Foles Opting Out

[PhoenixEagles1]

The entire life of the rookie contract is 5 yrs. First 4 yrs guaranteed with team option 5th yr pick up non-negotiable or voided out for the player to become a FA.

No, it’s four years and the team has the right to extend it a year or keep the original 4 year contract. Look at the CBA agreement it says rookie 1st sign 4 year deals and will wait and see if the original 4 year deal is extended. Because the CBA says a team has the rights to a player for an extra year doesn’t mean they sign a 5 year deal.
Again...
They sign for four years and usually that’s all it is.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

No, it’s four years and the team has the right to extend it a year or keep the original 4 year contract. Look at the CBA agreement it says rookie 1st sign 4 year deals and will wait and see if the original 4 year deal is extended. Because the CBA says a team has the rights to a player for an extra year doesn’t mean they sign a 5 year deal.
Again...
They sign for four years and usually that’s all it is.

Life of the contract is 5 yrs

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

The entire life of the rookie contract is 5 yrs. First 4 yrs guaranteed with team option 5th yr pick up non-negotiable or voided out for the player to become a FA.

I think everyone agrees with this. But the fact is they sign four year deals. It’s in the contractual wording “All rookie 1st round picks sign 4 year deals”

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Life of the contract is 5 yrs

Nope. The rights are for 5 years. The original contract is for 4 years

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Nope. The rights are for 5 years. The original contract is for 4 years

The key word is Life of the contract

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

The key word is Life of the contract

But the word “LIFE” is not in the CBA agreement. The life of the contract has the potential to be 5 years but players sign four year deals. Many teams keep the original 4 year deal and some teams exercise a league wide rule to extend it one year. Teams do have the rights for 5 years but the players sign 4 year contracts. Most players simply fulfill that and move on.
It specifically says verbatim in the agreement “All rookie 1st round picks are mandated per cap rules to sign 4 year contracts”.

 

[dbldwn711]

But the word “LIFE” is not in the CBA agreement. The life of the contract has the potential to be 5 years but players sign four year deals. Many teams keep the original 4 year deal and some teams exercise a league wide rule to extend it one year. Teams do have the rights for 5 years but the players sign 4 year contracts. Most players simply fulfill that and move on.
It specifically says verbatim in the agreement “All rookie 1st round picks are mandated per cap rules to sign 4 year contracts”.

Fucking liar. You leave out other language which specifically discusses 1st round picks therefore it’s not “verbatim”.

 

[dbldwn711]

In 2014 pitcher David Price signed a 7 year contract with the Red Sox that allowed him to opt out of the contract after 2018 (only a few years into the deal). That is considered by everyone a 7 year deal even though it could have ended earlier.

Red Sox sign David Price to seven year deal

Prior to the current nfl CBA rookies were getting paid ridiculous amounts of money. Veterans were pissed. So they instituted a rookie pay scale. In an effort to make it easy to understand the league characterized the new deal by saying “all rookie sign a four year contract” but they then went on to say “but first round picks have a club option for a 5th year”. It went on to say that “this option must be written into the contract and can’t be a separate document”.

That’s a 5 year deal.

The David price 7 year contract establishes that.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

It's a 5 yr contract the player signs. That's the length of the contract he has with that team. It's the teams choice to void the contract after 4 yrs or opt in on his remaining 1 yr left on his rookie deal where money is not negotiated.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

In 2014 pitcher David Price signed a 7 year contract with the Red Sox that allowed him to opt out of the contract after 2018 (only a few years into the deal). That is considered by everyone a 7 year deal even though it could have ended earlier.

Red Sox sign David Price to seven year deal

Prior to the current nfl CBA rookies were getting paid ridiculous amounts of money. Veterans were pissed. So they instituted a rookie pay scale. In an effort to make it easy to understand the league characterized the new deal by saying “all rookie sign a four year contract” but they then went on to say “but first round picks have a club option for a 5th year”. It went on to say that “this option must be written into the contract and can’t be a separate document”.

That’s a 5 year deal.

The David price 7 year contract establishes that.

All this took place because of the Bradford deal getting 50mil before taking a snap.

 

[dbldwn711]

It's a 5 yr contract the player signs. That's the length of the contract he has with that team. It's the teams choice to void the contract after 4 yrs or opt in on his remaining 1 yr left on his rookie deal where money is not negotiated.

Yup and it’s NOT a contract extension bc that would require a separate contract.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

In 2014 pitcher David Price signed a 7 year contract with the Red Sox that allowed him to opt out of the contract after 2018 (only a few years into the deal). That is considered by everyone a 7 year deal even though it could have ended earlier.

Red Sox sign David Price to seven year deal

Prior to the current nfl CBA rookies were getting paid ridiculous amounts of money. Veterans were pissed. So they instituted a rookie pay scale. In an effort to make it easy to understand the league characterized the new deal by saying “all rookie sign a four year contract” but they then went on to say “but first round picks have a club option for a 5th year”. It went on to say that “this option must be written into the contract and can’t be a separate document”.

That’s a 5 year deal.

The David price 7 year contract establishes that.

It doesn’t establish that at all. Not even close.
A rookie signs a 4 year deal. The team fulfills that contract and does absolutely nothing else. He is free to go because he signed a 4 year contract that him and the team fulfilled. How is that a 5 year deal.
Again... I see all of your points. You’re saying teams own his rights for 5 years and that is true. But they sign 4 year deals. It is not known if the team will keep it at 4 years or extend it.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Yup and it’s NOT a contract extension bc that would require a separate contract.

Spot on dude!

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Yup and it’s NOT a contract extension bc that would require a separate contract.

Correct. But the 4 YEAR CONTRACT is extended.
I’m just curious as to why you guys get to change the collective bargaining agreement?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Spot on dude!

It is spot on. But the 4 year contract they signed is extended. Why is it you guys get to change the mandated rules of the CBA?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Spot on dude!

https:www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2018/06/06how-to-negotiate-a-Rookie-nfl-contract/#41ae29e15b0e

The most famous agent ever “Again, the cap mandates that first-rounders sign four year contracts”

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

It is spot on. But the 4 year contract they signed is extended. Why is it you guys get to change the mandated rules of the CBA?

Here's the part were you are correct. Players that are drafted rounds 2-7 do sign contracts for 4 yrs. UDA's get 3yr contracts. First rounders sign 5 yr contract with the team option of the 5th year. Yes some may play only 4 yrs but in the language itself the life of the contract is 5 yrs voidable after 4 if the team chooses not to pick up the option after year 3.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

https:www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2018/06/06how-to-negotiate-a-Rookie-nfl-contract/#41ae29e15b0e

https:[URL='http://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2018/06/06how-to-negotiate-a-Rookie-nfl-contract/#41ae29e15b0e']www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2018/06/06how-to-negotiate-a-Rookie-nfl-contract/#41ae29e15b0e

The most famous agent ever “Again, the cap mandates that first-rounders sign four year contracts”

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The most famous agent ever “Again, the cap mandates that first-rounders sign four year contracts”

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[dbldwn711]

Correct. But the 4 YEAR CONTRACT is extended.
I’m just curious as to why you guys get to change the collective bargaining agreement?

It’s NOT extended. Google “contract extension” and educate yourself before continuing to talk out of your ass

 

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