Five real reason why drafting a QB means trading up

[Yo Tee]

The trans tag has two problems.

If Kirk signs with another team, we can not trans tag or franchise tag another player until Kirks contract with his new team expires.

If we trans tag him and we dont match his offer from another team, we get no compensation.

So in effect, if we want to at least get SOMETHING for him leaving, we either

1. Give him the non exclusive tag and then take the 2 first rounders (or less) if he signs else where
2. Dont tag him at all and get a 3rd rounder as a Comp pick in 2019.

Damn. That's a raw deal.

 

[j_y19]

I would say moe like 80% sure he wont be on our roster next year. There is always the off chance that

1. We get a wild card and win a game
2. We miss the playoffs, but there is enough buzz behind Cousins that they resign him any way.

At the end of the day, I think this is another prove it year. And what they want him to prove might be the sticking point.

See, I see it as a prove it year for the team to prove to KC he should stay. And based on what has transpired to date, I don't think it looks good.

 

[Sharkinva]

Fuck. Didn't realize that. We are screwed. We may very well lose him and only get a 3rd round pick. For a franchise QB. How could we get this so fucked up????

Yea, tats why you rarely see teams use the transition tag. Because best case, you tag a guy, then match his deal.

Worst case, you dont match, he signs a five year deal and not only did you lose the player, you got no compensation for him and now you cant tag another player until the player you lost becomes a free agent again or the contract he signed expires. (Which ever comes first)

 

[SoCalWizFan]

See, I see it as a prove it year for the team to prove to KC he should stay. And based on what has transpired to date, I don't think it looks good.

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you. However with all of these injuries & the lack of production from WR & RB positions they might cut him some slack. Note that I am saying "might" - they may choose to blow him off entirely - we will see.

I am starting to wonder if it really matters who plays QB or any position - this team just appears to be snakebit rt now - whatever can go wrong does go wrong. It is just amazing.

 

[Sharkinva]

Under normal circumstances I would agree with you. However with all of these injuries & the lack of production from WR & RB positions they might cut him some slack. Note that I am saying "might" - they may choose to blow him off entirely - we will see.

I am starting to wonder if it really matters who plays QB or any position - this team just appears to be snakebit rt now - whatever can go wrong does go wrong. It is just amazing.

And that my friend is what we call the sad reality. What seems to be a simple process and work for other teams, always bites us on the ass. Deep down I got that feeling that we could some how turn this season around, have the Niners sell their soul to get Kirk from us, hand us the top pick in the draft, Darnold is sitting there and cost us nothing after the trade.

We draft him and a defensive stud in the first round.

Then they both catch a sever case of IBS that lasts their entire rookie contract.

 

[Sportster 72]

The way these injuries are hitting we could end up in top 1/3 of the draft. You Cousin's lover know that they can sign that kid Baker Mason Jackson Rosen Darnold for $1.98 and they will 14 games every year. He'll be so good the water boy will improve. I wonder if they can fit all those names on the back of a jersey.

 

[Sharkinva]

The way these injuries are hitting we could end up in top 1/3 of the draft. You Cousin's lover know that they can sign that kid Baker Mason Jackson Rosen Darnold for $1.98 and they will 14 games every year. He'll be so good the water boy will improve. I wonder if they can fit all those names on the back of a jersey.

IM waiting for them to adopt the old XFL Jersey rules.

Then our new QB can just have "The Chosen One" on his Jersey.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Lets assume for a moment we are going to draft a QB. Lets also assume we are a bad team and finish say 6-10 as some have proclaimed.

So here are your five reasons why even in the event we finish 6-10, we would have ot trade up

1 The Browns... Likely to have the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. So there is one of the 5 first rounders.
2. The Giants... Eli is getting old and they will likely draft his eventual if not immediate replacement
3. The Jets.. also in need of a QB
4. The Chargers... see Giants reason. Rivers is getting old,
5. The Cardinals..... Did I mention a lot of teams are long in the tooth at QB and might all be thinking, we need to get in on the cornucopia of QBs??

