Game of Thrones

[gob]

Did anyone really not see that scene coming after the previous two episodes though? I shot my buddy a text telling him this is exactly what would happen. There was no shock or awe for me and I don't get the impression that a lot of other people were really surprised either.

Well, maybe I was surprised that she succeeded. I thought it was plain that they were going to do an abrupt turn with her character and make her the clear villain out of nowhere. I guess I shouldn't say there was no shock. But I thought this was plainly and clearly where they were going with it after the second to last episode.

It was obvious she was turning, yeah. I didn't think it was obvious she was going to burn it all down after they gave up, though.

 

[Bridgeburner]

It was obvious she was turning, yeah. I didn't think it was obvious she was going to burn it all down after they gave up, though.

I'd have to look back but I think Tyrion might have pointed exactly to that at one point?

 

[jayfan]

At it's core, the show had two primary antagonists. From beginning to end. And neither one made it to the finale. That's a problem.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

They were there. But there wasn't enough of them. It was too fast, too sloppy. It basically made a mockery of the entire character arch.

Yes.....there I completely agree. How many character arches became a mockey this season? Ugh....

 

[Orlando Eagles]

True. If you do too much, her burning the city down is just a cool scene. There is no "oh, shit" impact.

Did you have an oh, shit impact? I really didn't. I had hoped she would go up to Cersei and torch her. Instead I just shook my head as it went down. (Resigned) "well, she is the mad queen, now".

Maybe its all individual experiences. But that was mine.

 

[gob]

Did you have an oh, shit impact? I really didn't. I had hoped she would go up to Cersei and torch her. Instead I just shook my head as it went down. (Resigned) "well, she is the mad queen, now".

Maybe its all individual experiences. But that was mine.

I didn't think she was going to torch the city like that.

 

[Orlando Eagles]

I didn't think she was going to torch the city like that.

I hoped she wouldn't, but I was not sure what she would do.

 

[Bridgeburner]

Yes.....there I completely agree. How many character arches became a mockey this season? Ugh....

What this needed was another season to flesh out that ending. At that point I'm probably okay with it.

But in all honesty, Martin hasn't fleshed this out properly in the books either so far and he's got a lot more opportunity to do it.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Someone won Game of Thrones—but it may not be who you think

People will do anything to justify the Tyrion character....Good Lord.

I have no idea what your unhealthy obsession is with those idea.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Oh, so there are "good slave owners"?

Never in our 20,000 Civil War debates did you ever let on that there was a discernible difference in your eyes...

That said, I'm thinking Dany viewed it much as "Civil War Debate Flyerhawk" does/did. Slavery is slavery. There is no "benevolent" slave-holder...

However, somehow reasoning that those in King's Landing supported Cersei, simply because they lived in King's Landing is quite a stretch...

They even set it up to where Cersei was allowing the common folk to come inside the gates of the red keep to try to protect herself with them. They could have had Dany attack the red keep and have those people be unforgivable casualties but instead she killed everybody.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

He could have been nominating himself OR about to name someone else. Perhaps the books will solve the mystery.

He was nominating himself, which is what made his kowtowing to Sansa all the more hilarious.

 

[batchaps4me]

He wasn't king because he had the best story. He was king because he held the true history of human's stories.

When you go way way back, when Dany was given to the warlord as a peace offering was a scar that I thought came out at the end. One of her best scenes back then was when she had him fuck her face to face. She showed what it meant to be loved. I really dont know how she lost that in the last two just because Jon would not bang her anymore.

Jon was the true king, half the leaders left hated him, the other half did not seem to mind either way, they were really not fit to rule. That is what it boiled down to at the end, who truly was fit to rule. It came down to two men that did not want the job. I go 20 years into the future of this episode and Broken dies, (or truly is evil as the night king was trying to rid the world of) the only one invading to become queen would be Sansa.

Largely because Sansa did not embrace Dany, none in the north did. She simply started feeling like the Mad King, that she was surrounded by enemies wanting to destroy her bloodline.

Oh, so there are "good slave owners"?

Never in our 20,000 Civil War debates did you ever let on that there was a discernible difference in your eyes...

That said, I'm thinking Dany viewed it much as "Civil War Debate Flyerhawk" does/did. Slavery is slavery. There is no "benevolent" slave-holder...

However, somehow reasoning that those in King's Landing supported Cersei, simply because they lived in King's Landing is quite a stretch...

Keep in mind what happened to her relatives in that city. And that the people in that city supported the King that tried to have her killed all of her known life. She made the Dothraki promise her that they would help he kill anyone that opposed her and burn their cities.

 

[Mondo Jay]

We attacked civilians in a far greater scale. We nuked a city 4 days after nuking a different city. That's a real life modern scenario.

Japan hadn't rung the bells yet.

 

[ElTexan]

I'm on Season 4 now so don't spoil it for me gall darn it.

Maybe this Thread is not for you.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

The Dany descent into madness thing wasn't done well but it didn't exactly come out of left field either. There were MUCH bigger issues with the story. For instance,

1) The entire battle plan at Winterfell seemed to be to put out the worst battle strategy possible but to still try really hard. That way they'd get everybody killed and still be able to have the Night King walk right through and then go out like a huge bitch despite him being the apparently embodiment of evil.

2) Because of how the Night King was killed the Azor Ahai prophecy making absolutely no fucking sense.

3) The other "major villain" getting fucked up by some bricks after Dany makes ridiculously quick work of her army.

4) Because of how Cersei was killed the Maggy the Frog prophecy making no fucking sense.

 

[Cave_Johnson]

Well if it wasn't for Jon's lineage then you probably don't get the mad queen there so that's pretty important.

True, it helped. Not sure it was necessary though.

I'm still not over the fact that he was named Aegon even though he had a living brother with that same name as the time of his birth. That's a whole other thing though.

 

[PatsFan2003]

It was obvious she was turning, yeah. I didn't think it was obvious she was going to burn it all down after they gave up, though.

Yes. For a moment there was the possibility she would just reduce the Red Keep to rubble and that would have likely been "ok" in that she was just making sure Cersie was history and not the entire city.

But not to be.

 

[PatsFan2003]

We bombed every city in Japan and Germany for years. We killed thousands of women and children. Does that mean we were murderers that was unable to connect the dots? Or did we rationalize that killing those people was necessary?

In one of the behind the scenes segments, the bombing of Dresden was mentioned by the writers as a model. The Allies had their share of atrocities. It was total war.

 

[Sparhawk]

The Dany descent into madness thing wasn't done well but it didn't exactly come out of left field either. There were MUCH bigger issues with the story. For instance,

1) The entire battle plan at Winterfell seemed to be to put out the worst battle strategy possible but to still try really hard. That way they'd get everybody killed and still be able to have the Night King walk right through and then go out like a huge bitch despite him being the apparently embodiment of evil.

2) Because of how the Night King was killed the Azor Ahai prophecy making absolutely no fucking sense.

3) The other "major villain" getting fucked up by some bricks after Dany makes ridiculously quick work of her army.

4) Because of how Cersei was killed the Maggy the Frog prophecy making no fucking sense.

Pretty much agree on the first three points.

However, to be fair, the Maggy prophecy about the valonqar was only in the books and not in the show;

 

[Cave_Johnson]

Pretty much agree on the first three points.

However, to be fair, the Maggy prophecy about the valonqar was only in the books and not in the show;

Yeah I think you're right, my bad.