Expansion Team Rosters

[Darkstone42]

Great point on all three. And knowing if this were ever true and the amount of goalies that would be unprotected I doubt he would be drafted.

We know Neal would be drafted and still wonder if that contract would a team pick Letang? Especially an expansion team that would want to build over time not wanting that big of burden for an extended period.

True, but who else do you protect? Bortuzzo and Engelland don't seem to be worth it to me. For forwards, I guess Jokinen would be an option, but Neal's contract is too reasonable to just let him go for nothing.

I would actually guess Fleury would have a good chance of being taken if left unprotected. Only a year left on his contract, a #1 caliber guy, and I imagine most of the other #1s would be protected.

 

[Cobiemonster]

True, but who else do you protect? Bortuzzo and Engelland don't seem to be worth it to me. For forwards, I guess Jokinen would be an option, but Neal's contract is too reasonable to just let him go for nothing.

I would actually guess Fleury would have a good chance of being taken if left unprotected. Only a year left on his contract, a #1 caliber guy, and I imagine most of the other #1s would be protected.

If UFA/RFA's don't count + 1st/2nd year pros don't count, then the Penguins might as well go 2/3/7 and keep Fleury and Zatkoff

In this case I would think they would do this:

G: Marc-Andre Fleury, Jeff Zatkoff

D: Paul Martin, Rob Scuderi, Robert Bortuzzo

F: Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Chris Kunitz, Pascal Dupuis, Craig Adams, James Neal

In reality, that's all the Penguins could do - if you want to put Letang into the expansion draft you could do that but the Penguins only have six signed players that are not exempt(Beau Bennett is signed for next year but he's exempt)

 

[Darkstone42]

If UFA/RFA's don't count + 1st/2nd year pros don't count, then the Penguins might as well go 2/3/7 and keep Fleury and Zatkoff

In this case I would think they would do this:

G: Marc-Andre Fleury, Jeff Zatkoff

D: Paul Martin, Rob Scuderi, Robert Bortuzzo

F: Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Chris Kunitz, Pascal Dupuis, Craig Adams, James Neal

In reality, that's all the Penguins could do - if you want to put Letang into the expansion draft you could do that but the Penguins only have six signed players that are not exempt(Beau Bennett is signed for next year but he's exempt)

Bennett's not a first or second year pro, he's not exempt. Unless that means NHL pro. But he was a pro in the AHL for a couple years, I think, and I'd protect him over Adams.

We would also have no goalies who fit the unprotected requirement if we protect both Fleury and Zatkoff.

And I'd protect Letang and leave Scuderi unprotected. Letang can provide value, Scuderi cannot.

 

[thedddd]

True, but who else do you protect? Bortuzzo and Engelland don't seem to be worth it to me. For forwards, I guess Jokinen would be an option, but Neal's contract is too reasonable to just let him go for nothing.

I would actually guess Fleury would have a good chance of being taken if left unprotected. Only a year left on his contract, a #1 caliber guy, and I imagine most of the other #1s would be protected.

Oh yeah I meant it as Neal I would protect because I know he would be drafted.
As for Fleury I forgot it is only 1 more year then yeah a team would take him.

Who to protect instead of Letang I would only think Bortuzzo and like you said the value isn't there.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Bennett's not a first or second year pro, he's not exempt. Unless that means NHL pro. But he was a pro in the AHL for a couple years, I think, and I'd protect him over Adams.

We would also have no goalies who fit the unprotected requirement if we protect both Fleury and Zatkoff.

And I'd protect Letang and leave Scuderi unprotected. Letang can provide value, Scuderi cannot.

I wonder if the NHL would change the rules up if they did expansion again - seems like there would be some sticky situations in regard to this

 

[Darkstone42]

I wonder if the NHL would change the rules up if they did expansion again - seems like there would be some sticky situations in regard to this

I'm guessing UFAs/RFAs count. The team still has first rights to negotiate with them, and they're technically "under team control." They can still be traded, for example.

 

[IPostedWhat]

If there was an expansion team, which one player from each team would you take off in order to make the expansion team?

That depends....

Do I get to start with $15, $18, or $20 when picking them?

 

[Cobiemonster]

That depends....

Do I get to start with $15, $18, or $20 when picking them?

