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Fighting....Place in the NHL or no?

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What say you fans?

The latest incident being Pittsburgh's Aaron Asham basically knocking out Washington's Jay Beagle.
Of course, the big story there, is Asham doing the "its over" and "go to sleep" gestures to the crowd afterwards.
Kudos for Asham for realizing it was not a classy thing to do, and he apologized, and sounded sincere about it.

This may sound strange coming from a female, but I DO believe there is a place for fighting in the NHL. It really does serve a purpose. And contrary to popular belief, there is generally a respect among NHL enforcers, and many unwritten and unspoken rules that they abide by when going about their business.

Hockey by its nature is a very emotional game. It's what makes it what it is. It's what helps give the league parity. Yes, I said PARITY. Name me another sport that relies on emotion so much, that even a very mediocre team can outplay, and just pummel a much more talented team, simply because they are fired up, emotional, and just want it so bad they can taste it? Sure, it happens in other sports too, but outside of hockey, it's more the exception.....in the NHL, its pretty much the rule.

And what more emotional stirring can there be than a good ol' fashioned slugfest to get players, their teams, and their fans going? Not only that, but the fighting portion and its enforcers help to regulate many of the cheap shotting, coward play, and general weasel behavior that some players in the NHL would go rampant with if there were no fighting and enforcers to make sure they stay honest. And hey, fans, its not like fighting is the ENTIRE NHL. Not like every game features fights and that's whats being promoted....but it does serve a purpose, and it is exciting for fans.

With the NHL being extra sensitive to head shots and concussions, it is understandable that fighting is now in the cross hairs, because really, you don't take many more direct shots to the head than that way. But still, enforcers know what they sign on for when they take on those roles. Many know that if it weren't for their ability to fight, they wouldn't even BE in the NHL. Though, to the NHL's credit, and player's talents, many enforcers nowadays actually CAN play the game. Gone are the days of pure goons who are basically thugs on skates (though a few remnants still remain).

Heck, if you think about it, the fact that fighters make their way on to teams suggests the NHL itself understand the necessity of these guys, and the utter chaos that would ensue should non-fighting cheap shot artists be allowed to run the show. So, it just seems a bit hypocritical to me if the NHL should pursue the removal of fighting, saying it has no place in the game. Uh huh...do that, and cowardly play by sniveling little men would rule the day. Guaranteed they steal the spotlight from the "stars" you so desperately want to give it to by removing the enforcers....

Anyways, bottom line:
I believe fighting still belongs in the NHL. Its not only a tradition, but has proven itself useful in more ways than one. It is a good thing that most enforcers do have respect for each other and the game, though regulation on the NHL's part for excessive actions resulting during and after fights most certainly is welcome.

The NHL wants their stars to be stars. Hence the many rule changes that reward more skillful play, rather than sloppy grabbing and interfering. That's fine. I am on board with that, obviously. But good enforcement by players themselves is a key component to be sure that the star players are allowed to be just that.

And back to the Aaron Asham incident: most enforcers go about their business, then march on over to the penalty box, and let the fans and their teammates exude their emotions from there. Asham didn't do that. He took things to extremes, but again, he called himself on it, and showed that enforcers can be classy and remorseful in the face of uncalled for actions.
 
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(sorry to answer a long post with such a short answer)

I second that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with anything Asham did. From completely knocking Beagle out, to the "go to sleep" gesture.
 

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I was sure there would be a link to this poster's article on some sports site following this post.
 

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While I disagree with someone who is solely an enforcer, I am completely behind fighting in the NHL.
 
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I don't think there is. I enjoy watching them, sure, but I still don't see what it does for the sport. It's just another venue through which a player can get injured. The clock stops during a fight, nobody can score a goal, it has no direct bearing on the outcome of the game, so why is it allowed? You don't win puck possession from a fight. There is no "hockey" benefit to fighting.

But you can lose a player for 6 weeks with a broken hand, longer with a broken jaw or orbital, or for a really long time with a concussion. That does have a bearing on what happens, because for those 6+ weeks, a team is without that player's particular skill set.

Knowing what we know about head injuries, I really think we need to reevaluate fighting's place in the sport. Take out fighting, and I sincerely believe we will see an improvement of the quality of the sport. Fights stop the flow of the game. Fights knock players out with injuries. Fights are a distraction. I think they need to be banned.
 

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It was a very tragic off-season with three guys who careers were defined mainly by their fists passing away which obviously puts fighting in the cross-hairs. I'm no fan of staged fights and/or having a designated goon on your team and I hope that they go the way of the do-do bird.

People look to the Olympics and World Hockey Championships and point out that there is no fighting during these tourneys and the hockey is very exciting and entertaining (ergo,
you don't need fighting to generate excitement and entertainment). However, those are best-on-best tournaments made up of guys who very rarely fight as well as guys that are known for taking liberties with other players.

Having said that, I really think we are moving towards elimination of fighting in the NHL. I don't know how long it will take, but I wouldn't surprised if there are no longer fights in the NHL in 10-15 years.
 

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I was sure there would be a link to this poster's article on some sports site following this post.



Nope...no link.
Just something I've been thinking about, and wanted to post to see how others felt about it.

If it were an article, I would certainly give the proper credit. Not too hard with search engines to find articles....I've caught many a poster red-handed posting stuff then claiming it's theirs....why not just give credit? Seriously...

