Flyers Trade Scott Hartnell To CBJ For R.J. Umberger

[Cobiemonster]

This is shocking - the Flyers can't be done - I think they're going to try and move RJ to a team that has a ton of cap space, so they can clear that salary

 

[pixburgher66]

If they're simply done, Hextall is on crack. Both have bad contracts, but...yeah...Umberger was a fourth line scrub by the end of the season in CBJ.

 

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I think you have to look at the fact that Hartnell's contract is two years longer than R.J's. Hartnell is the better player, but the Flyers have some key players to sign, and getting out of those last couple of years of Hartnell's contract is a good move.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

The Umburglar back in Philly, ah memories:

 

[Cobiemonster]

If they're simply done, Hextall is on crack. Both have bad contracts, but...yeah...Umberger was a fourth line scrub by the end of the season in CBJ.

I don't think Hexy's anywhere close to being done - you know he will be doing everything possible to get out of Vinny and Nicklas Grossmann's contracts - he wants more speed and quickness and those two guys don't fit the bill

Also, in R.J. Umberger's bad season, he only scored two goals less than Scott Hartnell - and he takes less penalties too and the Flyers need to be a lot better in that department going forward so this is a good start for them

I was certainly shocked by this move but it makes sense and there is more to come, this isn't going to be it

 

[Cobiemonster]

I think you have to look at the fact that Hartnell's contract is two years longer than R.J's. Hartnell is the better player, but the Flyers have some key players to sign, and getting out of those last couple of years of Hartnell's contract is a good move.

Agreed - right now Scott Hartnell is a little bit better of a player, but as I mentioned before, in R.J's bad season he still had only two goals less than Scott Hartnell - and I like that Hexy is looking at the salary cap and the cap space, something Homer never did

 

[thedddd]

Don't both teams still have amnesty buyouts? If so I thought both Hartnell and RJ qualified to be bought out?

I am surprised either team would make this deal instead of using the buyout.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Don't both teams still have amnesty buyouts? If so I thought both Hartnell and RJ qualified to be bought out?

I am surprised either team would make this deal instead of using the buyout.

Flyers already used their compliance buyouts on Danny B and Bryz

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Don't both teams still have amnesty buyouts? If so I thought both Hartnell and RJ qualified to be bought out?

I am surprised either team would make this deal instead of using the buyout.

Philly used both of theirs.

See Official NHL compliance buyout tracker - NHL.com - News

(Not 100% up to date since it has no Ville Leino, but it does have Brad Richards)

 

[thedddd]

Flyers already used their compliance buyouts on Danny B and Bryz

Ok that makes sense then from the Flyers standpoint and this was the first year of Hartnells deal so he didn't qualify anyway.

From the Jackets standpoint I am not sure outside the thought that Hartnell fits their plan going forward as an experienced forward vs what RJ could bring.

 

[DragonfromTO]

I'm happy just because I was scared that the Leafs were going to trade for Hartnell. All that grit and culture change!

 

[pixburgher66]

I understand the length of the contract as an argument most certainly...but I really don't think Umberger brings much to the table.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Also a 4th going to Philly in this per TSN.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I understand the length of the contract as an argument most certainly...but I really don't think Umberger brings much to the table.

Well he didn't get a whole lot of playing time in CBJ as time goes on, and most of the teams he played on there were horrible until just recently, so I'd give him a pass

 

[pixburgher66]

Well he didn't get a whole lot of playing time in CBJ as time goes on, and most of the teams he played on there were horrible until just recently, so I'd give him a pass

He has a role certainly.

 

[thedddd]

I understand the length of the contract as an argument most certainly...but I really don't think Umberger brings much to the table.

Yeah he will be a high paid 4th liner but thats what Hartnell is becoming also. The help for the Flyers is the fact RJ is a center, they get a 4th round pick next year and two years less.

I don't understand CBJ's standpoint when they could have just bought out RJ. Is Hartnell worth that much for 5 years?

 

[pixburgher66]

Yeah he will be a high paid 4th liner but thats what Hartnell is becoming also. The help for the Flyers is the fact RJ is a center, they get a 4th round pick next year and two years less.

I don't understand CBJ's standpoint when they could have just bought out RJ. Is Hartnell worth that much for 5 years?

They can't buyout Hartnell in the future because they didn't give him that deal, right? The Jackets were going to buyout RJ, but turned him into a better player. That's a good day for them.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

They can't buyout Hartnell in the future because they didn't give him that deal, right? The Jackets were going to buyout RJ, but turned him into a better player. That's a good day for them.

It is permitted to buy out a player following a trade, just that neither team can re-sign him then.

The team doing the buy out is explicitly excluded by the CBA but then the league clarified that they would consider the original team doing it as cap circumvention. Came up when TB was talking about trading Vinny Lecavs to Toronto so that Toronto could use their mountains of cash to buy him out and then TB could re-sign him at a lower amount.

However, I don't think Hartnell can be bought out (amnesty at least) because the contract was after the new CBA.

 

[thedddd]

They can't buyout Hartnell in the future because they didn't give him that deal, right? The Jackets were going to buyout RJ, but turned him into a better player. That's a good day for them.

I don't think Hartnell could be amnesty bought out since the contract was after the CBA. Oh yeah he is a better player than RJ. I agree they improved with that deal but 5 years at that price I am surprised that someone could be had in FA for less that could give the same level of play as Hartnell? I guess I need to go look at the upcoming FA's.


Flyer fans have to be happy they got another bad contract (mainly due to 5 more years) off the books.

 

[evolver115]

I'll be frank; I think Umberger was a bum in the series against the Pens this past spring. Pretty sure he averaged less the 13 minutes of TOI in that series, and I'm also pretty sure he was a healthy scratch in the deciding game six. His game hasn't aged like a fine wine.