No not that type of team, you pick guys from your favorite team that you would protect and the others would be unprotected and put into an expansion draft

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I wonder if the NHL would change the rules up if they did expansion again - seems like there would be some sticky situations in regard to this

I wouldn't think so, since allowing the new teams to pick up some decent players from some of the better teams (since they're the ones that can't protect as many as they'd like) so that they have a chance of at least being competitive.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Also, wonder how it would work now that there is a cap. Does the contract remain as is with the expansion team picking up the tab? If that is the case there could be plenty of quality players available from teams up against the cap ceiling.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I wouldn't think so, since allowing the new teams to pick up some decent players from some of the better teams (since they're the ones that can't protect as many as they'd like) so that they have a chance of at least being competitive.

Well there are situations(like Pittsburgh) where they have so many free agents, so I would have to think FA's count too

 

[Cobiemonster]

Also, wonder how it would work now that there is a cap. Does the contract remain as is with the expansion team picking up the tab? If that is the case there could be plenty of quality players available from teams up against the cap ceiling.

Interesting question - I would have to think, depending on the new franchise and how much money they'd be willing to spend, there would be teams really interested in certain guys

 

[pixburgher66]

Now, did the expansion draft happen before FA began? Then possible FAs would have to be protected I imagine, because it'd be like acquiring negotiation rights.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Well there are situations(like Pittsburgh) where they have so many free agents, so I would have to think FA's count too

Agreed. Timing would be tough though. Do you do it after FA opens and potentially allow a guy that was just signed to a UFA deal to get snatched away, or do you do it before FA opens and have the expansion team potentially draft a guy they can't re-sign?

I think the last one was held before FA opened, so they'd probably do the same. Contract status would definitely affect the likelihood of a guy getting taken then since the expansion team would have to get the guy signed.

 

[pixburgher66]

And wait: contracts are the same when a player is taken in that instance? Seems very unfair to the players.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

And wait: contracts are the same when a player is taken in that instance? Seems very unfair to the players.

I'm sure there's an obscure clause in the CBA somewhere that says that if the league expands they could be subject to drafting.

 

[CalamityX11]

Hmm:

G: Schneider
D: Gelinas, Larsson, Merrill, Greene, Volchenkov
F: Zajac, Henrique, Jagr, Elias, Zubrus, Ryder, Brunner (the last 2 could go for all I care but they have one year left each at reasonable prices). Everyone else can go.

Greene n Fayne would flip flop for me...

Screw Brunner... gimmie Bernier over him anyday....

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Greene n Fayne would flip flop for me...

Screw Brunner... gimmie Bernier over him anyday....

I like Greene, I believe he's a very underrated player. Fayne and Bernier are UFAs so I didn't include them, wasn't sure how this worked.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Agreed. Timing would be tough though. Do you do it after FA opens and potentially allow a guy that was just signed to a UFA deal to get snatched away, or do you do it before FA opens and have the expansion team potentially draft a guy they can't re-sign?

I think the last one was held before FA opened, so they'd probably do the same. Contract status would definitely affect the likelihood of a guy getting taken then since the expansion team would have to get the guy signed.

Maybe if they do it before FA, the team that picks the upcoming FA will automatically have their rights even after July 1st - so that means they can get a deal done or they can trade that player and get assets in return - so for example if Thomas Vanek got unprotected by the Habs prior to FA, and some team picks him up in the expansion draft, that team automatically ends up with their rights and they can either sign the player or trade him, and if Vanek says he wants to go to a place like Minnesota, the team trading Vanek can get some type of compensation in return - this allows teams to be able to get some form of value for the player without completely losing him come July 1st, not long after picking him in the expansion draft

EDIT: Let's say the Panthers draft Vanek in the expansion draft, and they don't feel they can re-sign him or Vanek doesn't want to be there, then the Panthers will have his rights even after July 1st and if let's say, on July 15th, they want to trade him to Minnesota(where people think he wants to go), they can make that deal then and get something in return for him

 

[Cobiemonster]

Maybe if they do it before FA, the team that picks the upcoming FA will automatically have their rights even after July 1st - so that means they can get a deal done or they can trade that player and get assets in return - so for example if Thomas Vanek got unprotected by the Habs prior to FA, and some team picks him up in the expansion draft, that team automatically ends up with their rights and they can either sign the player or trade him, and if Vanek says he wants to go to a place like Minnesota, the team trading Vanek can get some type of compensation in return - this allows teams to be able to get some form of value for the player without completely losing him come July 1st, not long after picking him in the expansion draft

EDIT: Let's say the expansion team drafts Vanek in the expansion draft, and they don't feel they can re-sign him or Vanek doesn't want to be there, then that team will have his rights even after July 1st and if let's say, on July 15th, they want to trade him to Minnesota(where people think he wants to go), they can make that deal then and get something in return for him

EDIT 2: I don't know why I said the Panthers, ignore that, I edited it to say expansion team