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[chucksker]

Lets look at a few starting PGs in the league shall we. We will exclude "superstars" and "allstars" since Lin is not considered either (so we will exclude Paul, Westbrook, rondo, d-will off te top of my head)

Player A: 16.7PPg, .461 fg%, .366 3pt%, 2.7 rpg, 6.9 apg, 1.5 spg.

Player B: 13.9ppg, .427 fg%, .360 3pt%, 2.9 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.4 spg

Player C: 17.7 ppg, .431 fg%, 3.68 3pt%, 4.2 rpg, 8.0 apg, 1.6spg

Player D: 13.4 ppg, .441 fg%, 33.9 3pt%, 3.0 rpg, 6.1 apg, 1.5 spg

Player F: 14.7 ppg, .448 fg%, .380 3pt%, 3.1 rpg, 5.2 apg, 1.0 spg


So now what we have here are 5 similar players in the main statistical categories correct? They all seem pretty average, and with 2 exceptions, all are considered pretty good starting guards in the league.

The two exceptions are: one was an all star this year, and one is considered an overrated scrub who got lucky a few times and really kinda sucks (Jeremy Lin in case you couldn't figure that out)

Now I will match the salaries of each player for you

Player A: 10.7 million

Player B: 4.1 million

Player C: 11.0 million

Player D: 5.2 million

Player F: 8.6 million


So do you want me to ruin the surprise and tell you who each player is or do you want to take a few guesses yourself?

 

[chucksker]

Ahh fuck it, ill ruin it for you

Player A is Ty Lawson. Considered a good starting PG. above average really by most.

Player B is Raymond Felton. Considered a comeback story. Lin's replacement. And many uniformed fans think he was better than Lin this year

Player C is Jrue Holiday. An all star guard this year

Player D is Jeremy Lin. The "overrated" and "unathletic" guard who many people think "sucks"

Player F is jameer nelson. Considered a quality starter guard for some time now




So do you want to tell me more about how Lin sucks and was exposed "all season long" please?

Or would you rather just admit that you were uniformed and talking out of your ass about the team that I follow in probably more detail than I do the huskers?

 

[HawkeyeHater]

Banned....

 

[blkflagmafia]

Ahh fuck it, ill ruin it for you

Player A is Ty Lawson. Considered a good starting PG. above average really by most.

Player B is Raymond Felton. Considered a comeback story. Lin's replacement. And many uniformed fans think he was better than Lin this year

Player C is Jrue Holiday. An all star guard this year

Player D is Jeremy Lin. The "overrated" and "unathletic" guard who many people think "sucks"

Player F is jameer nelson. Considered a quality starter guard for some time now




So do you want to tell me more about how Lin sucks and was exposed "all season long" please?

Or would you rather just admit that you were uniformed and talking out of your ass about the team that I follow in probably more detail than I do the huskers?[/

Quick question why didn't you pull up the New York numbers??
You know the stats that shows how he did better in almost every stat compare when he was in Houston . In Houston he had more minutes and yet stats weren't as good the New York and I'm sure they lump the linsainty numbers together with the 11-12 career numbers. Couldn't quite find the stat of the linsainty numbers in which he lite up teams and dominate.

Now I never said he sucked I like Lin I said he was good but didn't put up linsainty numbers in Houston like I thought and hoped he would.

Athletic question if I'm not mistaken Golden state curry and monta elis didn't have the nicest things to say about that nba reported that during his linsainty run. Joking about him when they Ask how he was at GSW.

My point was he didn't quite live up or put the linsainty numbers . Harden ain't an excuse bc a two man game still would work ESP since melo and jr smith both put up numbers in the garden and we all know melo doesn't share. In Houston they were more than willing to let Lin do whatever he felt needed to win he had the green light to shoot pass or do whatever with harden. I was expecting him to go off, ESP for what he did in New York .

