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[SteelersPride]

Think the point was missed. Back to selective comments from me. Apologies.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Well, to drastically disagree...I'm not suggesting the Raiders sign a banged up aging vet...which btw..is exactly what they just did, granted he's "only" 27, but he's ran like he was 35 for two years now. Rather, I'm saying if cheap depth is the goal, why not sign Ameer? Why not sign Duke? Why not sign TJ Yeldon? Get someone who could at least contribute in some facet of the game??

The hypocrisy is almost hilarious to me that I get laughed at for suggesting AP or Gurley, who both were actually at least semi productive last year, yet the prevailing thought that keeps coming back is "he's done" "he's got nothing left" yet this guy, who has NEVER had anything to begin with, let alone have any of it left, gets defended.

I believe this is the answer to these questions…

Barber: 482
Peterson: 1
Gurley: 0
Duke: 73
Yeldon: 39
Ameer: 572

so you may have a point with Ameer…but not the others.



***numbers are career special teams snap counts***

 

[TREFF]

I believe this is the answer to these questions…

Barber: 482
Peterson: 1
Gurley: 0
Duke: 73
Yeldon: 39
Ameer: 572

so you may have a point with Ameer…but not the others.



***numbers are career special teams snap counts***

But the others actually have something to contribute offensively..and again, at no time did I ever suggest AP or Gurley in this scenario, it was just assumed that's who I was referring to.

As to AP ..at 34-35 he basically matched Barbers best season ever...no f-ing way he's "done" and Barber still has something to offer...basically the same with Gurley, although swap out being old with doing it on one leg.

 

[TREFF]

I know this wasn't directed at me. But I will chime in anyway.

You're looking for a used car for your kid to drive to and from work/school.
Car A
There's a nice 2008 BMW with 250K miles since the previous owner was an Uber driver.
You stumble across his social media profile and see him doing burnouts and racing up and down streets.
A few minor mechanical things have been replaced. But it's still operating fine.

Car B
Then you find a 2012 Honda Civic with 50K miles. Its up there in age too.
But it was seldom used by an older couple who religiously took it in for service.
Acceleration is a problem. It's not flashy. But you will trust it gets your kid where they need to go.

I take it Treff is slapping down money for the Beemer.

If the Beemer has proven to get me where I'm going vs the Civic who's never gotten anyone anywhere...yes.

The comparison is slightly flawed as in reality,, the Civic still accomplishes the goal, efficiently even, while Barber has accomplished nothing since 2018. AP at 34-35 basically matched Barbers best season ever..both years...as a reserve.

In the real world I'll take the Civic everyday, in the NFL, if the Beemer ran for more yards, better ypc, as recently as just last year? Damn Skippy I'll take the beemer, regardless of how many miles it has on it, because it's still producing.

 

[TREFF]

Sorry if I went off the rails (again)..it just really boggles my mind how guys who have proven , sometimes on multiple occasions, that they have nothing left to offer outside of "veteran presence " get chances and it's OK to sign those guys, but old man AP, who still gets the job done and has that same presence...that's just crazy talk.

I would give AP his 1.3 million if for no other reason than for every other RB on my roster to watch and learn from him. Each and every yard he gets is just bonus. Who the hell is learning anything from Peyton Barber? Not Jacobs and Drake, that's for sure.

 

[eaglesnut]

Sorry if I went off the rails (again)..it just really boggles my mind how guys who have proven , sometimes on multiple occasions, that they have nothing left to offer outside of "veteran presence " get chances and it's OK to sign those guys, but old man AP, who still gets the job done and has that same presence...that's just crazy talk.

I would give AP his 1.3 million if for no other reason than for every other RB on my roster to watch and learn from him. Each and every yard he gets is just bonus. Who the hell is learning anything from Peyton Barber? Not Jacobs and Drake, that's for sure.

I thought you were being dramatic, but here's Peyton's YPC by year of his career

2016 - 4.1
2017 - 3.9
2018 - 3.7
2019 - 3.1
2020 - 2.7

You might not be raging hard enough.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

 

[SteelersPride]

Tyrodszn#
Always felt he was fairly decent. Hes older now, shame. His mobility was an asset and WAS careful with the ball.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Sorry if I went off the rails (again)..it just really boggles my mind how guys who have proven , sometimes on multiple occasions, that they have nothing left to offer outside of "veteran presence " get chances and it's OK to sign those guys, but old man AP, who still gets the job done and has that same presence...that's just crazy talk.

