Expansion Team Rosters

[DragonfromTO]

Maybe if they do it before FA, the team that picks the upcoming FA will automatically have their rights even after July 1st - so that means they can get a deal done or they can trade that player and get assets in return - so for example if Thomas Vanek got unprotected by the Habs prior to FA, and some team picks him up in the expansion draft, that team automatically ends up with their rights and they can either sign the player or trade him, and if Vanek says he wants to go to a place like Minnesota, the team trading Vanek can get some type of compensation in return - this allows teams to be able to get some form of value for the player without completely losing him come July 1st, not long after picking him in the expansion draft

EDIT: Let's say the Panthers draft Vanek in the expansion draft, and they don't feel they can re-sign him or Vanek doesn't want to be there, then the Panthers will have his rights even after July 1st and if let's say, on July 15th, they want to trade him to Minnesota(where people think he wants to go), they can make that deal then and get something in return for him

So Minnesota (or whoever) gets penalized for some reason?

 

[Cobiemonster]

I like Greene, I believe he's a very underrated player. Fayne and Bernier are UFAs so I didn't include them, wasn't sure how this worked.

I originally didn't include FA's but I guess if they actually did expansion they probably would

I would take Andy Greene over Mark Fayne too, Andy Greene's a much better offensive player - he's underrated for sure

 

[Cobiemonster]

So Minnesota (or whoever) gets penalized for some reason?

Penalized? I'm just saying, if a team like Minnesota was interested in Vanek and Vanek didn't want to play for the expansion team that drafted him, the two teams could make a deal for each other, maybe like a sign and trade

 

[DragonfromTO]

Penalized? I'm just saying, if a team like Minnesota was interested in Vanek and Vanek didn't want to play for the expansion team that drafted him, the two teams could make a deal for each other, maybe like a sign and trade

Sure they're getting penalized, they're being forced to give up assets to sign an unrestricted free agent while other teams are signing them for nothing.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Sure they're getting penalized, they're being forced to give up assets to sign an unrestricted free agent while other teams are signing them for nothing.

Technically, under the rules I'm proposing, Vanek wouldn't be a free agent, he'd be property of the team that gets him in the expansion draft and then whoever were to trade for him

So for example, if the Wild traded for him on June 25th, they hold the rights to him even after July 1st - and if he wanted to hold out to get a better deal then the Wild would still hold his rights - yeah it would be different but I imagine there's a way the league would be able to do things like that

 

[DragonfromTO]

Technically, under the rules I'm proposing, Vanek wouldn't be a free agent, he'd be property of the team that gets him in the expansion draft and then whoever were to trade for him

So for example, if the Wild traded for him on June 25th, they hold the rights to him even after July 1st - and if he wanted to hold out to get a better deal then the Wild would still hold his rights - yeah it would be different but I imagine there's a way the league would be able to do things like that

I didn't even mention Vanek, who when you think about it is really the one being punished here. He's having his upcoming free agency taken away without his consent or compensation of any kind.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Technically, under the rules I'm proposing, Vanek wouldn't be a free agent, he'd be property of the team that gets him in the expansion draft and then whoever were to trade for him

So for example, if the Wild traded for him on June 25th, they hold the rights to him even after July 1st - and if he wanted to hold out to get a better deal then the Wild would still hold his rights - yeah it would be different but I imagine there's a way the league would be able to do things like that

I didn't even mention Vanek, who when you think about it is really the one being punished here. He's having his upcoming free agency taken away without his consent or compensation of any kind.

Yeeahhh... There's no way in hell the PA would ever approve this.

So player X (33 year old 30 goal scorer) gets picked in the expansion draft a few days before he becomes UFA. At this point he wants to play for a contender not an expansion team. Now he has no contract but is not a true UFA in that he can't sign with any team he wants. The expansion team says "no way are we giving up a 30 goal scorer for less than prospect and 1st rounder." No team will agree to it.

Player X ends up in limbo for an indefinite period of time even though the contract he signed and presumably honoured has expired.

Not a chance the players let this play out.

 

[DevilishWon]

Haha, the Sabres don't have enough players worth protecting unless AHL guys count. .

Maybe they can sell their protected slots to other teams...develop a nice secondary market

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Maybe they can sell their protected slots to other teams...develop a nice secondary market

I like it.

Or maybe they could simply use their slots in the bank clause to save protected players for the next expansion draft.

 

[forty_three]

I am not counting contracts of guys who did not make it to the NHL yet or if they did have less than 15 games. Also making the assumption that RFAs and UFA (Mac) are signed.

G - Bob-Rov-Sky

D - Johnson, Murray, Wiz, Savard, Tyutin

F - Johansen, Horton, Foligno, Anisimov, Dubinski, Calvert, Atkinson, MacKenzie, Letestu


Lot of non NHL or Sub NHL guys that I'd be worried about. Wennberg, Dano, Rychel, Forsberg, Heatherington, Bjorkstrand, Dansk, Anderson, Golubef...

 

[Cobiemonster]

I am not counting contracts of guys who did not make it to the NHL yet or if they did have less than 15 games. Also making the assumption that RFAs and UFA (Mac) are signed.

G - Bob-Rov-Sky

D - Johnson, Murray, Wiz, Savard, Tyutin

F - Johansen, Horton, Foligno, Anisimov, Dubinski, Calvert, Atkinson, MacKenzie, Letestu


Lot of non NHL or Sub NHL guys that I'd be worried about. Wennberg, Dano, Rychel, Forsberg, Heatherington, Bjorkstrand, Dansk, Anderson, Golubef...

Those guys you wouldn't have to worry about, they'd be exempt