Expectations for Trevor Siemian

[xBxtxDx]

Right. I could see what you are talking about being what made them decide to do this. Like you said it is not just about hydration but the right kind of hydration to really keep the body functioning at peak physical level. I'd be interested to see what they figured out when comparing players and what they need.

I will say at least in the first game our team played its best football in the 4th quarter so maybe the proper hydration played a role in that being the case.

I was wondering the same thing and definitely something to note for future games and how they perform later in the game. Especially the game coming up in Tampa Bay when it will still be hot and very humid.

 

[cdumler7]

I was wondering the same thing and definitely something to note for future games and how they perform later in the game. Especially the game coming up in Tampa Bay when it will still be hot and very humid.

Historically we have not done well with the early season games in Florida partly because of the heat. So yeah will definitely be interesting to see if that is still an issue if they have figured out the hydration side of things. Definitely a tough first quarter of the season for the Broncos. Colts have won something like 8 of the last 9 games against the Broncos. Cincy is our first road game against a playoff caliber team. Then Tampa looks like they finally found their QB. They also look pretty stout up front to stop the run. If we can somehow get out of these first 4 games at 3-1 man I will actually start thinking a repeat is a real option.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Historically we have not done well with the early season games in Florida partly because of the heat. So yeah will definitely be interesting to see if that is still an issue if they have figured out the hydration side of things. Definitely a tough first quarter of the season for the Broncos. Colts have won something like 8 of the last 9 games against the Broncos. Cincy is our first road game against a playoff caliber team. Then Tampa looks like they finally found their QB. They also look pretty stout up front to stop the run. If we can somehow get out of these first 4 games at 3-1 man I will actually start thinking a repeat is a real option.

The other night I was talking to a Chargers fan (I know, I know, but I live in a city semi-full of them) and the discussion of Denver's "momentous" home field advantage came up due to the altitude. He actually was becoming a bit indignant about it till I pointed out that Denver was not the only team to have a home field advantage like that and that many teams enjoyed that. Tampa, the Jags, and Dolphins with the weather conditions early in the season, the Northern teams during the later part of the season, the Chiefs, Seahawks, and other noisy stadiums, and the East Coast teams when West Coast teams visit. Point being take any advantage that you can get and their is something to the way Denver has been trying to keep players healthy. Look at other teams and the number of season ending injuries as compared to the Broncos over the past couple of seasons. Yes, we have had some, but they just do not seem as prevalent with the Broncos since they have started looking into different ways of stretching and working the players out. Make no mistake, a huge factor last year down the stretch was how healthy they were.

 

[cdumler7]

The other night I was talking to a Chargers fan (I know, I know, but I live in a city semi-full of them) and the discussion of Denver's "momentous" home field advantage came up due to the altitude. He actually was becoming a bit indignant about it till I pointed out that Denver was not the only team to have a home field advantage like that and that many teams enjoyed that. Tampa, the Jags, and Dolphins with the weather conditions early in the season, the Northern teams during the later part of the season, the Chiefs, Seahawks, and other noisy stadiums, and the East Coast teams when West Coast teams visit. Point being take any advantage that you can get and their is something to the way Denver has been trying to keep players healthy. Look at other teams and the number of season ending injuries as compared to the Broncos over the past couple of seasons. Yes, we have had some, but they just do not seem as prevalent with the Broncos since they have started looking into different ways of stretching and working the players out. Make no mistake, a huge factor last year down the stretch was how healthy they were.

Exactly! That is one of the things I love about our team and this FO/Ownership. We are not the richest team by any means but you see the devotion to actually putting the best product on the field. I mean our new facility if you haven't been it is incredible. I went last year when they first opened it and man it is top notch. Then you see these things such as bringing in outside research to help with nutrition, flexibility, hydration, and even sleeping habits. And players really seem to love playing for this organization. Yes Elway can be tough in negotiations but beyond that players seem to just respect what this team is about.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Exactly! That is one of the things I love about our team and this FO/Ownership. We are not the richest team by any means but you see the devotion to actually putting the best product on the field. I mean our new facility if you haven't been it is incredible. I went last year when they first opened it and man it is top notch. Then you see these things such as bringing in outside research to help with nutrition, flexibility, hydration, and even sleeping habits. And players really seem to love playing for this organization. Yes Elway can be tough in negotiations but beyond that players seem to just respect what this team is about.

That is one of the things that I am enjoying about Elway though. His negotiations may be rough, but they are fair and he seems to draw a line in the sand and refuses to go above it. As much as the players do not like that, it keeps us from overspending and paying out massive contracts to the wrong players (I am still unsure of what to think about Von's contract and it has had me perplexed for months on if it is absolutely worth sinking that much money into him, but then I remember the Super Bowl and I relax a little about it).

