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[ksudodger]

Not sure about this KSU, but that 95% figure might not involve a guy that is still trying to play
football?

True story, however it is still MUCH less likely to tear a 3rd time. I agree though, it is still a risk

 

[shopson67]

Not sure about this KSU, but that 95% figure might not involve a guy that is still trying to play
football?

True story, however it is still MUCH less likely to tear a 3rd time. I agree though, it is still a risk

If they do bring him back, he better not be on the field until he is 100% with an improved line.

 

[Smed55]

I assumed that when you were talking about Sammies best year you were talking about his rookie year, if you were i think amendola had like 80 catches, that is something we haven't had in many years. If you weren't talking about that, my bad. So you are going to disregard the fact that we had a guy that was an Allpro running back that year, sorry, but that does help the passing game quite a bit!

I was actually alluding to both 2010 and 2012 (his two years he played 16 games). I agree Amendola was solid, but he really was the ONLY option. And yes, it helps to have SJ39 in the backfield. I agree there.

Davis is going to be a solid NFL QB if given an opportunity. I just do not think it will be in St Louis. Like I said, either Bradford swims this year or he, along with Fisher and Shotty, are sunk and they will either give the ball to the QB we drafted in round 3 this year (Bryce Petty.. cough cough) or maybe make a play for Connor Cook in 2016.

I think Amendola was hurt in 2012, but he was on his way to an even better year than he had in 2010, maybe a 100 catches, and I would say both of those years are better than T Austin can even dream about at this point. That's what I'm not getting, both are slot guys, but for some reason we can't get Austin involved in more than 5 or 6 plays a game, and half of those are runs that to me is coaching, or rather a lack of coaching!

Don't hate Bradford, just get tired of all the positive talk about him, when we haven't seen anything to merit that. As a Ram fan, "if" he plays 16 games next year, I do hope he gets the job done, I just don't see it based on the past 5 years that's why I don't get all the Bradford SportsHoopla, it's based on what?

 

[zeke2829]

Actually the hit that knocked him out this year wasnt a very hard hit whatsoever. His leg was straight the whole time! If he gets a season ending injury the easiliy, why should we want his guy back?

Have you ever torn an ACL?? If you plant the wrong way, a repaired ACL can tear again very easily. Just look at Carson Palmer in our game this year. He planted and went down. Not even hit. Also, medical research has shown that a third tear of the same ligament is 95% less likely than a 2nd. He gets 2015 to sink or swim. If he succeeds, we win. If he does not, we move on and so do Bradford,Fisher and Shotty. It is really a low risk proposition.l

Ummmm.... you completely missed my point! Qbs are constantly planting and throwing! You said yourself, all it takes is a simple planting and bang its all over. Seems to me this is a trainwreck in the making! Except this time its the 2nd repair! What do you think the qb does? Stand still? Do you think that he can improve his play by not making sudden stops or planting his feet properly?? Eeh hem!

 

[ksudodger]

No I got your point brother Zeke.... I just think it is a low risk proposition. I also think he came back WAY too soon from the first tear. He will have had a year to heal prior to ANY football related activity. Plus it is his NON PLANTING knee that has torn twice (his left). Freak injuries both times. Low risk brother..

 

[zeke2829]

No I got your point brother Zeke.... I just think it is a low risk proposition. I also think he came back WAY too soon from the first tear. He will have had a year to heal prior to ANY football related activity. Plus it is his NON PLANTING knee that has torn twice (his left). Freak injuries both times. Low risk brother..

Low Risk? Boy, I don't know about that. 2 ACL repairs? Doesn't matter if his planting foot or not. He is a pocket passer, he will get a blind sided hit sooner or later, d-lineman already know his injury history and they will be gunning for him even more now!

I hear what you're sayin, but this scares the hell out of me. One wrong twist or bend and its Bam, "time to bring out the meat wagon again".

 

[ksudodger]

When I say low risk I mean he is going to take a HUGE paycut to get one more shot and if he fails we can let him walk. We are not on the hook to keep after this year. THAT was what I meant. He has this year to sink or swim and if he sinks, so do Fisher and Shotty.

 

[ozarkram]

I think Amendola was hurt in 2012, but he was on his way to an even better year than he had in 2010, maybe a 100 catches, and I would say both of those years are better than T Austin can even dream about at this point. That's what I'm not getting, both are slot guys, but for some reason we can't get Austin involved in more than 5 or 6 plays a game, and half of those are runs that to me is coaching, or rather a lack of coaching!

Don't hate Bradford, just get tired of all the positive talk about him, when we haven't seen anything to merit that. As a Ram fan, "if" he plays 16 games next year, I do hope he gets the job done, I just don't see it based on the past 5 years that's why I don't get all the Bradford SportsHoopla, it's based on what?

Like it or not Bradford is the prototype NFL QB. On the surface he has everything. Size, strength, rocket arm. Everything that makes coaches wet their selves and giggle like little girls. And I dare say coming out their wasn't a team that would have passed on him.

