Game of Thrones

[BusSport]

More work went into making this video than D&D put into writing season 8:

 

[juliansteed]

Pretty much agree on the first three points.

However, to be fair, the Maggy prophecy about the valonqar was only in the books and not in the show;

Correct and even if it was on the show, it never specified whose younger sibling would kill her. She seemed to interpret it as her own but that wouldn't necessarily be the case. Daenerys would qualify as a valonqar.

 

[Clayton]

Anyway, The Ringer did a ranking of all the episodes in Thrones...

https://thrones.theringer.com/?_ga=2.180066596.1491788573.1558450651-140928237.1557788899

Nothing terribly surprising really.

Whenever I see this I'm always reminded of why I stopped watching GoT in season 5.

I think the other thing of note is the ranking of the Long Night and the Bells in a vacuum should be seen as disappointing because those should be top 8 episodes if done properly.

 

[juliansteed]

I wrote about this earlier, but what if one of her earliest memories was being escorted out of the city while the bells were ringing when the mad king and his forces surrendered? That would bring symbolism to the bells ringing and bring us full circle back to the mad king.

That would have been perfect had Daenerys been a toddler or a young child during the sacking of King's Landing and they had actually set it up somehow. However, she was born on Dragonstone after her mother and Viserys had evacuated on their way to Essos.

 

[Sparhawk]

That would have been perfect had Daenerys been a toddler or a young child during the sacking of King's Landing and they had actually set it up somehow. However, she was born on Dragonstone after her mother and Viserys had evacuated on their way to Essos.

Is it possible that when word got to Dragonstone that the mad king had been defeated and Baratheon won, the bells rung, signifying they had to get the hell out of there????

 

[juliansteed]

Is it possible that when word got to Dragonstone that the mad king had been defeated and Baratheon won, the bells rung, signifying they had to get the hell out of there????

I would say it's possible that bells were ringing but whether or not she would remember such a thing and understand what was going on would be another story. Then again Leia remembered her real mother.

 

[Clayton]

Dang, I just saw that Grr Martin wanted this to be ten seasons.

I don't think this is going to go down as one of the worst finales ever but GoT not going ten seasons sounds like one of the dumbest decisions ever.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

Yes. For a moment there was the possibility she would just reduce the Red Keep to rubble and that would have likely been "ok" in that she was just making sure Cersie was history and not the entire city.

But not to be.

I recall scenes where Cersei is letting people into the Red Keep and basically putting them up as shields.

While not desirable if Dany went right after Cersei and the castle and people in the Keep died as a part of it this would have been undesirable, but forgivable.

I think in the end the appeal of Dany is that she had this duality. They certainly played up the madness she came from. I personally believe Viserys was there to further highlight the entitled crazy that was possible in Targaryen. Every time she seemed close to that crazy and pushed back from it we loved her all the more for fighting off that side.

But that side was always there. Again, the rush to completion REALLY compounded the situation and made it worse. But the heel turn was always possible.

She told the Dothraki numerous times they would tear down their stone homes, etc. Did many just believe that was what she “sold” the Dothraki on to cross the sea? I think she always meant it.

She had a warped sense of who her enemy was. I doubt she remembers the exodus, or the bells for that matter. But more so she was taught the horror they endured by their enemies again and again from people like Viserys. Hardly creates a pragmatic view. Especially when the man that overthrew her father and family was always sending assassins to find her.

It’s not an excuse to me, not ok with the leveling of the city (or the whole city minus the small council room). But I think the undercurrents were always there for this to be possible. It was part of what made her compelling. But it seriously got fucked in the rush to a close.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

Dang, I just saw that Grr Martin wanted this to be ten seasons.

I don't think this is going to go down as one of the worst finales ever but GoT not going ten seasons sounds like one of the dumbest decisions ever.

I know there was clear reporting the HBO wanted more episodes to the final season. But I just feel like there is going to be reports later of HBO not being down with many more seasons.

I’m not offering absolution to the show runners. I think they hold the most culpability in this mess. But it just sticks with me that we often hear later on that these types of shows that seems to be cash cows were actually anything but. For Christ sakes....Lena Hadley got $1M an episode this year. If they didn’t use some kind of dummy for her and Jamie last week than she got $1M to lie in rubble for a few minutes.

I just don’t think HBO had the want to push this out more seasons themselves.

 

[anotheridiot]

All the finale of game of thrones taught us was sometimes ince$t keeps women from going mad.

If Jon would have kept banging her, she probably would have sided with love and not exterminated the city.

 

[PatsFan2003]

I recall scenes where Cersei is letting people into the Red Keep and basically putting them up as shields.

While not desirable if Dany went right after Cersei and the castle and people in the Keep died as a part of it this would have been undesirable, but forgivable.

I agree

I think in the end the appeal of Dany is that she had this duality. They certainly played up the madness she came from. I personally believe Viserys was there to further highlight the entitled crazy that was possible in Targaryen. Every time she seemed close to that crazy and pushed back from it we loved her all the more for fighting off that side.

Yep. Absolutely. I agree again.

But that side was always there. Again, the rush to completion REALLY compounded the situation and made it worse. But the heel turn was always possible.

She told the Dothraki numerous times they would tear down their stone homes, etc. Did many just believe that was what she “sold” the Dothraki on to cross the sea? I think she always meant it.

Part of her appeal to me at least is that she was a kick-ass warrior when she needed to be. If fact she often needed to be in order to clean up other people's mistakes.

(Part of her appeal to me at least was that she also had to learn to become a sexual vixen in bed in order to become a true wife to Drogo(?) I liked that! )

Another part of her appeal is that she always managed to reign herself when she had to as well.

Well except at the end...

She had a warped sense of who her enemy was. I doubt she remembers the exodus, or the bells for that matter. But more so she was taught the horror they endured by their enemies again and again from people like Viserys. Hardly creates a pragmatic view. Especially when the man that overthrew her father and family was always sending assassins to find her.

It’s not an excuse to me, not ok with the leveling of the city (or the whole city minus the small council room). But I think the undercurrents were always there for this to be possible. It was part of what made her compelling. But it seriously got fucked in the rush to a close.

yep

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Just think of all those people who named their kids Daenerys or Khaleesi...

 

[gob]

Just think of all those people who named their kids Daenerys or Khaleesi...

Dummies gonna dummy

 

[Mofo]

Anyone see this yet?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Whenever I see this I'm always reminded of why I stopped watching GoT in season 5.

You consider this a good decision? Might be one of the worse . Season 6 was bad ass. My favorite in fact. Sorry for your lose.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Just think of all those people who named their kids Daenerys or Khaleesi...

Oh well , doubt other kids their age will connect the dots.

 

[Clayton]

You consider this a good decision? Might be one of the worse . Season 6 was bad ass. My favorite in fact. Sorry for your lose.

Nah, I had planned on getting back in after the show finished. It might be in the next couple of weeks, to be honest.

There were about four or five mediocre episodes in a row in Season 5. I figured waiting for the books was a better plan but Martin seems like he is busy doing everything but finishing the books.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

All things must pass and I'm glad to be done with it.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

All things must pass and I'm glad to be done with it.

Shame it’s gone this way....but it is what it is at this point. It just wasn’t meant to be a story rushed to the finish.

 

[theboardref]

Anyone know if this documentary tonight is on all seasons or just the 8th? If it is just the 8th I have zero interest.