Speaking of contracts and the such, what do you think the team will do about the CB situation that is rapidly approaching next year? Do we let Kayvon walk? Do we let Talib walk and attempt to keep Kayvon, switching Roby into Talib's full time spot? Would Kayvon be happy with still being the third CB when he could possibly start for another team? How do you feel about Doss? Do we attempt to draft another CB next year such as Desmond King (my personal favorite) and let Kayvon walk and roll the dice with Talib one more year? Do we stand pat with Okung and Stephenson with Sambrailo as the swing, thus allowing us to go back to a BPA approach?

Sorry, my mind is already into next offseason and we just started this season.

 

[cdumler7]

That is one of the things that I am enjoying about Elway though. His negotiations may be rough, but they are fair and he seems to draw a line in the sand and refuses to go above it. As much as the players do not like that, it keeps us from overspending and paying out massive contracts to the wrong players (I am still unsure of what to think about Von's contract and it has had me perplexed for months on if it is absolutely worth sinking that much money into him, but then I remember the Super Bowl and I relax a little about it).

Speaking of contracts and the such, what do you think the team will do about the CB situation that is rapidly approaching next year? Do we let Kayvon walk? Do we let Talib walk and attempt to keep Kayvon, switching Roby into Talib's full time spot? Would Kayvon be happy with still being the third CB when he could possibly start for another team? How do you feel about Doss? Do we attempt to draft another CB next year such as Desmond King (my personal favorite) and let Kayvon walk and roll the dice with Talib one more year? Do we stand pat with Okung and Stephenson with Sambrailo as the swing, thus allowing us to go back to a BPA approach?

Sorry, my mind is already into next offseason and we just started this season.

I tell people all the time that when looking at Contracts and Cap Space you have to look 2-3 years into the future to be able to tell how good or bad a deal is. You can't just look at this season or at the average per year of the deal because it is so easy to backload deals.

If I were Elway this is what I would do. Talib would be gone after this season. He has done his job on the field well but the headache that he has caused off of it plus to me the suspension he might have will be for next year would make it worth it to just get rid of him. Saves us a decent chunk of money with not a lot of dead money. I would then go ahead and put that towards Kayvon and Roby. Won't cover both of them but I would go ahead and do it. Kayvon is a valuable piece of our Special Teams unit plus has shown decent/good growth as a Corner in his 4 years with us. Roby has proven himself enough that I think he would do just fine moving into the starting role. I would also sell it to Kayvon that being our 3rd Corner means lots of playing time on the defense plus he would still have his special teams role so would get plenty of snaps. Maybe just give him a 2-year deal so that if he wants he can go fight for a starting job elsewhere.

Now I am a big fan of Doss but I wouldn't be upset if the Broncos went ahead and used a high draft pick on the secondary/Corner spot. Part of our great success has been that our secondary is the best in the NFL and I wouldn't mind keeping that going. Gives us some cheap options behind Harris and Roby to keep that unit together. Also why I would go ahead and start working on contract negotiations with Roby. Can get him cheaper after this season with a year or two left on his deal. So both Roby and Harris would be locked in for bargain contracts compared to their skill level.

OT position all depends on how the rest of the season goes. I've talked to plenty of Chiefs and Seahawks fans since we got these 2 guys and they have all said that they will have moments of greatness that make you think they have it all clicking followed up by a nagging injury or just terrible play on the field. So need to see more. Love what I saw week 1 but need to see how the rest of the year goes. Honestly though even if they do well I would still go ahead and keep drafting mid-late round guys at the OT position. OL takes 2-3 years anymore to get them pro ready for the OT position. Build up better depth and have a young guy ready to step in.

 

[58crash]

Draft Needs DT TE DE DE CB QB

 

[xBxtxDx]

I tell people all the time that when looking at Contracts and Cap Space you have to look 2-3 years into the future to be able to tell how good or bad a deal is. You can't just look at this season or at the average per year of the deal because it is so easy to backload deals.

I agree wholeheartedly. I just am leary of the overall numbers and leary of Von when in truth in a year or two the deal we have with Von will likely look like a bargain. Also, Von seems to have grown up a little from the pre-Ware days.

 

[cdumler7]

I agree wholeheartedly. I just am leary of the overall numbers and leary of Von when in truth in a year or two the deal we have with Von will likely look like a bargain. Also, Von seems to have grown up a little from the pre-Ware days.