 

[Retroram52]

I don't know where this idea of Davis having a weak arm got started on this thread, but you don't break Brett Favre's college passing record with a noodle arm.

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

I don't know where this idea of Davis having a weak arm got started on this thread, but you don't break Brett Favre's college passing record with a noodle arm.

I don't know Retro

Davis has a weak arm and apparently Bradford has a rocket arm.

Are we in an alternate universe?

 

[Retroram52]

Yea ALR. Something got lost in the translation with all this banter back and forth.

 

[Smed55]

I don't know where this idea of Davis having a weak arm got started on this thread, but you don't break Brett Favre's college passing record with a noodle arm.

I pretty much think it's the Coug, that keeps saying Bradford has the golden arm.

 

[Smed55]

Like it or not Bradford is the prototype NFL QB. On the surface he has everything. Size, strength, rocket arm. Everything that makes coaches wet their selves and giggle like little girls. And I dare say coming out their wasn't a team that would have passed on him.

Jamarcus Russel had the size, strength, and rocket arm also. There are a ton of young college QB, that have all those attributes, doesnt mean they are going to do anything in the NFL. You may be right about "wasn't a team that would have passed on him" but then again I think there may have been some smart teams that would have looked at him missing pretty much his last TWO years of college, and saying no thank you! I didnt like the pick then, I like it even less now! That was a lot of money to throw at a kid who had one HUGE year!

He didn't do a whole lot in the 3 games he played his junior year, as Couger keeps alluding to, maybe teams had enough film on him and they figured him out!

 

[27mtrcougar]

Jamarcus Russel had the size, strength, and rocket arm also. There are a ton of young college QB, that have all those attributes, doesnt mean they are going to do anything in the NFL. You may be right about "wasn't a team that would have passed on him" but then again I think there may have been some smart teams that would have looked at him missing pretty much his last TWO years of college, and saying no thank you! I didnt like the pick then, I like it even less now! That was a lot of money to throw at a kid who had one HUGE year!

He didn't do a whole lot in the 3 games he played his junior year, as Couger keeps alluding to, maybe teams had enough film on him and they figured him out!

Yeah just because you have all those attributes doesn't mean you will make it but it helps to have them to begin with...


Awards and Honors
2008 AP Player of the Year Award
2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year
2008 Consensus All-America
2008 Davey O'Brien Award
2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy
2008 Sammy Baugh Trophy
Heisman Voting
2008 1726 Points (1st)
Pass Completions
2007 Big 12 237 (8th)
2008 NCAA 328 (8th)
2008 Big 12 328 (5th)
Pass Attempts
2007 Big 12 341 (10th)
2008 NCAA 483 (8th)
2008 Big 12 483 (4th)
Pass Completion Percentage
2007 NCAA 69.5 (5th)
2007 Big 12 69.5 (2nd)
2008 NCAA 67.9 (7th)
2008 Big 12 67.9 (4th)
Passing Yards
2007 Big 12 3121 (6th)
2008 NCAA 4720 (3rd)
2008 Big 12 4720 (2nd)
Passing Yards Per Attempt
2007 NCAA 9.2 (3rd)
2007 Big 12 9.2 (1st)
2008 NCAA 9.8 (2nd)
2008 Big 12 9.8 (1st)

Adjusted Passing Yards Per Attempt
2007 NCAA 10.2 (2nd)
2007 Big 12 10.2 (1st)
2008 NCAA 11.1 (1st)
2008 Big 12 11.1 (1st)

Passing Touchdowns
2007 NCAA 36 (5th)
2007 Big 12 36 (2nd)
2008 NCAA 50 (1st)
2008 Big 12 50 (1st)

Yeah I'm sure a lot of teams would have passed on him lol

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

Yeah just because you have all those attributes doesn't mean you will make it but it helps to have them to begin with...


Awards and Honors
2008 AP Player of the Year Award
2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year
2008 Consensus All-America
2008 Davey O'Brien Award
2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy
2008 Sammy Baugh Trophy
Heisman Voting
2008 1726 Points (1st)
Pass Completions
2007 Big 12 237 (8th)
2008 NCAA 328 (8th)
2008 Big 12 328 (5th)
Pass Attempts
2007 Big 12 341 (10th)
2008 NCAA 483 (8th)
2008 Big 12 483 (4th)
Pass Completion Percentage
2007 NCAA 69.5 (5th)
2007 Big 12 69.5 (2nd)
2008 NCAA 67.9 (7th)
2008 Big 12 67.9 (4th)
Passing Yards
2007 Big 12 3121 (6th)
2008 NCAA 4720 (3rd)
2008 Big 12 4720 (2nd)
Passing Yards Per Attempt
2007 NCAA 9.2 (3rd)
2007 Big 12 9.2 (1st)
2008 NCAA 9.8 (2nd)
2008 Big 12 9.8 (1st)

Adjusted Passing Yards Per Attempt
2007 NCAA 10.2 (2nd)
2007 Big 12 10.2 (1st)
2008 NCAA 11.1 (1st)
2008 Big 12 11.1 (1st)

Passing Touchdowns
2007 NCAA 36 (5th)
2007 Big 12 36 (2nd)
2008 NCAA 50 (1st)
2008 Big 12 50 (1st)

Yeah I'm sure a lot of teams would have passed on him lol

Yep

Too bad those stats don't show you how much a guy hates to study a playbook and how much he loves to eat.