 

[chucksker]

Dude the rockets scored 105 points a game he didn't NEED to put up linsanity numbers. If your saying harden isn't an excuse then you are essentially saying Lin is a top 5 player in the league

If you expected him to put up linsanity numbers in Houston them I don't know what to tell you man.....even the most ignorant of Lin fans (you know, like Kobe fans....only like Lin don't care what team he is on but pretend to be a "fan" of the team he is on) didn't think he would put up anywhere CLOSE to the numbers he put up in New York

You realize that while in New York he averaged something like ~24 ppg, ~10 apg, ~6 rpg

....now think about that...if he continued to average that this season he would be well on his way to literally being the best point guard in NBA HISTORY!!!!

You're telling me you thought he would continue to do that?!?!? I'm sorry did stop must just not know a lot about basketball, or have common sense or something. I mean I don't know what to tell you but NOBODY thought he would continue to put up those numbers

 

[chucksker]

Straight from Lin's introductory press conference (daryl Morey is the GM by the way):


"Q: Daryl, was the inexperience less than a factor here since you already knew what he could do?"

"Morey: The big thing for us is that he had proven at the college level that he was a high potential prospect and we obviously tracked him pretty closely. What he showed in New York is what he can do. I think it is unreasonable to expect a player to play at that level what ever that player’s name is. We consider him a very high quality guard to our team."

 

[huskers1217]

why the fuck is this on the nebraska board?

I cant wait for basketball to start and that whining little bitch dwight makes mockery of his signing and the rockets keep being one and done in the playoffs.

 

[chucksker]

Upset Dallas fan is upset

 

[blkflagmafia]

Dude the rockets scored 105 points a game he didn't NEED to put up linsanity numbers. If your saying harden isn't an excuse then you are essentially saying Lin is a top 5 player in the league

If you expected him to put up linsanity numbers in Houston them I don't know what to tell you man.....even the most ignorant of Lin fans (you know, like Kobe fans....only like Lin don't care what team he is on but pretend to be a "fan" of the team he is on) didn't think he would put up anywhere CLOSE to the numbers he put up in New York

You realize that while in New York he averaged something like ~24 ppg, ~10 apg, ~6 rpg

....now think about that...if he continued to average that this season he would be well on his way to literally being the best point guard in NBA HISTORY!!!!

You're telling me you thought he would continue to do that?!?!? I'm sorry did stop must just not know a lot about basketball, or have common sense or something. I mean I don't know what to tell you but NOBODY thought he would continue to put up those numbers

No I thought he would put up close or level off not have a major drop. Houston was a scoring freak team I thought he would get in more scoring before Houston brought some body else in. Now with harden parson Howard he probably the fourth option

I'm not ignorant I know numbers would slide but I figured in that wide open offense he would still keep some good numbers . I think he's a good player but he won't be that linsainty again and with Howard there he would probably just be a pg or spot up shooter since he has good shot

Don't forget I like the dude your acting like I'm a Lin hater I figured he would do good in Houston offense being one of the main guys

 

[chucksker]

I don't think you're a Lin hater, I just get annoyed when people talk about my team and think they know what they are talking about when they clearly don't. And trust me I am FAR from a Lin fan, I think he is the wrong pg for the rockets

But here ill equate it to this. Imagine you are talking CFB with a USC fan. And he starts to talk about Nebraska and says "yeah that Kenny bell guy isn't a very good receiver, he only had 800 yards he didn't even sniff 1,000"

The dude is wrong right? KB is a damn good receiver. But it was nether required, nor needed for him to reel in 1000 yards. Now maybe In a different offense he would do it. Or maybe if he didn't have an "all star" (harden) like Taylor Martinez to command most of the offense he would do it. But it just wasn't needed.

See what I'm saying? Now had harden never been I'm the picture Lin probably would have averaged 18~20 ppg ~7-9 apg ~5-6 rpg

But harden is in the picture so Lin played second/3rd fiddle. In the one game harden didn't play Lin lot up San Antonio for 38. So he is capable of exploding in any one game, but it just isn't asked or needed of him.