Yeah the Von deal while big honestly I don't mind it too much just knowing our QB contract situation. If we had to pay a top QB along with Von's contract I would be a lot more worried about the quality of team we can form around the 2. Also I would say Von has paid off well for our team for the most part at least since he got his life in order. And in week 1 we saw him make one of the biggest plays of the game getting that sack on 3rd down late in the game. That is what he gets paid to do and he did it well. Got close quite a bit even with them doubling him most of the game. Unfortunately a hands to the face penalty really ruined the chance to say that Von was our closer in that game.

At this point Elway has done well with our contracts. Probably the only really bad one that I can remember was that of Clady and that was mostly because of injury. Can't really fault a GM when a player just all of a sudden becomes injury prone.

Maybe even more than that is the fact that Elway has been able to do so well of loading up draft picks to mix in with our high paid players. I mean he is getting some nice Comp Picks while many of those players go and stink playing for their new team. Every one of our draft picks made the team this year plus an UDFA so again very cheap contracts to help make those big contracts possible. I would add then finding UDFA talents like Anderson, Barrett, Anderson (Zaire), Harris, Norwood, Taylor, and Fowler. All decent contributors to our team in the past and so far this year. Plus I think we have 10 draft picks in the upcoming draft with 5 of those being in the first 3 rounds.

 

[xBxtxDx]

OT position all depends on how the rest of the season goes. I've talked to plenty of Chiefs and Seahawks fans since we got these 2 guys and they have all said that they will have moments of greatness that make you think they have it all clicking followed up by a nagging injury or just terrible play on the field. So need to see more. Love what I saw week 1 but need to see how the rest of the year goes. Honestly though even if they do well I would still go ahead and keep drafting mid-late round guys at the OT position. OL takes 2-3 years anymore to get them pro ready for the OT position. Build up better depth and have a young guy ready to step in.

I have heard to many times be wary of this or that FA because he takes plays off or is oft injured or is a locker room cancer and such and so on. Yet, almost every FA we have picked up in the Elway years that stays with the team past training camp seems to fit right in and becomes a key cog to the team. There are exceptions, but for the most part this has been true. For the most part FA's come in and just want to excel here. Be it the coaching staff, the training staff, the FO, the locker room, or a combo of it all (I am inclined to think this). Anyway, I will give Stephenson and Okung the benefit of the doubt for now as they are doing well and yes, I am very pleased with the OLine as with everyone else, it was a major cause of concern for me leading up to this game.

Oh, I agree 100% with drafting a OT next year, I just am not sure I want us to use the 1st round pick on one. Well, unless there is a sure fire, cannot miss player there that is BPA and can play immediately. Then yes, I definitely would love us to draft one there.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Draft Needs DT TE DE DE CB QB

If you do not have me on ignore, I would love to hear your thoughts on why you think DT and QB? I completely understand TE and CB, well, at least now, we shall see as the season progresses, but DT and QB? I am fairly certain we will resign Williams next year. We also have Kilgo who they seem to love, Peko on the practice squad, and Taylor pookah'd on IR. Unless there is an absolute stud that falls into our lap, then yes. If Williams moves on, then I totally agree. QB, we have Siemian and Lynch locked up for at least 4 more years, unless you are saying draft a late round development QB for the practice squad?

 

[cdumler7]

I have heard to many times be wary of this or that FA because he takes plays off or is oft injured or is a locker room cancer and such and so on. Yet, almost every FA we have picked up in the Elway years that stays with the team past training camp seems to fit right in and becomes a key cog to the team. There are exceptions, but for the most part this has been true. For the most part FA's come in and just want to excel here. Be it the coaching staff, the training staff, the FO, the locker room, or a combo of it all (I am inclined to think this). Anyway, I will give Stephenson and Okung the benefit of the doubt for now as they are doing well and yes, I am very pleased with the OLine as with everyone else, it was a major cause of concern for me leading up to this game.

Oh, I agree 100% with drafting a OT next year, I just am not sure I want us to use the 1st round pick on one. Well, unless there is a sure fire, cannot miss player there that is BPA and can play immediately. Then yes, I definitely would love us to draft one there.

Right now if I was leaning one way it would be to draft a DE/DT. Yes we used a 2nd on Gotsis but the depth on the DL could use a guy that can play at a high level. Maybe the next position would be a TE. I'm not usually big on getting a TE in round 1 of the draft but a guy like OJ Howard or Jake Butt. Both big bodied TE's and especially Howard just a dynamic threat down the middle of the field as a receiver. He would become our QB's best friend on those key downs and especially around the goal line.

 

[cdumler7]

And you are right that FA's seem to shine well with the Broncos. Whoever heads up our pro scout department needs a ridiculous raise. They have done an incredible job finding not only great talent but perfect fits for our type of system that we want to run.