So assuming that five QBs are WORTHY of a first round draft pick as some have insinuated. Thats five teams right there, not including mind you our own Redskins or the 49ers since Im going ot go with the logic that Kirk might be signed by the niners.

So six teams 5 QBs while also ignoring the fact that we are basically saying take which ever guy is available.

Now throw in the fact that we likely identify the QB of our dreams (Mobile, strong arm, able to read defenses, and at least familiar with a pro set offense), a trade up would not only be possible, but likely... well unless we lose out the rest of the season that is.

If the Skins want one of the top 2 or 3 Qbs, I agree they'll have to move up. However, even if Darnold stays in school another year, I could see guys like Mayfield or Rudolph falling into the teens or early 20's. We may get to see if your call on Snyder is right--that he won't settle for the 3rd or 4th best QB.

It would be crazy-ironic if the Niners sign Cousins and the Skins trade up for the Niners 2nd or 3rd overall pick so they can draft a QB to replace the one we just signed.

 

[Sleepy T]

Don't necessarily have to trade up. Just let the chips fall where they may. I doubt that 4-5 QBs will be Top 10 worthy and if 4-5 teams think so, then let them move up to get them. That just means that a good QB will possibly slip to us in the mid 1st or 2nd.

This notion that the FO is willing to sell the entire draft again is pre-mature. Just because they did it for RG3 doesn't mean they will do it again.

 

[Sharkinva]

Don't necessarily have to trade up. Just let the chips fall where they may. I doubt that 4-5 QBs will be Top 10 worthy and if 4-5 teams think so, then let them move up to get them. That just means that a good QB will possibly slip to us in the mid 1st or 2nd.

This notion that the FO is willing to sell the entire draft again is pre-mature. Just because they did it for RG3 doesn't mean they will do it again.

I agree, we dont have to trade up. But for what Dan (and some of the fan base) want, you bet your ass trading up will be the order of the day. RG3 was never just about getting a QB. It was also about selling the fan base HOPE. Be honest with yourself, do you think if Griffin had stayed healthy he would have become the elite QB some folks crave?? If you even partially answer that yes, then you realize WHY they will at least consider/try to trade up.

Because if you are also honest with yourself the only boxes Kirk hasnt and cant at this time check off are

1. Top ranked QB in his draft
2. Ability to carry the team
3. Ability to energize the fanbase because of one and two.
4. Multiple playoffs appearances and wins (but mind you a rookie wont have this one either. )

So at the end of the day 4-5 QBs dont need to be top ten worthy. All they need to do is once again fall in loe with one QB in this draft, and get rumor that another team is angling for said named QB, and let the trade talks begin.

 

[Sharkinva]

@VTSparks also letting the chips fall where they may is basically saying you believe any of these rookie QB no matter which one it is will be as good as or better than Cousins and it really doesnt matter which one you get. Now is this basically what you are saying??

 

[BeaReylo]

I agree, we dont have to trade up. But for what Dan (and some of the fan base) want, you bet your ass trading up will be the order of the day. RG3 was never just about getting a QB. It was also about selling the fan base HOPE. Be honest with yourself, do you think if Griffin had stayed healthy he would have become the elite QB some folks crave?? If you even partially answer that yes, then you realize WHY they will at least consider/try to trade up.

Because if you are also honest with yourself the only boxes Kirk hasnt and cant at this time check off are

1. Top ranked QB in his draft
2. Ability to carry the team
3. Ability to energize the fanbase because of one and two.
4. Multiple playoffs appearances and wins (but mind you a rookie wont have this one either. )

So at the end of the day 4-5 QBs dont need to be top ten worthy. All they need to do is once again fall in loe with one QB in this draft, and get rumor that another team is angling for said named QB, and let the trade talks begin.

That's always been the problem with Danny Boy; he'll step over gold to pick up pyrite.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's always been the problem with Danny Boy; he'll step over gold to pick up pyrite.

