Expectations for Trevor Siemian

[cdumler7]

Are you sure that is the money for the 5th year designation for a DT? I thought it was a bit higher than that.

Last time I checked I thought that was what it would cost. Have to remember that the top NT's in the league right now are only making $5 million a year. Heck around that 10th spot you are looking at just $3 million a year. So even if you view Sly as the top NT in the league that would still be over paying for our NT. That is why I think the Broncos view it as if they want to get him re-signed they can do it for much cheaper on a per year basis. Maybe get him locked down for 3-years/$10 million. That puts him around that 5th highest paid NT spot.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Because Teams will over pay for Sly . IMO he will have a hell of a season and we will wish we picked up his 5th year . Besides I made only one prediction for the year Sly MVP of SB 51

What round draft pick would you be looking for the team to take a DT and would your expectation be that he would beat out Kilgo? If we lose Sly to FA, I would not mind seeing the team use a second day pick on a NT. My wish list every year includes at least one D Lineman and one O Lineman in the draft (I hated Shanahan's drafting because he so often refused to address the D Line). I am one of those people that thinks this game starts and ends with the lines and if you are not constantly adding to the lines, you will end up in the bottom part of the league.

 

[58crash]

About right .

 

[58crash]

DE/DT is interchangeable so really I am only talking one DE/DT like you said 2nd or 3rd . and one in 4th and one late or RFA .

2nd I want a TE Really

 

[cdumler7]

What round draft pick would you be looking for the team to take a DT and would your expectation be that he would beat out Kilgo? If we lose Sly to FA, I would not mind seeing the team use a second day pick on a NT. My wish list every year includes at least one D Lineman and one O Lineman in the draft (I hated Shanahan's drafting because he so often refused to address the D Line). I am one of those people that thinks this game starts and ends with the lines and if you are not constantly adding to the lines, you will end up in the bottom part of the league.

Agreed on this. Thankfully since Elway took over we have only had one year where we didn't draft a DL player. That was the 2014 draft after we had just used a 1st round pick the year before on the DL. We also the year before that had picked up Wolfe and Jackson so I think the team realized they were pretty set.

Still every year we have added to the OL. First few years with Elway at the helm it did not go well. The players we drafted for the OL never played a snap for us other than Franklin taken in the 2nd round. Since then though we added Schofield and Paradis in 2014 and Garcia and Sambrailo in 2015. All have started at different times and give us a nice young core of OL players to build with. So seems like Elway has learned a bit on drafting OL players or maybe Kubiak and his staff showing up has been better at coaching those guys up.

 

[xBxtxDx]

If teams are willing to overpay for a NT then that is why teams just continue to be in the dumps and why the Broncos can continue to retool with getting those nice Comp Picks.

Honestly if I were the Broncos I would let Sly walk at the end of the year unless things just work out perfect. Kilgo actually showed better last week than Sly in my opinion. He held the point of impact much better and was one of the few on the DL to get some penetration. Peko is a guy we liked so much that we stuck him on our 53-man roster because we were afraid of losing him. So I think the NT position is covered. I would rather see us spend money to bring in a good veteran DE/DT. A guy that I think would thrive with the Broncos that will be a FA next year is Kendall Reyes who was drafted by the Chargers. When allowed to be in an attacking style defense this guy is outstanding.

One of the things I wanted the team to do this year was look at sliding Sly over to the DE position instead of Crick and using Kilgo as the NT. After seeing Crick just get manhandled on Thursday evening, I am convinced it is the path we need to go with Sly for the forseeable future. Then again, I did not pay much attention to him after the first half because I just did not want to watch any more of that horror show. He very well may have improved and that could have allowed us to get back into the game.

 

[cdumler7]

DE/DT is interchangeable so really I am only talking one DE/DT like you said 2nd or 3rd . and one in 4th and one late or RFA .

2nd I want a TE Really

I would agree with this. OT becomes a huge need if we don't pick up Okung's 4-year option part of his contract. But right now that DE and TE position seem like our 2 biggest holes on the team. And even if our young guys like Gotsis and Heuerman develop we still have a huge depth concern at both of those positions.

 

[CEH]

This situation is a bit different. There is no NT designation so he gets lumped in with all DT's. So the cost to bring him back would be around $7 million for that one season. Now they have the money but honestly they could probably get him signed to a 2-3 year deal at $4 million a season. So could almost pay for 2-years worth of service for the price of that one. Right now though I do think they like what they have behind him in Kilgo and Peko so probably one of those positions that we just go with the youth movement and put that money we would have spent on him elsewhere.

Then I would always test FA if I'm a pretty decent NT that can play DT.

 

[cdumler7]

One of the things I wanted the team to do this year was look at sliding Sly over to the DE position instead of Crick and using Kilgo as the NT. After seeing Crick just get manhandled on Thursday evening, I am convinced it is the path we need to go with Sly for the forseeable future. Then again, I did not pay much attention to him after the first half because I just did not want to watch any more of that horror show. He very well may have improved and that could have allowed us to get back into the game.