Now with Okung honestly having watched a decent number of his games with the Seahawks I do think some of his bad rep just comes from that OL having to hold their blocks quite a while and also just not knowing where the QB is going to be. I watched this past weekend Joe Thomas give up a sack but honestly he blocked it beautifully. The problem was the QB had his depth way too deep making it impossible for Thomas to do his job. There was a wide open pocket with 5 yards of space and instead of RGIII stepping up he just hung back 10 yards deep looking for someone to get open. So I did see some of that of just confusion of what the QB might do and where to try and block a DE/LB. In our more pro style offense that we will run I would bet we do see him thrive just knowing he can take his guy to the outside most plays and his QB won't run right into his defender.

Stephenson I saw a mix of everything. The guy is about as athletic as it comes at the position. His technique though was all over the place with the Chiefs. I only saw one play in the opener where I thought he let his technique get out of hand and thankfully he was athletic enough to push his guy just a little to keep him from hitting Siemian. For the most part though a much more improved technique style game for him.

 

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Because Teams will over pay for Sly . IMO he will have a hell of a season and we will wish we picked up his 5th year . Besides I made only one prediction for the year Sly MVP of SB 51

 

[cdumler7]

Because Teams will over pay for Sly . IMO he will have a hell of a season and we will wish we picked up his 5th year . Besides I made only one prediction for the year Sly MVP of SB 51

If teams are willing to overpay for a NT then that is why teams just continue to be in the dumps and why the Broncos can continue to retool with getting those nice Comp Picks.

Honestly if I were the Broncos I would let Sly walk at the end of the year unless things just work out perfect. Kilgo actually showed better last week than Sly in my opinion. He held the point of impact much better and was one of the few on the DL to get some penetration. Peko is a guy we liked so much that we stuck him on our 53-man roster because we were afraid of losing him. So I think the NT position is covered. I would rather see us spend money to bring in a good veteran DE/DT. A guy that I think would thrive with the Broncos that will be a FA next year is Kendall Reyes who was drafted by the Chargers. When allowed to be in an attacking style defense this guy is outstanding.

 

[CEH]

Because Teams will over pay for Sly . IMO he will have a hell of a season and we will wish we picked up his 5th year . Besides I made only one prediction for the year Sly MVP of SB 51

WHat about QB? Why a QB?


No you made two predictions. Broncos in the Super Bowl and Sly MVP.

 

[CEH]

If teams are willing to overpay for a NT then that is why teams just continue to be in the dumps and why the Broncos can continue to retool with getting those nice Comp Picks.

Honestly if I were the Broncos I would let Sly walk at the end of the year unless things just work out perfect. Kilgo actually showed better last week than Sly in my opinion. He held the point of impact much better and was one of the few on the DL to get some penetration. Peko is a guy we liked so much that we stuck him on our 53-man roster because we were afraid of losing him. So I think the NT position is covered. I would rather see us spend money to bring in a good veteran DE/DT. A guy that I think would thrive with the Broncos that will be a FA next year is Kendall Reyes who was drafted by the Chargers. When allowed to be in an attacking style defense this guy is outstanding.

If the team does not pick up their 5th year option , odds are the player is gone after the season.

 

[cdumler7]

If the team does not pick up their 5th year option , odds are the player is gone after the season.

This situation is a bit different. There is no NT designation so he gets lumped in with all DT's. So the cost to bring him back would be around $7 million for that one season. Now they have the money but honestly they could probably get him signed to a 2-3 year deal at $4 million a season. So could almost pay for 2-years worth of service for the price of that one. Right now though I do think they like what they have behind him in Kilgo and Peko so probably one of those positions that we just go with the youth movement and put that money we would have spent on him elsewhere.

 

[xBxtxDx]

This situation is a bit different. There is no NT designation so he gets lumped in with all DT's. So the cost to bring him back would be around $7 million for that one season. Now they have the money but honestly they could probably get him signed to a 2-3 year deal at $4 million a season. So could almost pay for 2-years worth of service for the price of that one. Right now though I do think they like what they have behind him in Kilgo and Peko so probably one of those positions that we just go with the youth movement and put that money we would have spent on him elsewhere.

Are you sure that is the money for the 5th year designation for a DT? I thought it was a bit higher than that.

 

[xBxtxDx]

This situation is a bit different. There is no NT designation so he gets lumped in with all DT's. So the cost to bring him back would be around $7 million for that one season. Now they have the money but honestly they could probably get him signed to a 2-3 year deal at $4 million a season. So could almost pay for 2-years worth of service for the price of that one. Right now though I do think they like what they have behind him in Kilgo and Peko so probably one of those positions that we just go with the youth movement and put that money we would have spent on him elsewhere.

Nevermind, I just looked it up, you are right.