But this is just mine. In fact, I am new here, but you will soon find I tend to post quite large postings. :smile:
 
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And one more point: fighting has been in the league for a long time, and yet there had been a steady and significant decrease of respect between players in recent years especially. Cheap shot artists do run rampant. However, respect is back on the rise and cheap shots are starting to phase out little by little this year. And it has nothing to do with fighting. It's because the league is disciplining dirty play. Recent experience has shown us fairly definitively that strong discipline from the league is several hundred percent more effective in curbing dirty play than fighting. It's done more in a half a month than fighting has in a half a century.
 

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Nope...no link.
Just something I've been thinking about, and wanted to post to see how others felt about it.

If it were an article, I would certainly give the proper credit. Not too hard with search engines to find articles....I've caught many a poster red-handed posting stuff then claiming it's theirs....why not just give credit? Seriously...

But this is just mine. In fact, I am new here, but you will soon find I tend to post quite large postings. :smile:

:welcome:
 

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AND ANOTHER THING!

Welcome to the board, Sandy. :wave:

Hehehe...thanks Darkstone...

Hey, you and I are on different viewpoints on the fighting, but much respect and props to your reasoning and presentation....you almost convinced me....ALMOST... lol
 
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Hehehe...thanks Darkstone...

Hey, you and I are on different viewpoints on the fighting, but much respect and props to your reasoning and presentation....you almost convinced me....ALMOST... lol

I am the smartest person on SportsHoopla, so... :rolleyes:

Seriously, though, I turn everything into a numbers game, and the fighting argument is no different for me. :nerd:
 

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And one more point: fighting has been in the league for a long time, and yet there had been a steady and significant decrease of respect between players in recent years especially. Cheap shot artists do run rampant. However, respect is back on the rise and cheap shots are starting to phase out little by little this year. And it has nothing to do with fighting. It's because the league is disciplining dirty play. Recent experience has shown us fairly definitively that strong discipline from the league is several hundred percent more effective in curbing dirty play than fighting. It's done more in a half a month than fighting has in a half a century.

Darkstone makes a very good point here...It's the performance (or rather lack thereof) of Colin Campbell and his faulty "Wheel of Justice" that permitted bad feelings to fester and had players seeking retribution on the ice due to the league dropping the ball with the inconsistent decision-making in the area of supplemental discipline. Not only is Shanny doing a very good job thus far, but the transparency and explanation of how he arrives at his decisions is a fantastic improvement compared to his predecessor.
 
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Darkstone makes a very good point here...It's the performance (or rather lack thereof) of Colin Campbell and his faulty "Wheel of Justice" that permitted bad feelings to fester and had players seeking retribution on the ice due to the league dropping the ball with the inconsistent decision-making in the area of supplemental discipline. Not only is Shanny doing a very good job thus far, but the transparency and explanation of how he arrives at his decisions is a fantastic improvement compared to his predecessor.

Thank you, sir. :nerd:
 

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And one more point: fighting has been in the league for a long time, and yet there had been a steady and significant decrease of respect between players in recent years especially. Cheap shot artists do run rampant. However, respect is back on the rise and cheap shots are starting to phase out little by little this year. And it has nothing to do with fighting. It's because the league is disciplining dirty play. Recent experience has shown us fairly definitively that strong discipline from the league is several hundred percent more effective in curbing dirty play than fighting. It's done more in a half a month than fighting has in a half a century.

Agreed. This isn't the Wild West anymore when there was 1 ref and there might have been 1 camera recording the game. There is no need for players to "police themselves" anymore and there really hasnt been for a long time. It's just something Don Cherry likes to spew once in a while which some people actually believe.

Fighting is as necessary for the game as it is entertaining. No more, no less. Get rid of it or keep it. I really don't care either way. If you like it because it's entertaining, tradition, part of the culture of the game etc., then fine. But please don't sugarcoat it and say that it's required to avoid cheap shots. There are so many flaws in that logic that I wouldn't even know where to begin.
 
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Nope...no link.
Just something I've been thinking about, and wanted to post to see how others felt about it.

If it were an article, I would certainly give the proper credit. Not too hard with search engines to find articles....I've caught many a poster red-handed posting stuff then claiming it's theirs....why not just give credit? Seriously...

But this is just mine. In fact, I am new here, but you will soon find I tend to post quite large postings. :smile:


nothing wrong with that as long as it's either entertaining or informative.

I hate long winded posts where I wished I would,ve waited for the movie to be made of it.
 

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Hehehe...thanks Darkstone...

Hey, you and I are on different viewpoints on the fighting, but much respect and props to your reasoning and presentation....you almost convinced me....ALMOST... lol

Yes welcome to the board. And let me be the first to ask you if that is your real picture and if you really are a chick?

(just kidding with you! ;))
 

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I guess my main concern would be the cheap play. I still believe that cheap shot players are kept in check through fear of what might happen to them...

Now, if the new "sheriff" can find ways to keep them in check, then yes, fighting wouldn't be as necessary.

And sure...a decade or so from now, fighting may no longer be part of the game...I can only hope the sport hasn't become a joke by then, however....because in some areas I can see where even HITTING is going to get removed.
And I seriously don't want the NHL to turn into basketball on ice..
 

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nothing wrong with that as long as it's either entertaining or informative.

I hate long winded posts where I wished I would,ve waited for the movie to be made of it.


I'd like to think I am both !! LOL...

And as for the person asking if that was me in the pic...yes...its an older pic of me...from around 2009, but yes, its me. And women love hockey too!!
 
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