I'm going to hold out for 1 more week to see how that DL does. From what I understand Wolfe has talked quite a bit about how dirty the OL of the Panthers were during the game. He said they were targeting and actually trying to injure guys on the DL. With how badly they got beat last year it wouldn't surprise me if they got a bit that way thinking that was the only way they could beat our DL. Still I would agree I wouldn't mind seeing Sly slide over as I think he has the speed to actually do well at the position combined with his power.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Agreed on this. Thankfully since Elway took over we have only had one year where we didn't draft a DL player. That was the 2014 draft after we had just used a 1st round pick the year before on the DL. We also the year before that had picked up Wolfe and Jackson so I think the team realized they were pretty set.

Still every year we have added to the OL. First few years with Elway at the helm it did not go well. The players we drafted for the OL never played a snap for us other than Franklin taken in the 2nd round. Since then though we added Schofield and Paradis in 2014 and Garcia and Sambrailo in 2015. All have started at different times and give us a nice young core of OL players to build with. So seems like Elway has learned a bit on drafting OL players or maybe Kubiak and his staff showing up has been better at coaching those guys up.

In 2014 though we were set on the DLine with the 3 you mentioned along with Knighton, Unrein, Austin, and Vickerson, plus that was the year that we went out and got Ware for DE. Mind you that was later on after the draft I think and most of FA was over, but still, the D Line was definitely a strength and any additions might not have made the team. Especially when considering that Von moved into DE in nickel and dime packages.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Then I would always test FA if I'm a pretty decent NT that can play DT.

IMO every player should test FA whenever possible. I am all for players getting what they can out of this game so that they can set up their families for the future.

 

[cdumler7]

Then I would always test FA if I'm a pretty decent NT that can play DT.

Oh I would too. NT in the 3-4 is a position that just isn't recognized as being of great value. They are usually only 2-down type players and with teams playing so much out of the sub-package Nickel and Dime looks they just don't have the high value of a pass rushing 3-4 DE or a 4-3 DT. Run stuffers are a dime a dozen. So yeah i would try to find a 4-3 team that would like my skill set or work to maybe lose 10-15 lbs and try to show that you can play the 3-4 DE spot well.

 

[Dr Cyanide 28]

What round draft pick would you be looking for the team to take a DT and would your expectation be that he would beat out Kilgo? If we lose Sly to FA, I would not mind seeing the team use a second day pick on a NT. My wish list every year includes at least one D Lineman and one O Lineman in the draft (I hated Shanahan's drafting because he so often refused to address the D Line). I am one of those people that thinks this game starts and ends with the lines and if you are not constantly adding to the lines, you will end up in the bottom part of the league.

That's because you have been raised an Iowa Fan lol

 

[Dr Cyanide 28]

I would agree with this. OT becomes a huge need if we don't pick up Okung's 4-year option part of his contract. But right now that DE and TE position seem like our 2 biggest holes on the team. And even if our young guys like Gotsis and Heuerman develop we still have a huge depth concern at both of those positions.

I would add CB as future need given the smoke we have had about the team shopping Talib, Doss getting burnt in play despite camp buzz, and Webster a FA. After Roby and CHJ, I don't see a long term player at CB on the roster (unless we can lock up Webster on a friendly deal).

 

[cdumler7]

I would add CB as future need given the smoke we have had about the team shopping Talib, Doss getting burnt in play despite camp buzz, and Webster a FA. After Roby and CHJ, I don't see a long term player at CB on the roster (unless we can lock up Webster on a friendly deal).

Good point. Amazing how quickly a position of strength can turn into a position of weakness in this league. All depends what the Broncos decide to do. I can't see them hanging onto Talib after this season. His cost/age/off the field issues all add up to him being a roster cut after this year. Webster I can see them pushing hard to keep knowing they are losing Talib and because Webster adds so much beyond just the Corner position for our special teams unit. So hopefully they can get him back but yeah if he wants to go somewhere and have a chance to start he is probably gone. His situation honestly reminds me a bit of Bruton's this off season. You want to keep him but know that other teams will view him as a starter where we look at him more as a depth/special teams kind of guy. Doss I have no clue on. You are right we heard such great things about him in training camp and yet those last couple of preseason games he was getting beat left and right. Have to see how he bounces back throughout the season.

Still even with all that Corner will still be a need at some point. How big of a need will depend on all that you said. Elway does love to draft the prime positions early on of QB, DE/OLB, DT, and Corner. So many ways this team could go. The nice thing is the Broncos have most of their Core completely locked up for a few years. Shouldn't be any huge pushing issues until Roby comes up for contract. So team can continue just to build around our core.

