Series Thread: Eastern Conference Finals: (3) New York Knicks vs. (4) Indiana Pacers

[msgkings322]

It is. He’s one of my favorite players

Yes Monty, I know. You're wrong about him being no different than when he was younger. He's still great and has put himself in the top 10 all time lists for most:

Your top 10 all-time NBA greats

Who are your top 10 all-time NBA greats? I'm trying to see who makes the list by consensus. In ALPHABETICAL order: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Larry Bird Kobe Bryant Wilt Chamberlain Lebron James Magic Johnson Michael Jordan Oscar Robertson Bill Russell For #10 for me: it's between Shaq and Tim...

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[tlance]

No one shoots like he does; not even close and at 37 he still moves without the ball as well as ever. I think he is still at or. Ear the top of his game

Greatest shooter of all time and it isn’t close.

But not a top 10 player in the league today. So many excellent players out there.

His minutes are slowly trending down, he is missing more games and overall production just isn’t on the same level as peak Curry.

 

[BostonBeans]

Yes Monty, I know. You're wrong about him being no different than when he was younger. He's still great and has put himself in the top 10 all time lists for most:

Your top 10 all-time NBA greats

Who are your top 10 all-time NBA greats? I'm trying to see who makes the list by consensus. In ALPHABETICAL order: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Larry Bird Kobe Bryant Wilt Chamberlain Lebron James Magic Johnson Michael Jordan Oscar Robertson Bill Russell For #10 for me: it's between Shaq and Tim...

sportshoop.la

Wrong again. He averaged 24.5 points per game for his career and I bet you can guess what he averaged this year;?yup, 24.5 points. Mike drop.

 

[BostonBeans]

Greatest shooter of all time and it isn’t close.

But not a top 10 player in the league today. So many excellent players out there.

His minutes are slowly trending down, he is missing more games and overall production just isn’t on the same level as peak Curry.

I don’t think the “missing more games” is accurate. He was always injured when he first came up. Always had ankle problems. That’s the reason it was such a difficult choice between he and Monta Ellis before they finally decided on Curry

 

[msgkings322]

Wrong again. He averaged 24.5 points per game for his career and I bet you can guess what he averaged this year;?ywp, 24.5 points. Mike drop.

Look at Monty, he found one stat and thinks he knows what he's talking about

He's in decline, but only slightly, he's still one of the best players in the sport

Have a look at the very first chart, this year vs career numbers:

Stephen Curry Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Stephen Curry. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

www.basketball-reference.com

 

[BostonBeans]

Look at Monty, he found one stat and thinks he knows what he's talking about

He's in decline, but only slightly, he's still one of the best players in the sport

Have a look at the very first chart, this year vs career numbers:

Stephen Curry Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of Stephen Curry. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com

www.basketball-reference.com

I would argue that he is more important to his team than any other player in the league is to his team

 

[msgkings322]

I don’t think the “missing more games” is accurate. He was always injured when he first came up. Always had ankle problems. That’s the reason it was such a difficult choice between he and Monta Ellis before they finally decided on Curry

No like every older player he misses more time now than when he was younger (games played is also in that link I just gave you)

He played almost every game from 2009-2017 except one year, the ankle year was 2012

 

[msgkings322]

I would argue that he is more important to his team than any other player in the league is to his team

He's one of those, but Jokic is more so, so is Giannis.

This is a completely different topic than if Curry has declined from his peak. He has, slightly. It's a testament to his greatness that it's only slightly. I'm not shitting on Curry here, but he's 37 and he's not as good as when he was 27, nor should he be.

 

[tlance]

I don’t think the “missing more games” is accurate. He was always injured when he first came up. Always had ankle problems. That’s the reason it was such a difficult choice between he and Monta Ellis before they finally decided on Curry

He had 1 season in his early career where he missed most of it with the ankle injury.

Aside from that, he averaged 78 games a year his first 8 seasons through 2017.

Since then he has played more than 70 games once.

 

[BostonBeans]

He's one of those, but Jokic is more so, so is Giannis.

This is a completely different topic than if Curry has declined from his peak. He has, slightly. It's a testament to his greatness that it's only slightly. I'm not shitting on Curry here, but he's 37 and he's not as good as when he was 27, nor should he be.

No we were talking MVP. Being more important to his team than anyone except maybe, as you said, Jokic speaks to his value. Most valuable does not always equal most talented

 

[msgkings322]

No we were talking MVP. Being more important to his team than anyone except maybe, as you said, Jokic speaks to his value. Most valuable does not always equal most talented

OK? Glad you've stopped arguing that he is just as good as before.

 

[tlance]

No we were talking MVP. Being more important to his team than anyone except maybe, as you said, Jokic speaks to his value. Most valuable does not always equal most talented

You said that.

He did not agree with you.

There are others too.

But yes, obviously Warriors aren’t going anywhere without Curry.

 

[BostonBeans]

He had 1 season in his early career where he missed most of it with the ankle injury.

Aside from that, he averaged 78 games a year his first 8 seasons through 2017.

Since then he has played more than 70 games once.

Yeah, I saw that stat that the other guy posted. That surprised me. Seemed like he was always fighting ankle problems

 

[tlance]

Yeah, I saw that stat that the other guy posted. That surprised me. Seemed like he was always fighting ankle problems

That is a myth.

Warriors were able to sign him to a bargain of a contract because the timing of the ankle injury occurred right before he reached restricted free agency.

There was definitely concern at the time that it could be an issue that would be chronic an affect his entire career, but it did not play out like that.

 

[BostonBeans]

You said that.

He did not agree with you.

There are others too.

But yes, obviously Warriors aren’t going anywhere without Curry.

You misread my post. I was agreeing with his take that Jokic might be more valuable to his team but disagreeing that Curry was not mvp caliber since he is more important to his team than anyone in my opinion. Just look at the Minnesota series as evidence of that

 

[BostonBeans]

That is a myth.

Warriors were able to sign him to a bargain of a contract because the timing of the ankle injury occurred right before he reached restricted free agency.

There was definitely concern at the time that it could be an issue that would be chronic an affect his entire career, but it did not play out like that.

A lot of people wanted to keep Ellis and not Curry as I recall it

 

[UK Cowboy]

Knicks have lost their minds firing Thibodeaux. That team is about to go tge opposite direction next season

 

[tlance]

You misread my post. I was agreeing with his take that Jokic might be more valuable to his team but disagreeing that Curry was not mvp caliber since he is more important to his team than anyone in my opinion. Just look at the Minnesota series as evidence of that

They played a good team without their best player.

Would have been similar result without Butler.

Being MVP caliber is about more than just your team needing the player to win. Very few teams you can remove the best player and expect them to win in the playoffs.

 

[tlance]

A lot of people wanted to keep Ellis and not Curry as I recall it

Well, good thing the Warriors didn’t agree with that.

 

[BostonBeans]

They played a good team without their best player.

Would have been similar result without Butler.

Being MVP caliber is about more than just your team needing the player to win. Very few teams you can remove the best player and expect them to win in the playoffs.

But with the Warriors they had zero chance of winning that series without Curry. They weren’t even competitive. The roster was poorly constructed (way too small) and poorly used by Kerr. Only the greatness of Curry kept them competitive