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Retroram52

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You might be right Ozarkram. He certainly has that Joe Willie brashness and an ego to boot. He does indeed play with a lot of fire and that would be a total change from our last-two emotionless, vanilla QBs.
 

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every1 wanted Austin I wanted Hopkins and lacy in the second and ogletree was also my other first round pick....like is said Austin is too small and lacy would have helped the run game bc we can run the ball to save our lives

and shotty isn't streaching the field with givens at all
 

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I was on espn new here but not new at all
 

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every1 wanted Austin I wanted Hopkins and lacy in the second and ogletree was also my other first round pick....like is said Austin is too small and lacy would have helped the run game bc we can run the ball to save our lives

and shotty isn't streaching the field with givens at all

Shoddy (TM, lol) is the problem with Austin as well. The offensive game plan is vanilla even with the new additions, which makes no sense at all. Shoddy should be running WR screens and/or putting Austin in motion, not putting him on the line.

I really think going to a spread to run the ball instead of a heavy package would work better, especially given the Rams new offensive weapons.
 

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no we don't need more screen passes i.e short passes to wr's we need to streach the field and we need to call givens numbers more sometimes I one see Bradford throw or look his was maybe 5 time on the high end

the thing that annoys me the most about Austin is the first guy never misses if you supposed to be small quick fast shifty kinda guy why am I not seeing it on the field? that cant all be on shotty
and ok retro sounds good
 

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Just as a bit of an update:
Most mock draft are only doing either just the 1st round or the first 2 rounds but for the most part they have us with both picks between 6-10 and varying on the picks and a few that are going further than 2 rounds even have us taking QB's in round 3
Let me give a few example:

Walter Football: #6-Mike Evans, WR TAMU #10-Taylor Lewan, OT Mich, #42 Kyle Fuller, CB/S VTech
#74 Derek Carr, QB Fresno St

DraftTek: #8-CJ Mosley, OLB Bama, #9 Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix, S Bama
I normally would not have an issue with these picks except that Jake Matthews and Marquise Lee were picked #10 and #11 in this mock. If Matthews is there, he does not get past us.

Draftsite: #6 Anthony Barr, OLB UCLA ,#8 Cyrus Kouandijo, OT Bama, #39 Craig Loston, S LSU
#70 AJ McCarron, QB Bama, #101 Jack Mewhort, OG


It is still way to early to figure who we pick since we really do not know where we will be slotted for either pick yet.
If we have a pick in the top 5, if we do not come out with either Matthews or Lewan I would consider that a fail.
Considering the QB class coming out this year, 3rd round might not be a bad place to look for a solid young backup (nay starting) QB.
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If the '9 first round QB prospects' thing holds up, you almost have to pick one just to groom him if one is there in Round 2.

Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
Aaron Murray, Georgia
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
AJ McCarron, Alabama
Tajh Boyd, Clemson
Zach Mettenberger, LSU
Braxton Miller, Ohio State
Marcus Mariota, Oregon
Derek Carr, Fresno State
 

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If the Rams have a pick in the top 10, they could do some more trading with a team that needs a QB.

Although there are multiple QB's that may be available in the draft, inevitably 2-3 will seperate themselves from the rest of the pack and make an opportunity for some trades to be made.

I don't think the Rams should draft a QB in the 1st round unless Bradford completely falls apart the rest of the season. 3rd round sound about right for right now. That may change as the season progresses however.

Right now OL and RB look like the most pressing needs with CB and S right behind ( unless Stacy really shows something the rest of the season ).

Btw, how bad would it be to see two 2nd round picks off the team this coming offseason ( Quick and Pead ). Man, what a waste of 2 early picks. Especially when they could've had Jeffery and LaVonte David and completely changed the way they drafted this last year.

Then, they could've used one of those 1st round picks to draft a legit RB ( Bell, Lacy, etc ). The franchise would be in way better shape. Then, if Bradford proved to not be the answer, they wouldn't hesitate to draft a QB in the 1st.

But, as of right now, they still have more pressing needs than QB.
 

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True but you dont draft in the first round based on needs

Uh WHAT?? That has to be the silliest thing I have EVER heard. There has not been a draft in recent memory where the top picks were simply "best player available". Imagine if Indy drafted Justin Blackmon #1 because he was "BPA". He would have Curtis Painter throwing to him.
Or if Matt Kalil was in Washington because he was a higher rated player on EVERY draft board than RG III. And there is no way either Brandon Weedon or Tim Tebow should have been 1st round picks in ANY draft EVER....but their teams drafted a need... to quote Keyshawn "Come on Man"
 

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Exactly :agree:

If teams didn't draft for need over BPA, then the Rams wouldn't have got that huge trade from the Skins because RG3 was not the #2 BPA in that draft ( he was the #2 rated QB ). If the Skins were drafting BPA, they wouldn't have traded up to take Kalil.

Teams draft for need more so than BPA. Sometimes, teams get lucky when their need matches BPA ( like Indy with Luck ) or Jax with Blackmon ( they still thought Gabbert could be a franchise QB at the time- that is no longer the case ). They will probably luck out again this year when their need matches the BPA with one of the QB's coming out.
 

