GDT 10/28 World SERIOUS Game 4

[msgkings322]

'They said their hitting didn't show up. They were wrong. Our Pitching showed up'
- Brian Wilson

Yep. I remember gp and I discussing which team we liked better, the 2010 pitching heavy one or the more balanced 2012 model that wasn't as dominant there but could actually score some. We both kind of liked the historically good pitching of 2010, and it looks like that's the team we got in the playoffs.

In the playoffs, I can't remember a time when good pitching didn't dominate good hitting. The big hitting team (usually AL) is always expected to come in and beat up their opponent, but the better pitching team always wins. If someone can give a counter-example I'd be very interested.

In 2012 and 2010 we took out good hitting Texas and Detroit. In 2011 both WS teams were more offense minded.

 

[gp956]

And as much as we may not like how it was done, that did lead to 1 WS an 2 NLCS appearances in the next 7 years...

Bullshit - the post hoc fallacy. Dismantling the player development infrastructure wasn't a necessary failure.

I'll give him credit for saving the Giants, for acquiring Bonds, for building the ball park, and for being a stand-up guy in taking the bullet for Sabean et al, i.e. when his failed strategy left the cupboards bare. So don't misunderstand me, he did some incredible things for the team and The City, but let's not be blind to a significant error in judgement (especially one born from hubris).

 

[MarcoPolo]

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[tzill]

Bullshit - the post hoc fallacy. Dismantling the player development infrastructure wasn't a necessary failure.

I'll give him credit for saving the Giants, for acquiring Bonds, for building the ball park, and for being a stand-up guy in taking the bullet for Sabean et al, i.e. when his failed strategy left the cupboards bare. So don't misunderstand me, he did some incredible things for the team and The City, but let's not be blind to a significant error in judgement (especially one born from hubris).

This. Can't EVER give the man too much credit for that. We were fucking GONE to St. Pete. Ask Brandon Crawford.

 

[MrChangoT97]

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I'm not sure what is worse? This song, or the 4some that sung God Bless America in game 4?

 

[MarcoPolo]

This. Can't EVER give the man too much credit for that. We were fucking GONE to St. Pete. Ask Brandon Crawford.

Fallacy - Magowan didn't stop the move to Florida - the other MLB owners did that. He *did* buy the team after it was stuck in SF, however.

 

[Stokes1931]

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I hate to point out that Posey has lost a few inches off his vertical since 2010.

 

[Stokes1931]

Giants World Series Celebration in GIFs - Baseball Nation

Some nice GIFs here.

 

[gp956]

Fallacy - Magowan didn't stop the move to Florida - the other MLB owners did that. He *did* buy the team after it was stuck in SF, however.

Not a fallacy exactly. No way the owners would have blocked the move to Tampa completely had a local owner not stepped up.

 

[tzill]

Fallacy - Magowan didn't stop the move to Florida - the other MLB owners did that. He *did* buy the team after it was stuck in SF, however.

IIRC, he was an integral part with Shorenstein to keep them here.

 

[iHATEdodgers]

.188 .578
.328 .767
.364 1.098
.200 .644
.210 .521
.184 .633
.235 .751
.217 .603

That's what our lineup did in the playoffs. Kind of amazing that was enough. But clutch hitting and great defense, mixed with a pitching staff holding opponents to a .218 clip and voila World Series Champs! Again! Woot!

Edit: it is remarkable how similar the 2010 and 2012 playoff stats are. .236 .298 .674 vs .235 .297 .666

 

[tzill]

MLB finished with a combined postseason 3.05 ERA. Hitters had a combined .227 batting average, a combined .290 OBP, a combined .349 slugging percentage. The most similar individual hitter this year was Stephen Drew. Drew finished with a .223/.309/.348 line, with a .275 BABIP.

I don't think the Giants were an anomaly.

 

[msgkings322]

MLB finished with a combined postseason 3.05 ERA. Hitters had a combined .227 batting average, a combined .290 OBP, a combined .349 slugging percentage. The most similar individual hitter this year was Stephen Drew. Drew finished with a .223/.309/.348 line, with a .275 BABIP.

I don't think the Giants were an anomaly.

I'd wager you'll find similar numbers most postseasons, pitching dominating hitting. Science backing up the old saying.

A lot of the gaudy numbers hitters amass during the year are vs 3rd 4th and 5th starters, so they come into the playoffs with 40 HRs and a .900 OPS and everyone thinks they are going to go to town, but they have to face the best teams' best pitchers a lot more, and they don't do much.

 

[tzill]

I'd wager you'll find similar numbers most postseasons, pitching dominating hitting. Science backing up the old saying.

A lot of the gaudy numbers hitters amass during the year are vs 3rd 4th and 5th starters, so they come into the playoffs with 40 HRs and a .900 OPS and everyone thinks they are going to go to town, but they have to face the best teams' best pitchers a lot more, and they don't do much.

The 3.05 postseason ERA is officially the lowest league postseason ERA since 1990′s 2.84. Put another way, it’s the lowest postseason ERA in the wild-card era. Other years have come close, but just in case you’d forgotten, the combined postseason ERA in 2011 was 4.62. That was one year ago. One year ago, we saw that a team could win the World Series by slugging the crap out of the ball. This year, we saw that a team could win the World Series by not allowing runs ever. Of course, we knew that either could work. Turns out there are lots of ways to advance to and win the World Series.

 

[iHATEdodgers]

The 3.05 postseason ERA is officially the lowest league postseason ERA since 1990′s 2.84. Put another way, it’s the lowest postseason ERA in the wild-card era. Other years have come close, but just in case you’d forgotten, the combined postseason ERA in 2011 was 4.62. That was one year ago. One year ago, we saw that a team could win the World Series by slugging the crap out of the ball. This year, we saw that a team could win the World Series by not allowing runs ever. Of course, we knew that either could work. Turns out there are lots of ways to advance to and win the World Series.

I like our way. We pitched better than the norm 2.88 era and our hitters are just clutcher luckier better whateverer. Our defense is número UNO. I mean Belt gets one hit in the WS - Posey hits one out - Riot, Blanco, Crawford everyone - all when it mattered most. Amazing.

 

[msgkings322]

The 3.05 postseason ERA is officially the lowest league postseason ERA since 1990′s 2.84. Put another way, it’s the lowest postseason ERA in the wild-card era. Other years have come close, but just in case you’d forgotten, the combined postseason ERA in 2011 was 4.62. That was one year ago. One year ago, we saw that a team could win the World Series by slugging the crap out of the ball. This year, we saw that a team could win the World Series by not allowing runs ever. Of course, we knew that either could work. Turns out there are lots of ways to advance to and win the World Series.

What would have happened if our pitchers were there to tame those hitters? I still think good pitching usually dominates good hitting. Not always, usually.

 

[filosofy29]

What would have happened if our pitchers were there to tame those hitters? I still think good pitching usually dominates good hitting. Not always, usually.

In 2011??? We would have lost 4 games in a row 2-1.

 

[msgkings322]

In 2011??? We would have lost 4 games in a row 2-1.

Good point.

I meant 2012 of course.

 

[calsnowskier]

Just think what 2011 would have been like without 5/25, though...

3 straight?

 

[msgkings322]

Just think what 2011 would have been like without 5/25, though...

3 straight?

Might have been enough as we were still competitive without Buster. But we had no Belt, Hector, Melky, Pagan, Scutaro, Zito still sucked, etc...

And of course if Buster doesn't go down and we did win 2011, the 2012 team wouldn't look the same...you're changing history here!!