I would give AP his 1.3 million if for no other reason than for every other RB on my roster to watch and learn from him. Each and every yard he gets is just bonus. Who the hell is learning anything from Peyton Barber? Not Jacobs and Drake, that's for sure.

I thought you were being dramatic, but here's Peyton's YPC by year of his career

2016 - 4.1
2017 - 3.9
2018 - 3.7
2019 - 3.1
2020 - 2.7

You might not be raging hard enough.

Again… offense has nothing to do with Barber signing with the Raiders.

I don’t think anyone believes Barber is a better RB than AP or Gurley…or there to cut into Jacobs’ carries or Drake’s catches.

I assume he can and will teach young special teamers how to be good special teamers. Something AP and Gurley definitely cannot do.

 

[SteelersPride]

Again… offense has nothing to do with Barber signing with the Raiders.

I don’t think anyone believes Barber is a better RB than AP or Gurley…or there to cut into Jacobs’ carries or Drake’s catches.

I assume he can and will teach young special teamers how to be good special teamers. Something AP and Gurley definitely cannot do.

Remember when reid sat shady mccoy in the superbowl? He wanted an extra d lineman to rotate. So he sat a rb. He dressed darwin thompson I believe, because he played special teams, shady did not. Depth rbs often have different roles.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

He dressed darwin thompson I believe, because he played special teams, shady did not. Depth rbs often have different roles.

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[TREFF]

Again… offense has nothing to do with Barber signing with the Raiders.

I don’t think anyone believes Barber is a better RB than AP or Gurley…or there to cut into Jacobs’ carries or Drake’s catches.

I assume he can and will teach young special teamers how to be good special teamers. Something AP and Gurley definitely cannot do.

And again, better special teams type RB's out there that can do not only that..but actually contribute if needed too.
There is zero way to spin Peyton Barber as a good signing

 

[Barilko]

The only Peyton I need works in my local Barber shop

 

[TKOSpikes]

And again, better special teams type RB's out there that can do not only that..but actually contribute if needed too.
There is zero way to spin Peyton Barber as a good signing

it’s apples and oranges.

AP and Gurley have a combined 1 special teams snap.

Ameer hasn’t really knocked anyone’s socks off as a rusher either. It’s personal preference at this level. Maybe locker room aura. Maybe past relationships with positional coaches. I don’t know. But “offense” has nothing to do with it.

If Jacobs gets hurt, then they might knock on AP or Gurley’s door. Drake gets hurt, maybe they look for Duke. Be it Barber or Ameer, I don’t think either will effect on those scenarios.

 

[TREFF]

it’s apples and oranges.

AP and Gurley have a combined 1 special teams snap.

Ameer hasn’t really knocked anyone’s socks off as a rusher either. It’s personal preference at this level. Maybe locker room aura. Maybe past relationships with positional coaches. I don’t know. But “offense” has nothing to do with it.

If Jacobs gets hurt, then they might knock on AP or Gurley’s door. Drake gets hurt, maybe they look for Duke. Be it Barber or Ameer, I don’t think either will effect on those scenarios.

But it's not really..it's just not apples and oranges, its RB's who have something to contribute, and those who don't. Which, sure ok, if those who can produce are apples, and those who can't are oranges,, ok..but now, convince me why the heck you want an orange when there's a bushel of apples?

And if Jacobs and or Drake go down, there's no one out there that's going to be a difference maker, not AP, not Ameer, not Gurley, but that's the case with damned near every team. I'm talking about a 2 minute drill, Drake gets a cramp, Jacobs is winded, Richard inactive because he sucks at ST, who is gonna be a better help to the team? Peyton Barber? Or an accomplished receiving back like Ameer or Yeldon?
currently Renfrow is the punt returner, and Drake is the kick returner. A guy like Ameer removes those valuable pieces from that dangerous situation, and takes their place, and is one of the best in the league to boot. Barber only covers kicks and punts.
Why did Patterson stay in Washington and Barber get cut? Because Patterson is going to return kicks and Barber doesn't. Ron Rivera gets it.

Can't call apples and oranges when it's the exact same thing, exact same position.

Bottom line, Barber brings nothing to the table that virtually every other available RB out there can, and virtually all of them bring something else that Barber just doesn't have on his toolkit.

Horrid signing by Gruden, waste of time and money

 

[TKOSpikes]

But it's not really..it's just not apples and oranges, its RB's who have something to contribute, and those who don't. Which, sure ok, if those who can produce are apples, and those who can't are oranges,, ok..but now, convince me why the heck you want an orange when there's a bushel of apples?

