have been signing or trading for players to play center field when that player was obviously not fit to play that position. Benard, Shinjo, Michael FUCKING Tucker, Winn, Rowand, and now Cabrera. It is a sickness that Sabean has and I am sick and tired of watching it play out and fail time and time again.

 

[CameronFrye]

What do you guys make of this tweet?

[MEDIA=twitter]133951267159543811[/MEDIA]

I would be surprised that Melky would mean no interest in Barlos Keltran.

I think that Heyman is a mouthpiece for a few prominent agents and he "reports" whatever they tell him to. About 95% of what he says can easily be ignored.