And we the fans continue to enable him. Danny wants some one on this list

Check out who had the top-selling NFL jerseys among rookies through the first six weeks of the 2017 season

And Kirk aint that guy.

 

[Sleepy T]

@VTSparks also letting the chips fall where they may is basically saying you believe any of these rookie QB no matter which one it is will be as good as or better than Cousins and it really doesnt matter which one you get. Now is this basically what you are saying??

No Shark, don't put words into my mouth. Obviously we don't know how good these guys are going to be. But yes, I think several of these guys have the potential to be at least as good as Kirk. KC has played well this year for the most part...and I am leaning towards just giving him the contract and possibly settling for 6-7 years of "on the cusp" with him. But the FO will have to surround him with above average talent at the WR and RB and build the defense into a perennial Top 10 unit for his team to be legit contenders. That's just what I see. Will be hard to afford all of that. It will take some great picks in the draft and great coaching.

 

[skinsdad62]

The afford part is foolish . We have and will have plenty of money

 

[Sharkinva]

No Shark, don't put words into my mouth. Obviously we don't know how good these guys are going to be. But yes, I think several of these guys have the potential to be at least as good as Kirk. KC has played well this year for the most part...and I am leaning towards just giving him the contract and possibly settling for 6-7 years of "on the cusp" with him. But the FO will have to surround him with above average talent at the WR and RB and build the defense into a perennial Top 10 unit for his team to be legit contenders. That's just what I see. Will be hard to afford all of that. It will take some great picks in the draft and great coaching.

Well I would HOPE the front office would have plans to surround who ever is playing QB with above average talent and try to build the defense. I mean its not as if we had Wentz at QB it would afford us the luxury of putting Al Roker at the Z WR position on Sundays.

 

[Sleepy T]

The afford part is foolish . We have and will have plenty of money

Ok...So why did we let D-Jax and Pierre hit FA then?? We are missing them badly this year.

 

[Sharkinva]

Seriously though.. the Kirk has to have above average talent comment smacks of well she is cute, for a chunky girl logic.

And right now I bet Kirk would buy you dinner and watch your kids for a month if you gave him two AVERAGE WRs and an AVERAGE RB to work with. Hell above average might get your car note paid for a while.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

No Shark, don't put words into my mouth. Obviously we don't know how good these guys are going to be. But yes, I think several of these guys have the potential to be at least as good as Kirk. KC has played well this year for the most part...and I am leaning towards just giving him the contract and possibly settling for 6-7 years of "on the cusp" with him. But the FO will have to surround him with above average talent at the WR and RB and build the defense into a perennial Top 10 unit for his team to be legit contenders. That's just what I see. Will be hard to afford all of that. It will take some great picks in the draft and great coaching.

Good post. However to clarify they should be primarily building through the draft and not free agency (as most successful teams do). Don't care who is QB - if the Redskins take the approach of trying to improve the team primarily via high priced, popular name FAs it will likely be a failure. When has this approach ever worked for the Redskins?

The cap goes up every season & Allen is supposedly a cap genius so they will figure it out. If they have the sense to sign Cousins to a long term deal they can structure his salary so that it won't hit that hard next season. Get healthy, perhaps dump Pryor & others, have a few good picks & this team should be pretty damn good. Health is the key & you can't really control that - just have to hope for the best.

BTW - these savior QBs like Prescott & Watson didn't turn their teams around on their own. They are both surrounded by tons of talent. My guess is that if either were say playing for the Browns they would not be near as good (not a knock on them - just pointing out that talent is needed all over - not just at QB).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Ok...So why did we let D-Jax and Pierre hit FA then?? We are missing them badly this year.

Good question. For starters Jackson isn't doing that great rt now. Beyond that they could have at least retained one - instead they signed Pryor who has been a massive bust so far. The main issue there is a poor decision - not the $$. BTW - from all accts the Redskins FO never even talked to either Jackson or Garcon - stupid if that is true.