 

[huskers1217]

harden sucks too

 

[chucksker]

^^

 

[blkflagmafia]

I don't think you're a Lin hater, I just get annoyed when people talk about my team and think they know what they are talking about when they clearly don't. And trust me I am FAR from a Lin fan, I think he is the wrong pg for the rockets

But here ill equate it to this. Imagine you are talking CFB with a USC fan. And he starts to talk about Nebraska and says "yeah that Kenny bell guy isn't a very good receiver, he only had 800 yards he didn't even sniff 1,000"

The dude is wrong right? KB is a damn good receiver. But it was nether required, nor needed for him to reel in 1000 yards. Now maybe In a different offense he would do it. Or maybe if he didn't have an "all star" (harden) like Taylor Martinez to command most of the offense he would do it. But it just wasn't needed.

See what I'm saying? Now had harden never been I'm the picture Lin probably would have averaged 18~20 ppg ~7-9 apg ~5-6 rpg

But harden is in the picture so Lin played second/3rd fiddle. In the one game harden didn't play Lin lot up San Antonio for 38. So he is capable of exploding in any one game, but it just isn't asked or needed of him.

So let me ask this are you saying harden held Lin from putting those crazy numbers back?
Bc I'm sure houston was hoping for 1-2 punch with harden or 3 headed monsters. That what I thought Houston was trying to do but it never really happens Lin step back and it has the harden show pretty much.

Sorry been moving all day couldn't get back sooner

 

[chucksker]

Essentially....yes harden held Lin. Just as Lebron held back bosh, melo has largely held back STAT (when healthy), Gay held back the entire Memphis roster....certain players don't fit exceptionally well together. Harden and Lin are 2 ball dominate guards. Elite in the PnR. They are essentially (though not exactly) carbon copies of eachother. One just happens to be a top 10 player, one happens to be an average PG

 

[Red_Alert]

This thread sucks.

 

[blkflagmafia]

Essentially....yes harden held Lin. Just as Lebron held back bosh, melo has largely held back STAT (when healthy), Gay held back the entire Memphis roster....certain players don't fit exceptionally well together. Harden and Lin are 2 ball dominate guards. Elite in the PnR. They are essentially (though not exactly) carbon copies of eachother. One just happens to be a top 10 player, one happens to be an average PG

But see I thought both could switch or work the the give n go since Lin can shoot when his in rhythm and harden a beast In the lane a great slasher and some one who could create I thought they would workout unlike Jennings and Elis together who that pt guard couple was a mistake.

Lin didn't have to take a step like wade did with lebron, Houston has hope they could work well together to give them that 1-2 punch. I mean now with Howard Lin will be the last option . Trust me I'm sure harden was hoping to have a lil of that linsainty scoring to help ESP since Houston didn't have help in the paint.

That why I lil disappointed that Lin didn't tee off with harden I thought they would fit great bc at OKC harden durant and Russell WB fit fine and both like the ball in their hands

 

[HuskerinBig10]

I got no dog in this pissin' match.

 

[chucksker]

A royally harden and WB played very few minutes together and you go back and look

And I don't know what to tell you....I can see why you would think they were going to be a 1-2 punch. But no fans here in Houston thought Lin would top about 16 points per game

 

[blkflagmafia]

A royally harden and WB played very few minutes together and you go back and look

And I don't know what to tell you....I can see why you would think they were going to be a 1-2 punch. But no fans here in Houston thought Lin would top about 16 points per game

So essential I bought too much into the Lin hype ?
Bc it seem like I was thinking and believing he could score more in a wide open offense with only one major star to feed aka harden.

Bc I thought a 1-2 punch with harden was very possible and that he could hit around 16-20 with ease since it would only be him harden and parsons.

Wasn't asking for the crazy linsainty numbers but Houston wasn't shy scoring I thought that easily attainable,ESP since harden was going to be the person defenses focus on first.

 

[chucksker]

I think Lin's maximum level last year was about 16 ppg. He struggled early as he was recovering, but found his grove toward the end of the year and was averaging about that for the last couple months of the season I believe

The problem is that Lin and harden are essentially redundant. Think about having rondo and Steve Nash on the same team....only 1 would be able to avg 12 assts right? The other would probably average 5-8.

See what I'm saying? The IDEA of them being a 1-2 punch is great....but in reality would be incredibly hard to achieve.