Expectations for Trevor Siemian

[cdumler7]

It's 1 game. Where he threw 2 INT's and almost threw 2 more.

Mark Sanchez when he was with the Jets is about what I think he'd compare to when they had a dominant defense and a good ruunning game.

Not sure what they were thinking having him start out throwing 4 times in a row. They should have eased him in handing off the ball and throwing a little later.

Did you watch the game? That first drive where we came out throwing and spreading them out with 4-wide threw the Panthers out of sorts and our offense was driving very well down the field. What the Broncos were thinking was 1) Let's get some confidence built up in our young QB by some easier throws early on in the game and show him we have trust in his abilities by not just running it every play. 2) The Panthers have a very young secondary meaning if there is a weakness to the Panthers defense it is attacking the Corners. When we have 2 top-10 WR's in the league on our team it makes sense to try and get them the ball.

And the plan was working great until the fumble. Really the offense as a whole was working great other than the turnovers.

 

[cdumler7]

Well looks like the Broncos maybe got an answer about one of the QB paths they could have taken this off season. I just keep thinking about all the QB's that we either talked to or were linked to this off season and just seeing how all the rabbit holes could have gone this season.

RGIII is now on IR after a couple of big hits. He still hasn't figured out how to protect himself from taking the brutal hits. He plays like Cam Newton but just doesn't have the ability to withstand it like Cam. Feel for the kid but that should have been one of the first things he learned when he came into the league.

 

[CEH]

Well looks like the Broncos maybe got an answer about one of the QB paths they could have taken this off season. I just keep thinking about all the QB's that we either talked to or were linked to this off season and just seeing how all the rabbit holes could have gone this season.

RGIII is now on IR after a couple of big hits. He still hasn't figured out how to protect himself from taking the brutal hits. He plays like Cam Newton but just doesn't have the ability to withstand it like Cam. Feel for the kid but that should have been one of the first things he learned when he came into the league.

Simple. He should have slid. No reason to try and get out of bounds . Can't fix stupid.

 

[cdumler7]

Simple. He should have slid. No reason to try and get out of bounds . Can't fix stupid.

I don't disagree with this. You would think after 5-years in the league and his body having taken the brutal hits that it has that he would want to slide. Just seems like a pride thing to think he can hold up to such a beating.

 

[CEH]

I don't disagree with this. You would think after 5-years in the league and his body having taken the brutal hits that it has that he would want to slide. Just seems like a pride thing to think he can hold up to such a beating.

Coaching staff thought they could coach the fumbles out of Sanchez. Not the case. Had RGIII come here, he'd probably be on IR as the coaches would not be able to coach the bravdo out of RGII

 

[cdumler7]

Coaching staff thought they could coach the fumbles out of Sanchez. Not the case. Had RGIII come here, he'd probably be on IR as the coaches would not be able to coach the bravdo out of RGII

Every once in a while you get a player that just needed a new environment and it works out. But the majority do seem to just keep the old habits and keep doing what they have always done. Sanchez I will be honest I had high hopes that the coaches could at least minimize some of that out of him with our system. Obviously that was far from the truth. And yeah you are right RGIII just can't be coached out of those things. And honestly I do think with some of these players part of it is that their entire career they have gotten away with it until the get to the NFL. They are encouraged to do these things at the lower levels. So they come to the NFL just thinking they can do the same things and get away with it.

Now tying this back to the actual reason for the thread...Can the coaches coach up Siemian to actually learn how to get air under the football? His worst throws of the game were because he just doesn't have touch on his throws yet. He is great when he has a clean pocket and a clear window to throw into but when he needs to get some air under the ball it just doesn't go well. He has had this problem his entire career and I just haven't seen it change. Which unfortunately if he can't change is going to make it hard to hit the deep ball consistently and the screen game could be a bit of a challenge.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Manning was severely criticized for posting similar lines last season. Siemian would have lost this game, had it not been for the defense playing significantly stronger in the second half. While it was only his first game, 2INT's to one TD won't get it done consistently. He still has a lot of work to become a serviceable starting QB.