 

[Dr Cyanide 28]

Good point. Amazing how quickly a position of strength can turn into a position of weakness in this league. All depends what the Broncos decide to do. I can't see them hanging onto Talib after this season. His cost/age/off the field issues all add up to him being a roster cut after this year. Webster I can see them pushing hard to keep knowing they are losing Talib and because Webster adds so much beyond just the Corner position for our special teams unit. So hopefully they can get him back but yeah if he wants to go somewhere and have a chance to start he is probably gone. His situation honestly reminds me a bit of Bruton's this off season. You want to keep him but know that other teams will view him as a starter where we look at him more as a depth/special teams kind of guy. Doss I have no clue on. You are right we heard such great things about him in training camp and yet those last couple of preseason games he was getting beat left and right. Have to see how he bounces back throughout the season.

Still even with all that Corner will still be a need at some point. How big of a need will depend on all that you said. Elway does love to draft the prime positions early on of QB, DE/OLB, DT, and Corner. So many ways this team could go. The nice thing is the Broncos have most of their Core completely locked up for a few years. Shouldn't be any huge pushing issues until Roby comes up for contract. So team can continue just to build around our core.

I would add LT as well. We have been linked to multiple (like i think we tried to trade up for cedric ogebuhi two years ago but ended up with Ray after the A&M OT went to Cincinnati).

 

[cdumler7]

I would add LT as well. We have been linked to multiple (like i think we tried to trade up for cedric ogebuhi two years ago but ended up with Ray after the A&M OT went to Cincinnati).

Sorry I actually had that typed in and the internet to my computer quit for a bit. When it restarted I guess it was not still on there. Yes LT would definitely qualify as a premium position. So again depending on what happens this next off season. If we let Okung walk instead of picking up the option years of his deal then LT honestly jumps to the top of the list. There are a couple of other FA tackles that could hit the market but premium LT play is tough to find. Even going the way of the draft we would have to expect that any LT we got would need a year or two to actually play at a high level. We were spoiled as Bronco fans that Clady day 1 was a premium LT. Stinks that injuries really derailed his career. Honestly looking forward to watching him play tonight and seeing how he is doing. I always thought very highly of him.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Good point. Amazing how quickly a position of strength can turn into a position of weakness in this league. All depends what the Broncos decide to do. I can't see them hanging onto Talib after this season. His cost/age/off the field issues all add up to him being a roster cut after this year. Webster I can see them pushing hard to keep knowing they are losing Talib and because Webster adds so much beyond just the Corner position for our special teams unit. So hopefully they can get him back but yeah if he wants to go somewhere and have a chance to start he is probably gone. His situation honestly reminds me a bit of Bruton's this off season. You want to keep him but know that other teams will view him as a starter where we look at him more as a depth/special teams kind of guy. Doss I have no clue on. You are right we heard such great things about him in training camp and yet those last couple of preseason games he was getting beat left and right. Have to see how he bounces back throughout the season.

Still even with all that Corner will still be a need at some point. How big of a need will depend on all that you said. Elway does love to draft the prime positions early on of QB, DE/OLB, DT, and Corner. So many ways this team could go. The nice thing is the Broncos have most of their Core completely locked up for a few years. Shouldn't be any huge pushing issues until Roby comes up for contract. So team can continue just to build around our core.

I understand the sentiment on Talib, but I can also see JE keeping him for one more year or asking him to restructure in order to attempt to keep the secondary together for a while longer. Talib is not quite at the age where you start losing a step, in fact, he is still in his prime for at least a year or so more. Also, as of right now, we have approximately $36m in cap space next year (this is accounting for rollover money so may decrease or may even increase if we see a larger increase in the cap than expected) with almost the entire roster already accounted for, exceptions being Stewart, Webster, Williams, Ware, Walker and 2017 draft picks. Yes, they would chew up a good portion of that money if all were signed, but not all of it.

 

[xBxtxDx]

I'm going to hold out for 1 more week to see how that DL does. From what I understand Wolfe has talked quite a bit about how dirty the OL of the Panthers were during the game. He said they were targeting and actually trying to injure guys on the DL. With how badly they got beat last year it wouldn't surprise me if they got a bit that way thinking that was the only way they could beat our DL. Still I would agree I wouldn't mind seeing Sly slide over as I think he has the speed to actually do well at the position combined with his power.

In my opinion it would maximize the talent across the line. I am for Crick being depth, he has enough talent for that. I am just unsure if he has the talent to continue being the teams best option to hold down the LDE spot.

 

[randymon]

If you look at Elways mentality especially the last few years, that a strong run game and D is the key to Championships, it would make sense to focus on O- line and Defense in the draft as long as you still have a good core at the skill positions. Seeing as DT, Sanders and CJ are now locked in for a few yrs and I think their pretty comfortable with the Qb position also, expect next draft to be heavy on O and D line, back end