Four Seasons Loco Coffee and Total Landscaping Talk

[Darkstone42]

Disagree.
1) All it takes is one conviction of a policeman for a crime they commit to set the precedent that they have the same consequences for doing their job illegally as any other profession. The immunity needs to stop. All this video from different cities showing cops over stepping their bounds needs to lead to these individual cops being held accountable. Then you will see change. The guy who knelt on that innocent man's neck is a guy who not only believed there would be no consequence for his actions, he is a guy who had it proven 18 times before that he was above the law. 10% of the people in any given group are useless shit heads. Police are no different. Let those shit heads face consequences and the rest either shape up or get rid of the trash through attrition. No more automatic heroes.

2) The militarization of the police contributes to the problem. But you can also see why they feel they need it. When Y'all Qaeda overruns a state house with military weapons because they can't go to Fuddruckers, you have to have equal or superior firepower in case it goes wrong. It's literally an arms race. British police can protect their streets largely with batons because they don't have to worry about meeting an AR-15 every time they step out of their car. At the end of the day, I have not seen any of these protests contain any weapons in the hands of anyone but the cops. If the protests for haircuts went violent, it would be a completely different story.

You can still have investigators and judicial systems and arresting officers, but policing itself--patrolling the streets looking for crimes as they happen--is unnecessary, and arguably oversteps the constitutional right to a trial before punishment. Being arrested, especially with force, is a punishment, and it's universally handed down before a trial. Some threshold of evidence must be necessary for any law enforcement engagement/accusation.

The NYPD went on strike to show how important they were once, and crime plummeted while they were inactive.

But if you're going to have police, and you're going to have patrols, there need to be drastically higher thresholds to clear to stop a person and accuse or question them, and the patrol officers should be unarmed entirely. If they can't be trusted to keep their guns holstered until a genuine need arises--unambiguously, no less, they signed up for the risk and we don't need protocols which protect them first--then they can't have guns at all.

 

[Darkstone42]

You can still have investigators and judicial systems and arresting officers, but policing itself--patrolling the streets looking for crimes as they happen--is unnecessary, and arguably oversteps the constitutional right to a trial before punishment. Being arrested, especially with force, is a punishment, and it's universally handed down before a trial. Some threshold of evidence must be necessary for any law enforcement engagement/accusation.

The NYPD went on strike to show how important they were once, and crime plummeted while they were inactive.

But if you're going to have police, and you're going to have patrols, there need to be drastically higher thresholds to clear to stop a person and accuse or question them, and the patrol officers should be unarmed entirely. If they can't be trusted to keep their guns holstered until a genuine need arises--unambiguously, no less, they signed up for the risk and we don't need protocols which protect them first--then they can't have guns at all.

And! If we're going to continue to have policing in any form, it cannot involve anyone currently employed or in charge of a police department. Every single one of them has to be fired. They've all been either active or complicit, and they're all guilty of the problem which needs to be solved.

 

[puckhead]

 

[Darkstone42]

Shooting at people on their own porches. Come on.

 

[forty_three]

You can still have investigators and judicial systems and arresting officers, but policing itself--patrolling the streets looking for crimes as they happen--is unnecessary, and arguably oversteps the constitutional right to a trial before punishment. Being arrested, especially with force, is a punishment, and it's universally handed down before a trial. Some threshold of evidence must be necessary for any law enforcement engagement/accusation.

The NYPD went on strike to show how important they were once, and crime plummeted while they were inactive.

But if you're going to have police, and you're going to have patrols, there need to be drastically higher thresholds to clear to stop a person and accuse or question them, and the patrol officers should be unarmed entirely. If they can't be trusted to keep their guns holstered until a genuine need arises--unambiguously, no less, they signed up for the risk and we don't need protocols which protect them first--then they can't have guns at all.

I would argue that one of the biggest problems with policing is going away from local beat cops. There is no connection between the people in the community and the police. If they actually cared to get to know each other then you can let humanity take over. That combined with higher standards as you said as well as better training are some big steps in the right direction. Then you take on the for profit prison system...

And NYPD going on strike leading to a decline in crime sounds a bit like how stopping testing leads to fewer cases of COVID.

 

[puckhead]

 

[Darkstone42]

I would argue that one of the biggest problems with policing is going away from local beat cops. There is no connection between the people in the community and the police. If they actually cared to get to know each other then you can let humanity take over. That combined with higher standards as you said as well as better training are some big steps in the right direction. Then you take on the for profit prison system...

And NYPD going on strike leading to a decline in crime sounds a bit like how stopping testing leads to fewer cases of COVID.

The reporting channels still existed, and less was reported, is my understanding. Though, NYPD is known for overstepping, so patrol cops probably made a few crimes up while they were out and about, too.

I do agree, though, that if police are going to patrol, they have to live in their communities first. No more out-of-towners. Community policing is far more peaceful and effective, and far less pointlessly punitive.

 

[forty_three]

sigh

 

[dash]

He doesn't look like one of the Merry Men.

 

[forty_three]

A few moments before:

And a few moments after:

And of course his facebook has been found where he says he wished he could go back in time and kill Hillary and Oboma in their cribs.

 

[Darkstone42]

Cops joined demonstrators in Santa Cruz, too, and there were no violent incidents there. I'm guessing the same is true of this march in New Jersey. Amazing, when you don't start shooting at people how they don't suddenly turn violent.

 

[forty_three]

 

[dash]

Three different fires within a few blocks on Melrose Avenue in LA - Jesus.

 

[puckhead]

Glad to see a smattering of uplifting (with NJ above)

 

[puckhead]

Robin Hood gonna need to call Little John for a ride home

 

[jstewismybastardson]

 

[Comeds]

 

[Comeds]

 

[forty_three]

The VP of the Columbus Police Union is claiming that 70 year old congresswoman Joyce Beatty attacked the cop who pepper sprayed her.

Territorial political spin is why nothing is getting better.

So anyway, good morning from Columbus

 

[forty_three]

Glad to see a smattering of uplifting (with NJ above)