 

[Smed55]

Yeah just because you have all those attributes doesn't mean you will make it but it helps to have them to begin with...


Awards and Honors
2008 AP Player of the Year Award
2008 Big 12 Offensive Player of the Year
2008 Consensus All-America
2008 Davey O'Brien Award
2008 Heisman Memorial Trophy
2008 Sammy Baugh Trophy
Heisman Voting
2008 1726 Points (1st)
Pass Completions
2007 Big 12 237 (8th)
2008 NCAA 328 (8th)
2008 Big 12 328 (5th)
Pass Attempts
2007 Big 12 341 (10th)
2008 NCAA 483 (8th)
2008 Big 12 483 (4th)
Pass Completion Percentage
2007 NCAA 69.5 (5th)
2007 Big 12 69.5 (2nd)
2008 NCAA 67.9 (7th)
2008 Big 12 67.9 (4th)
Passing Yards
2007 Big 12 3121 (6th)
2008 NCAA 4720 (3rd)
2008 Big 12 4720 (2nd)
Passing Yards Per Attempt
2007 NCAA 9.2 (3rd)
2007 Big 12 9.2 (1st)
2008 NCAA 9.8 (2nd)
2008 Big 12 9.8 (1st)

Adjusted Passing Yards Per Attempt
2007 NCAA 10.2 (2nd)
2007 Big 12 10.2 (1st)
2008 NCAA 11.1 (1st)
2008 Big 12 11.1 (1st)

Passing Touchdowns
2007 NCAA 36 (5th)
2007 Big 12 36 (2nd)
2008 NCAA 50 (1st)
2008 Big 12 50 (1st)

Yeah I'm sure a lot of teams would have passed on him lol

Do you even read anything, or just the parts you want to? I said there probably would be SOME teams, not alot. Bradford had a GREAT sophmore year, then he didn't play for pretty much two years, any SMART business man would be a little leary to spend that kind of money on a young kid who had 1 great year as a sophomore in college. I'm sure A Lot of teams would have taken a chance on him, I don't think a lot of teams would have taken that chance with the number 1 overall pick.

And thank you for spending all that time typing all that information that I already knew!


College stats don't always translate to the NFL, especially after your sophomore year.

Colt Breenan and his 58 TD passes one year were quite impressive, but where is he now, not in the NFL and I'm sure you probably never even heard of him!

Sammies "college" stats mean he was pretty good in "college" and that's all it means. Out of the top 20 QB's
with the most TD passes in a season, only one, that's "ONE" ever did anything in the NFL, and that was Jim McMahon, and he really wasn't that good either!

So you can throw all the COLLEGE stats and awards out there that you want, all it proves is that Sammie was pretty good in COLLEGE.

Are you getting any of this?

 

[27mtrcougar]

Yep

Too bad those stats don't show you how much a guy hates to study a playbook and how much he loves to eat.

What do you mean? He doesn't know the playbook?

 

[Smed55]

Oh and by the way TWO time Heisman winner Archie Griffin, GREAT "college" player, sucked in the NFL, when will you learn that college is not as good as the NFL.

Let me break it down for you
Bradford= GREAT college QB

Bradford= average NFL QB

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

What do you mean? He doesn't know the playbook?

Sorry

JR's name came up and I thought that's who you were referring too.

My bad.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Do you even read anything, or just the parts you want to? I said there probably would be SOME teams, not alot. Bradford had a GREAT sophmore year, then he didn't play for pretty much two years, any SMART business man would be a little leary to spend that kind of money on a young kid who had 1 great year as a sophomore in college. I'm sure A Lot of teams would have taken a chance on him, I don't think a lot of teams would have taken that chance with the number 1 overall pick.

And thank you for spending all that time typing all that information that I already knew!


College stats don't always translate to the NFL, especially after your sophomore year.

Colt Breenan and his 58 TD passes one year were quite impressive, but where is he now, not in the NFL and I'm sure you probably never even heard of him!

Sammies "college" stats mean he was pretty good in "college" and that's all it means. Out of the top 20 QB's
with the most TD passes in a season, only one, that's "ONE" ever did anything in the NFL, and that was Jim McMahon, and he really wasn't that good either!

So you can throw all the COLLEGE stats and awards out there that you want, all it proves is that Sammie was pretty good in COLLEGE.

Are you getting any of this?

It's funny u love stats unless it's not what u want to see. Every nfl scout and so called experts like kiper and mcShay agreed he was the #1 QB that year and I believe was the highest prospects ever. So no one that needed a QB would have passed on him. There was more then enough tape on him to see the talent. your the one typing I copy n paste.