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[HonusWagner66]

That is highly disingenuous to blame on Trump...There was a desperate need for Aby tests and yes the backing data was very limited an lame...but this isn't on Trump...article doesn't even cite that

And FYI...Aby test show previous exposure and your bodies response...PCR tests indicate current infection.

The concern isn't that the faulty tests would provide inaccurate information about who is currently infected, but rather inaccurate information about how widespread the virus had been in the given area tested. Like, if there were a ton of false positives, officials might believe much of the population had already been exposed to the virus. Or if it the test failed to detect the antibodies, it could lead officials to believe the virus hadn't really spread to their community at all.

You're right about the article not citing much about Trump's involvement. But it doesn't really cite much at all about anything. That's because it's not really an article but more a promo for the next 60 Minutes episode airing tomorrow. Like it says in the lede graf, you'll have to tune into CBS tomorrow at 7 p.m. for the whole story.

 

[scoutyjones2]

The concern isn't that the faulty tests would provide inaccurate information about who is currently infected, but rather inaccurate information about how widespread the virus had been in the given area tested. Like, if there were a ton of false positives, officials might believe much of the population had already been exposed to the virus. Or if it the test failed to detect the antibodies, it could lead officials to believe the virus hadn't really spread to their community at all.

You're right about the article not citing much about Trump's involvement. But it doesn't really cite much at all about anything. That's because it's not really an article but more a promo for the next 60 Minutes episode airing tomorrow. Like it says in the lede graf, you'll have to tune into CBS tomorrow at 7 p.m. for the whole story.

The FDA approves testing...not the President.

Again, disingenuous by Dick Hines to blame Trump.

Federal officials allowed distribution of COVID-19 antibody tests after they knew many were flawed

 

[HonusWagner66]

The FDA approves testing...not the President.

Again, disingenuous by Dick Hines to blame Trump.

Federal officials allowed distribution of COVID-19 antibody tests after they knew many were flawed

I think what Mr. Hines is alleging is Trump had information about the tests being bad and did not stop them from being distributed, or mention the fact to local officials using them to make policy decisions.

As president, he would/should certainly know about the status of the tests being distributed by a federal agency to address the pandemic. Trump has talked a lot about testing. He hasn't mentioned this. This isn't some obscure federal project he wouldn't have first-hand knowledge about (if this was as widespread as CBS seems to be alleging). He wouldn't be learning about this from 60 Minutes with the rest of us. And if he knew faulty tests were being or had been distributed by a federal agency, he has a responsibility to do something.

Obviously Trump isn't the one approving if a scientific test is reliable. He's not real good at the whole science thing.

Again, I'd wait to actually see the 60 Minutes report to make a decision. But at face value of the article, Hines isn't being disingenuous to pass blame onto Trump if this is true.

 

[forty_three]

The FDA approves testing...not the President.

Again, disingenuous by Dick Hines to blame Trump.

Federal officials allowed distribution of COVID-19 antibody tests after they knew many were flawed

It can be a fine line where to lay blame when so many things went wrong. But the buck, as they say, is supposed to stop in his office. If he was briefed on the fact the tests didn't work and he didn't pick up the phone to push on the FDA to stop them then there is *some* blame to be laid at his feet. Maybe not the bulk of it, but certainly some.

And there needs to be some dick punching at the FDA too.

 

[HonusWagner66]

And there needs to be some dick punching at the FDA too.

Yeah, who's in charge of appointing the leadership of the FDA anyway?

[Looks it up]

Oh, shit....

 

[forty_three]

Hoover police officer fired over Facebook photo of protester in crosshairs

4 police officers in San Jose put on leave over racist, anti-Muslim Facebook posts

 

[forty_three]

Yeah, who's in charge of appointing the leadership of the FDA anyway?

[Looks it up]

Oh, shit....

Shit does roll downhill

 

[Darkstone42]

Yeah, who's in charge of appointing the leadership of the FDA anyway?

[Looks it up]

Oh, shit....

This is the point I was going to make. Trump has made an active point of appointing people to agencies like the FDA who are 1) Yes men, and 2) favor less scrutinous regulatory policy, each of which would directly contribute to the FDA approving and distributing a faulty test.

Basically, this is something that could have happened under another administration but was especially likely to happen under his.

 

[forty_three]

This is the point I was going to make. Trump has made an active point of appointing people to agencies like the FDA who are 1) Yes men, and 2) favor less scrutinous regulatory policy, each of which would directly contribute to the FDA approving and distributing a faulty test.

Basically, this is something that could have happened under another administration but was especially likely to happen under his.

I looked this up as I had that thought too, like he'd appoint some campaign donor who got rich selling protein powder.

But this dude actually seems qualified.

Stephen Hahn | FDA

Aside from that whole "defend the president on that injecting sunshine" thing.

 

[mooger_35]

Trump has given the Lincoln Project a lot of material to work with and they nailed this.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

This is the point I was going to make. Trump has made an active point of appointing people to agencies like the FDA who are 1) Yes men, and 2) favor less scrutinous regulatory policy, each of which would directly contribute to the FDA approving and distributing a faulty test.

Basically, this is something that could have happened under another administration but was especially likely to happen under his.

100% ... yes men that are looking for the quick and easy rushed to market solution without proper trials ...like emergency use of HCQ ...be ready for a US created vaccine that may or may not work ... 50/50

 

[Darkstone42]

I looked this up as I had that thought too, like he'd appoint some campaign donor who got rich selling protein powder.

But this dude actually seems qualified.

Stephen Hahn | FDA

Aside from that whole "defend the president on that injecting sunshine" thing.

I don't doubt he's qualified (I think Redfield is, too, technically), but being qualified doesn't necessarily mean he won't defer to Trump's interests where possible in doing his job. And it also doesn't mean his philosophy on drug approval can't be to shorten the trials and get it to market quicker.

 

[Darkstone42]

I will say this. The FDA likely approved tests quickly due to the emergent nature of the pandemic. I don't think that was out of line. The problem was the failure to do something about it when the flaw was discovered, and to have been fast-tracking the development of alternate tests, just in case. The failure to do something about it is where the criticism of Trump comes in.

 

[mattola]

Every day gets a little worse for humanity

 

[mooger_35]

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Every day gets a little worse for humanity

 

[mattola]

Guy has some courage boy

 

[forty_three]

I don't doubt he's qualified (I think Redfield is, too, technically), but being qualified doesn't necessarily mean he won't defer to Trump's interests where possible in doing his job. And it also doesn't mean his philosophy on drug approval can't be to shorten the trials and get it to market quicker.

Very true, I just meant to say he wasn't a typical Trump appointee like DeVos' whose only qualification related to education was having gone to a school as a child. And giving tons of money.

We all know Trump won't appoint anyone other than a yes man. It's just that this one is a qualified yes man.

 

[Darkstone42]

Guy has some courage boy

They seem to be really into his suggestions, don't they?

 

[scoutyjones2]

Yeah, who's in charge of appointing the leadership of the FDA anyway?

[Looks it up]

Oh, shit....

His hiring's there were fine...it's on the FDA to do this.