Game of Thrones

[juliansteed]

And reading that post back, it comes off as pretty fucking condescending. Wasn't my intent.

I just disagree with you. From a storytelling perspective, the factions NOT getting in line with Jon makes logical sense AND adds to the stakes of the eventual rising action and climax to come.

I absolutely agree that it makes logical sense and adds to the stakes that not all the houses support them. I pretty much said so in my initial post on the subject. In fact, in your intitial reply to me, I actually thought you were agreeing with me. If you think I'm saying that the Glovers not joining them is poor writing or whatever, you're definitely misunderstanding me.

 

[chf]

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not suggesting that it doesn't matter to the characters whether or not their attempt is successful. Of course it does. My point is that they don't know if it will work or not unless they try. So after trying twice and succeeding, I just found it odd that they wouldn't try a 3rd time when all else was failing. As I previously stated, I can understand why they might not have led off with it.

I don't recall anywhere in the books where any of that trio gained knowledge as to exactly which lords believed in WWs and which didn't. Perhaps it's in there, but even if it is it's only semi-relevant as the show is very different, especially when it comes to minor characters like the Glovers. And it could have added to the dramatic tension and would have been the perfect opportunity to demonstrate all that you have been saying, had they made that attempt and been denied.

Fair enough. I read the scene as 'If we open our mouths further here, there could be not just icy contempt, but maybe bloodshed.' It's difficult to keep straight who is whom as well, as they've combined some Houses, gotten rid of some Houses, and changed details.

I also read the scene with the new Lady Mormont differently too. They're not marching North after all, they're going back to liberate Winterfell. They played that card there, because of who her Grandfather was. And Jon's relationship to him.

As for opportunity for drama, absofrigginlutley. However there's just no time.

Thus we're getting a watered down unmotivated Sparrows storyline where a LOT of TV show viewers look on the High Sparrow as a villain. When in the books, he may be doomed to failure, but he's one of the few actually speaking up for the powerless.

In my ideal world, they'd have gotten 2 seasons each out of the last two books, and would have given GRRM time to get his shvt together and finish the damned books.

Oh well.

 

[chf]

I absolutely agree that it makes logical sense and adds to the stakes that not all the houses support them. I pretty much said so in my initial post on the subject. In fact, in your intitial reply to me, I actually thought you were agreeing with me. If you think I'm saying that the Glovers not joining them is poor writing or whatever, you're definitely misunderstanding me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the back and forth on the topic. Some of the posts in this thread are excellent, and make a person go 'hmmmmm...' in a good way. So if I've gotten something wrong, don't assume I'm being an a-hole, because I'm not. Although I understand my posting can come off that way.

One of the things I'm guilty of is combining the points of more than one poster into one 'side,' which I argue against. I may have done that here.

 

[juliansteed]

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the back and forth on the topic. Some of the posts in this thread are excellent, and make a person go 'hmmmmm...' in a good way. So if I've gotten something wrong, don't assume I'm being an a-hole, because I'm not. Although I understand my posting can come off that way.

One of the things I'm guilty of is combining the points of more than one poster into one 'side,' which I argue against. I may have done that here.

Nah I never thought you were being an a-hole. I know as well as anyone how things can sometimes come across that way when you don't mean for it to. It has to be pretty blatant before I'd make that assumption.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

So as far as which stark takes control. (of the Stark name) It will be Bran. Not only is he next in line of succession, but he was actually the head honcho at Winterfell, when Robb went south. Considering he is still alive. He is the logical choice to bring the North together.

 

[Innermind]

Noooooooo! Not Podrick!



From the episode 8 video preview:

 

[Innermind]

I'm stoked.

 

[juliansteed]

Noooooooo! Not Podrick!



From the episode 8 video preview:

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That Bronn, likely just fucking with him. Although technically they are on opposite sides now, as are Jamie and Brienne so it will be interesting to see how that all plays out.

 

[wildturkey]

So this episode basically confirmed it; the story ends with Lady Mormont on the Iron Throne

 

[SFGRTB]

I liked this "set up EP far more". My only real complaint is it seemed once again to be an extremely short episode. Like not even 50 minutes so it seemed.

Last 3 are shaping up to be fantastic though. Some Arya pay off next week. The battle of the bastards in EP 9. Hopefully some TOJ at somepoint and a resolution(killing) of most of Kings Landings shit characters.

Don't worry man, the 3 next episodes are among the longest in series history. The finale is longest ever.

 

[SFGRTB]

If Toman is a true believer now, he could be the Seven's champion, which would put Sersie in a total bind...

Now this is interesting. There was that shot in the trailer of Tommen with his KG and Cersei and the Mountain seemingly facing off. The High Sparrow would have to have a massive grip on Tommen for that to happen though, not sure I see the little dude fighting.