Yes, but were either of the interceptions the result of poor decisions? One was a batted ball and the other his arm was hit while throwing to a wide open receiver. This to me indicates bad luck vice poor decision making or in the case of Manning last year, the inability to put the ball where desired with enough arm strength behind it.

 

[cdumler7]

Yes, but were either of the interceptions the result of poor decisions? One was a batted ball and the other his arm was hit while throwing to a wide open receiver. This to me indicates bad luck vice poor decision making or in the case of Manning last year, the inability to put the ball where desired with enough arm strength behind it.

That is part of the narrative that I still think so many have trouble with in Manning's last season. It wasn't just poor throws or bad luck but it was actually bad decision making. With teams openly daring him to throw deep knowing he couldn't do it they closed down so many windows for him to throw into and it was easy to see what he wanted to do on certain down and distance situations. I've never seen him struggle so much with the idea of a DE/LB acting like they were going to blitz then dropping off into the short zone spot and watching him throw it right to them for an easy pick-6.

Now the playoffs other than the Super Bowl he seemed to learn from his mistakes and was making some better decisions but that Super Bowl his interception was just a terrible decision on his part. I loved having Manning here but that last year was about as bad as it gets from the QB position.

 

[cdumler7]

Also I honestly do blame Siemian for the first interception. He either needs to learn to throw that screen pass a bit quicker or realize he has to get the ball up a bit higher. Touch is one of the worst parts of his game. We saw it at the goal line on another pass that was almost intercepted where instead of lobbing it over the line he tried to rocket a pass in and watched it get tipped. Now it was a great play by the DL player to tip it and the LB to intercept it but his decision to throw it lower than needed directly lead to that happening.

The 2nd one the more I watch that play the more I don't blame him for it. Sanders was running wide open for a touchdown. So it was the right read just bad luck to get the arm tipped. The RB (Booker had about as bad of a game as you can have as a RB) was supposed to pick that blitzer up but completely missed his assignment. Those little plays like that really do show up big in the game more than people realize. Hopefully he learns from that first game or they better be getting Ronnie Hillman on the phone quick.

 

[megalodon30]

Meh. My expectations aren't super high. As long as he keeps the W column higher than the L column, I won't have many complaints. Should be a good enough place holder 'til Lynch is ready.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Yes, but were either of the interceptions the result of poor decisions? One was a batted ball and the other his arm was hit while throwing to a wide open receiver. This to me indicates bad luck vice poor decision making or in the case of Manning last year, the inability to put the ball where desired with enough arm strength behind it.

At least one was likely on him, and while the other was a batted arm, there were a couple other times I saw where an INT could have occurred. He then also missed a likely TD because it looked like he was indecisive.

He has a lot of improvements to make. We shall see how he progresses and adjusts.

 

[xBxtxDx]

At least one was likely on him, and while the other was a batted arm, there were a couple other times I saw where an INT could have occurred. He then also missed a likely TD because it looked like he was indecisive.

He has a lot of improvements to make. We shall see how he progresses and adjusts.

I do not disagree with you, but that happens to just about every QB every week. Maybe I notice it more with Denver QB's, but it sure does seem like announcers want to put that stipulation on our QB's. Yes they only threw x number of interceptions, but a couple of more could have been. Maybe I just pay more attention when the Broncos are playing and it is my imagination.

Anyway, yes, a number of balls got away, but as was said, this was his first start. It could have been much, much worse and we have seen much, much worse from first time starters in the past. Heck, we have seen much, much worse from 2 of the QB's in the discussion for GOAT in Elway and Manning.

 

[xBxtxDx]

That is part of the narrative that I still think so many have trouble with in Manning's last season. It wasn't just poor throws or bad luck but it was actually bad decision making. With teams openly daring him to throw deep knowing he couldn't do it they closed down so many windows for him to throw into and it was easy to see what he wanted to do on certain down and distance situations. I've never seen him struggle so much with the idea of a DE/LB acting like they were going to blitz then dropping off into the short zone spot and watching him throw it right to them for an easy pick-6.