And if Jacobs and or Drake go down, there's no one out there that's going to be a difference maker, not AP, not Ameer, not Gurley, but that's the case with damned near every team. I'm talking about a 2 minute drill, Drake gets a cramp, Jacobs is winded, Richard inactive because he sucks at ST, who is gonna be a better help to the team? Peyton Barber? Or an accomplished receiving back like Ameer or Yeldon?
currently Renfrow is the punt returner, and Drake is the kick returner. A guy like Ameer removes those valuable pieces from that dangerous situation, and takes their place, and is one of the best in the league to boot. Barber only covers kicks and punts.
Why did Patterson stay in Washington and Barber get cut? Because Patterson is going to return kicks and Barber doesn't. Ron Rivera gets it.

Can't call apples and oranges when it's the exact same thing, exact same position.

Bottom line, Barber brings nothing to the table that virtually every other available RB out there can, and virtually all of them bring something else that Barber just doesn't have on his toolkit.

Horrid signing by Gruden, waste of time and money

I don’t think a future possible two minute drill cramp is high up on reasons to sign a player.

But Barber’s contributions in that scenario are exponentially greater than what AP and Gurley and Yeldon and Duke could provide on S/T, which is the majority of the job for RB3’s. Because he does bring something to that table. Something the others (less Ameer) have never brought.

I watched Yeldon stink up Buffalo. Not sure why you’re stumping for him. He’s terrible and skinny.

Ameer has twelve more career catches than Barber. Ameer’s career long run is 36 yards…Barber’s 44. Ameer’s career best total yards is 780…Barber’s 963.
I think your personal preference is speaking. I don’t see a difference.

 

[TREFF]

On a semi related note..
Duke gets signed to JAX practice squad...a team who recognizes that without their #1 pick they needed a similar guy. First move Urban Meyer has made that I appluad.

And the Ravens, who publicly are perfectly content with their RB depth chart, just hosted LeVeon Bell for a visit. They also attempted to claim Freeman off waivers before the Panthers beat them to it. Someone is getting added there

 

[TREFF]

I don’t think a future possible two minute drill cramp is high up on reasons to sign a player.

But Barber’s contributions in that scenario are exponentially greater than what AP and Gurley and Yeldon and Duke could provide on S/T, which is the majority of the job for RB3’s. Because he does bring something to that table. Something the others (less Ameer) have never brought.

I watched Yeldon stink up Buffalo. Not sure why you’re stumping for him. He’s terrible and skinny.

Ameer has twelve more career catches than Barber. Ameer’s career long run is 36 yards…Barber’s 44. Ameer’s career best total yards is 780…Barber’s 963.
I think your personal preference is speaking. I don’t see a difference.

Raw career totals mean little. What have you done for me lately? Abdullah that past two years averages over 5 yards a carry, and over 7 per reception, Barber is under 3 and barely above 5.
Simple translation, Barber has no playmaking ability left, Abdullah does.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Raw career totals mean little. What have you done for me lately? Abdullah that past two years averages over 5 yards a carry, and over 7 per reception, Barber is under 3 and barely above 5.
Simple translation, Barber has no playmaking ability left, Abdullah does.

31 carries to 248. Ypc? C’mon. Career numbers mean WAY more than this comparison.

23 catches for 146 to 20 catches for 127. Not much ability separation there last two years.

Career fumbles… Ameer 9 on 358 carries… Barber 4 on 645 carries. Maybe Gruden doesn’t want that two minute drill cramp to end in a fumble?

 

[TREFF]

31 carries to 248. Ypc? C’mon. Career numbers mean WAY more than this comparison.

23 catches for 146 to 20 catches for 127. Not much ability separation there last two years.

Career fumbles… Ameer 9 on 358 carries… Barber 4 on 645 carries. Maybe Gruden doesn’t want that two minute drill cramp to end in a fumble?

Not when most of Barbers "good" production lies around 3 years in the past and were talking about what can you do for me on Sunday. Recent history matters much more than anything built up in '18 or earlier. 19 more yards on 3 more catches? That's over 6 yards each, difference between 1st and ten and punting. The difference between 3rd and 1 or third and long. I'll give ya, that raw numbers wise it's a small little difference. But, the little things matter. And to be fair, if we wanna go with career numbers, we certainly don't want to stack up Barber vs AP, Gurley, Bell..even Freeman...hell toss Gore in there too, he hadn't retired and I'd prefer him on the goaline over Barber too.

You got me on fumbles though..that's been a thorn for him since his college days.
Likely cost us one of the chances we had at being a relevant team in the NCAA. Finished 9-4, if he could hold onto the ball, likely would've been 11-2 playing in a major bowl. And been shit ever since