I haven't heard this one yet though. Very interesting.

 

[calsnowskier]

Now this is interesting. There was that shot in the trailer of Tommen with his KG and Cersei and the Mountain seemingly facing off. The High Sparrow would have to have a massive grip on Tommen for that to happen though, not sure I see the little dude fighting.

I haven't heard this one yet though. Very interesting.

If this is the way they go (and I have not heard this rumor anywhere, mind you), I would guess Margory was a key player in getting him to be champion. She obviously is playing a bigger game in the faith than she is letting on, and she made sure to get Lady Tyrell out of KL.

If Tommen is to be champion, there is no outcome that ends well for Cersei. If she still sends in Mountain, than the King is dead, there is no longer an obvious heir (Gandy?) and Cersei has not only lost her final child, but likely Jaime as well, and will have shown everyone who she truly is. If she becomes her own champion, she either dies or kills her son with her own hand (thus completing the twin-fecta of King-slayers). If she sends in a patsy as champion (maester?) than she is dead by law.

It would be a HUGE play on the shows part. I am just not sure it isn't too big, too soon. It would end Cersei, and she is a MAJOR character.

 

[SFGRTB]

If this is the way they go (and I have not heard this rumor anywhere, mind you), I would guess Margory was a key playing in getting him to be champion. She obviously is playing a bigger game in the faith than she is letting on, and she made sure to get Lady Tyrell out of KL.

If Tommen is to be champion, there is no outcome that ends well for Cersei. If she still sends in Mountain, than the King is dead, there is no longer an obvious heir (Gandy?) and Cersei has not only lost her final child, but likely Jaime as well, and will have shown everyone who she truly is. If she becomes her own champion, she either dies or kills her son with her own hand (thus completing the twin-feta of King-slayers). If she sends in a patsy as champion (maester?) than she is dead by law.

It would be a HUGE play on the shows part. I am just not sure it isn't too big, too soon. It would end Cersei, and she is a MAJOR character.

Margaery is definitely up to something, and the High Sparrow knows this is a ruse. The thing about it is it's a win-win for him. If Margaery keeps putting on this fake devout face or stops benefits the High Sparrow both ways, so it would make sense that Margaery is making a play against Cersei instead, at least for the time being.

And again, it's a win-win situation for the High Sparrow. Tommen done fucked up.

I really enjoyed this latest episode for the Septom Ray (Ian McShane) scene. It really added a ton of layers to the High Sparrow for me. Now I think there is certainly some ulterior motive there. He's a schemer.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Don't worry man, the 3 next episodes are among the longest in series history. The finale is longest ever.

Yeah I remember reading about that early in the season. Do you have the actual run times?

I'm extremely excited for these last 3. Especially the last 2.

 

[BigRedMoe]

 

[SFGRTB]

Yeah I remember reading about that early in the season. Do you have the actual run times?

I'm extremely excited for these last 3. Especially the last 2.

59 minutes, 60 minutes, 69 minutes. Only 11 episodes have been 59 minutes or more in the series so far.

 

[wildturkey]

Reddit Sleuths Confirm Sansa’s Letter Recipient on GAME OF THRONES | Nerdist

Some reddit people paused the show during the scene where Sansa wrote the letter and figured out what it said. And she's writing to who 98% of us thought she was writing to.

Spoiler

SER POUNCE! jk...but that'd be sweet. It's Baelish.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Amazing how different Emilia Clarke looks in real life. And judging by the recent appearance I caught on Conan, kinda annoying as well.

Jeez, man. You're late to that party.

You ought to know that any broad who gets famous because she got naked and then decides she's not going to get naked anymore is an annoying twat. GoT should have shit-canned here then and there. Hollywood is likely full of hotter, more talented actresses that would do the show for half what Clarke is getting.

Honestly, I don't think she's that hot. Don't get me wrong, I'd fire a shot into her and be very happy about it, but relative to other celebrities, I don't thinks she's special.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

As for the 'HBO doesn't have to worry about the books', eh, I get where people are going with that, but Martin is still hugely involved with the writing and scripting of the show. It's not like Benioff and Weiss don't talk to GRRM.

In fact that's the effing problem (imo) with Martin not getting the *#R)!@+)(!!!! books done. He's got waaaaay too many side-projects going, including the TV show.

At any rate it isn't like B+W haven't knows at the very least, where the main characters/houses are set to end up for years now.

I expect there to be differences between the show and the books moving forward, but it's not like in the TV show the Lannisters are going to win the GOT, while in the books the Dany/Starks triumph.

You forgot to say something about how that'd be way too expensive for TV.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

I was psyched to see Al Swearengen appear in the last episode. Disappointed that they killed him off so damn fast.

Kill off that faceless fag who's always talking about "a girl." That guy's fucking annoying. Swearengen is cool.