Now the playoffs other than the Super Bowl he seemed to learn from his mistakes and was making some better decisions but that Super Bowl his interception was just a terrible decision on his part. I loved having Manning here but that last year was about as bad as it gets from the QB position.

As all of this was playing out last year I kind of wondered something I did not know was a thing till recently, if Manning was also suffering from electrolyte depletion along with the injuries. In other words if he was drinking too much water. If you have never experienced it before, it is almost like you are drunk and your ability to process information quickly is lessened. I found out about it the hard way as I was training for a half marathon. Ended up having to quit it in order to figure out what the heck was going on.

 

[cdumler7]

As all of this was playing out last year I kind of wondered something I did not know was a thing till recently, if Manning was also suffering from electrolyte depletion along with the injuries. In other words if he was drinking too much water. If you have never experienced it before, it is almost like you are drunk and your ability to process information quickly is lessened. I found out about it the hard way as I was training for a half marathon. Ended up having to quit it in order to figure out what the heck was going on.

Could be part of what happened. I do know the Broncos are the only team in the NFL that has partnered with a company that they actually have put some electronic devise on the skin of the players that monitors them throughout the game and explains what kind of hydration they need. So every player has a specific water bottle at certain parts of the game for what they need. So going beyond just trying to stay hydrated but trying to hydrate in the right way.

They also teamed up with some mattress company that monitors the sleep of the players and figures out exactly how much sleep they need to be at their peak physical condition beyond the regular of how soft or hard the bed is. So then the players are given a specific bed time to help them best operate.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Could be part of what happened. I do know the Broncos are the only team in the NFL that has partnered with a company that they actually have put some electronic devise on the skin of the players that monitors them throughout the game and explains what kind of hydration they need. So every player has a specific water bottle at certain parts of the game for what they need. So going beyond just trying to stay hydrated but trying to hydrate in the right way.

They also teamed up with some mattress company that monitors the sleep of the players and figures out exactly how much sleep they need to be at their peak physical condition beyond the regular of how soft or hard the bed is. So then the players are given a specific bed time to help them best operate.

Wow, that is kinda very interesting and I was unaware that they were doing anything like this. Do you have a link?

 

[cdumler7]

Wow, that is kinda very interesting and I was unaware that they were doing anything like this. Do you have a link?

Here you go...

Broncos innovation continues with Gatorade hydration study 

 

[CEH]

Could be part of what happened. I do know the Broncos are the only team in the NFL that has partnered with a company that they actually have put some electronic devise on the skin of the players that monitors them throughout the game and explains what kind of hydration they need. So every player has a specific water bottle at certain parts of the game for what they need. So going beyond just trying to stay hydrated but trying to hydrate in the right way.

They also teamed up with some mattress company that monitors the sleep of the players and figures out exactly how much sleep they need to be at their peak physical condition beyond the regular of how soft or hard the bed is. So then the players are given a specific bed time to help them best operate.

Chip Kelley has been doing this for a while. Everywhere the players go they are monitored

 

[cdumler7]

Chip Kelley has been doing this for a while. Everywhere the players go they are monitored

Well I know Chip has all the players wired up to test speed, acceleration, and power of certain hits and such. Not sure he was actually doing the hydration side of things with these patches. From what I understand the Broncos are the first team to do this. I could be wrong.

 

[xBxtxDx]

Here you go...

Broncos innovation continues with Gatorade hydration study

Definitely an interesting read, thank you for that. Though, it still makes me wonder about last year since they started that this year.

 

[cdumler7]

Definitely an interesting read, thank you for that. Though, it still makes me wonder about last year since they started that this year.

Right. I could see what you are talking about being what made them decide to do this. Like you said it is not just about hydration but the right kind of hydration to really keep the body functioning at peak physical level. I'd be interested to see what they figured out when comparing players and what they need.

I will say at least in the first game our team played its best football in the 4th quarter so maybe the proper hydration played a role in that being the case.