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The biggest factor in the Draft is player talent. Your primary Draft board is purely about player evaluation. You adjust it for positional need, positional value, (QBs are more valuable than DTs, etc), and lastly the quality/quantity of other players available in that position in the Draft. If there's a player who's way ahead of everyone else on your Draft board you'll take him because adjustments won't put someone else ahead of him.
None of our 22 starting positions are set in stone next year. Some players are a lock to be with us, such as Laurinaitis, but he might be shifted to another LB position/role.
 

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ff, based on your theories (which I disagree with) we would have not drafted Jason Smith in the 2009 NFL Draft and would have drafted an even BIGGER bust in Mark Sanchez. He was the 3rd highest rated overall player coming out of that draft and one of them was drafted #1 (Matthew Stafford) and the other was drafted at #4 (Aaron Curry). ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS draft for need unless the highest rated player at your position of need is not rated high enough.
Take the 2012 draft as an example. When Jacksonville traded up to draft Blackmon, the Rams traded down. Why? Because the players at the position of need were not rated in the top 6, but they were rated in the top 20. The targets were (in order..and this is fact as I talked to Les Snead about this exact subject just a few weeks ago) Fletcher Cox, Michael Brockers and Dontari Poe. He had them all rated fairly close together and when Cox and Poe got drafted, it made his decision easier. The only caviat to that is that, IMO, Safety was just as big a need as DT at the time and we could have easily grabbed Mark Barron at #6 and looked elsewhere for DT.
 

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Exactly :agree:

If teams didn't draft for need over BPA, then the Rams wouldn't have got that huge trade from the Skins because RG3 was not the #2 BPA in that draft ( he was the #2 rated QB ). If the Skins were drafting BPA, they wouldn't have traded up to take Kalil.

Teams draft for need more so than BPA. Sometimes, teams get lucky when their need matches BPA ( like Indy with Luck ) or Jax with Blackmon ( they still thought Gabbert could be a franchise QB at the time- that is no longer the case ). They will probably luck out again this year when their need matches the BPA with one of the QB's coming out.
9 out of 10 times, teams really shouldn't draft for need and that 1 time is QB. QB is probably the 2nd most important position in all of sports behind only Center in the NBA and those dont seem to come along anymore.

Im sure RG3 was actually seen as the top player coming out in terms of upside by a lot of people. He was just seen as riskier than Luck. Robert Quinn wasn't an amazing need when we drafted him but he is working out.
 

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ff, based on your theories (which I disagree with) we would have not drafted Jason Smith in the 2009 NFL Draft and would have drafted an even BIGGER bust in Mark Sanchez. He was the 3rd highest rated overall player coming out of that draft and one of them was drafted #1 (Matthew Stafford) and the other was drafted at #4 (Aaron Curry). ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS draft for need unless the highest rated player at your position of need is not rated high enough.
Take the 2012 draft as an example. When Jacksonville traded up to draft Blackmon, the Rams traded down. Why? Because the players at the position of need were not rated in the top 6, but they were rated in the top 20. The targets were (in order..and this is fact as I talked to Les Snead about this exact subject just a few weeks ago) Fletcher Cox, Michael Brockers and Dontari Poe. He had them all rated fairly close together and when Cox and Poe got drafted, it made his decision easier. The only caviat to that is that, IMO, Safety was just as big a need as DT at the time and we could have easily grabbed Mark Barron at #6 and looked elsewhere for DT.
For starters, the 2009 draft just sucked. A lot of teams really whiffed on that draft.

Secondly, I agree that a team should trade up or down if they can to target players of need because talent level matters. You dont stay put and draft a guy in a position you need. You realize the value of your spot and try to get the most out of it
 

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...ff, based on your theories (which I disagree with) we would have not drafted Jason Smith in the 2009 NFL Draft and would have drafted an even BIGGER bust in Mark Sanchez. He was the 3rd highest rated overall player coming out of that draft...
Nobody rated Sanchez as the 3rd highest rated overall player and nobody projected him as a top 3 pick. If you want to say otherwise then produce some evidence to back it up. Sanchez was seen as a raw talent who was projected up from his true talent level to #8 or #10 in most mocks purely because he was a QB. Suggesting that he has produced less than Jason Smith since the 2009 Draft is also wrong.

...ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS draft for need unless the highest rated player at your position of need is not rated high enough...
You are taking a dogmatic approach to a situation and I disagree with any such approach. Each decision should be based on the strengths and merits of your player analysis. If there are 5 good DTs and 1 good S available it would be foolish to end up with a good DT and a mediocre S when you could get a good S now and a good DT later on.

...Take the 2012 draft as an example. When Jacksonville traded up to draft Blackmon, the Rams traded down. Why? Because the players at the position of need were not rated in the top 6, but they were rated in the top 20...
Both Fisher and Snead graded Brockers as a top 6 pick. The player they hoped for at #6 wasn't there.


...IMO, Safety was just as big a need as DT at the time and we could have easily grabbed Mark Barron at #6 and looked elsewhere for DT...
To say that S was as big of a need as DT at the time of the 2012 Draft doesn't match with true situation. After the 2011 season it was clear that both starting DTs were done. Both were released. We also needed a CB, even after signing Finnegan, because we lost 8 CBs to injury in 2011 and the only 1 expected to return as an NFL quality starter was Bartell, (who was a free agent). Even then we had a huge need at OT & OG. Mikell had played as well as could be expected at FS in 2011 given the lack of talent around him and he was guaranteed a franchise FS salary of $6M in 2012. Dahl was seen as a competent partner for Mikell despite his ties to the previous HC.
 
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