Done with KC

[j_y19]

So they have to exercise the 5th year option before next season begins? Right now I would tend to agree with you. Even more of a reason we need him to get back into the lineup this year. With a half season remaining, we will get a good fell if he is making strides or struggling with reads and pocket awareness.

Also agree that 5 years is plenty of time to know if he's the one. If he hasn't improved by the end of next season, expect we will be drafting a qb again in 2016.

 

[Sharkinva]

So they have to exercise the 5th year option before next season begins? Right now I would tend to agree with you. Even more of a reason we need him to get back into the lineup this year. With a half season remaining, we will get a good fell if he is making strides or struggling with reads and pocket awareness.

Also agree that 5 years is plenty of time to know if he's the one. If he hasn't improved by the end of next season, expect we will be drafting a qb again in 2016.

The window for exercising the option opens after the player’s third regular season ends, and it continues through May 3. As one league source recently explained it, teams would be foolish to exercise the option before May 3.

They’d be foolish to do it because the amount of the fifth-year salary becomes immediately guaranteed for injury once the option is exercised. Thus, if a team exercises the option now and the player suffers a serious injury during any postseason games or offseason workouts before May 3, the team would be on the hook for the money in the event the injury ends the player’s career or keeps him out of action for two seasons.

For players taken in the top 10, the fifth-year option equals the transition tender for the player’s position in the fourth year of his contract. (The transition tender is based on the average of the 10 highest-paid players at the position.) For players taken from No. 11 through No. 32, the option arises from the average of the 25 highest-paid players at the position, with the top three excluded.


In other words, we have to decide on the 5th year option before he takes a snap in the 4th year. And it pays him an average of the top ten players at his position, full guaranteed against everything except him walking away from the team.

 

[skinsdad62]

right now i wouldnt give him a 5th year

he has to prove something when he comes back just like rak

 

[Sleepy T]

right now i wouldnt give him a 5th year

he has to prove something when he comes back just like rak

I can see your point too Dad. But if they don't give him a 5th, and he comes out next year and plays lights out, he can test the market right? Could we then franchise him off of his rookie contract? It's a gamble either way.

Sorry guys... I don't know the ins and outs of contracts and such.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Shark, I also have to give you props. You were one of the very few that was against the trade to get RG3, primarily because of the huge cost we paid. Well, it appears that you were right. We did pay too much, in hindsight, if for no other reason than his injury history. So while I disagree with you on the status of RG3 today and giving him more time, I do now agree that we gave up too much for what we have received.

I loved your post #67. Maybe the best post I've read on this board. You said what I've been trying to say only you said it better.

Regarding this post I agree that right now, today, the trade appears to be bad value. But if it's too early to proclaim Griff a bust it's also to early to put a rating on this trade. What if he reverts to 2012 and remains healthy? 2 years ago the league believe the Redskins made a great deal. While it's less likely now it's still very possible that Griffin shows that he was worth the picks.

And again look at the Rams as evidence to date that all those picks and marginal QBs is not exactly the answer. That would have been us without the trade.

 

[j_y19]

I loved your post #67. Maybe the best post I've read on this board. You said what I've been trying to say only you said it better.

Regarding this post I agree that right now, today, the trade appears to be bad value. But if it's too early to proclaim Griff a bust it's also to early to put a rating on this trade. What if he reverts to 2012 and remains healthy? 2 years ago the league believe the Redskins made a great deal. While it's less likely now it's still very possible that Griffin shows that he was worth the picks.

And again look at the Rams as evidence to date that all those picks and marginal QBs is not exactly the answer. That would have been us without the trade.

Damn. Do I get an award or something?

Griffin could still step up. I do believe he will never be a traditional pocket passer. he is best when he is in space. That freezes the defense and creates openings and passing lanes. The questions are can Gruden modify his offense to allow for this, will Griffin accept this and can he remain upright. 2 of the 3 are on Griffin. Oh, by the way, this will also help Morris and the running attack.

 

[Sharkinva]

I can see your point too Dad. But if they don't give him a 5th, and he comes out next year and plays lights out, he can test the market right? Could we then franchise him off of his rookie contract? It's a gamble either way.

Sorry guys... I don't know the ins and outs of contracts and such.

Yes the team could franchise him coming off his rookie year. But in that case would have to fully guarantee a salary that is the average of the top 5 Qbs in the league. The 5th year option averages out the top 10 QBs in the league. reality is its likely to be a difference of $2 million or less on that deal. The real catch is that we have to decide use the 5th year option BEFORE he even takes a snap in his 4th year. Where as we could let him play out his entire 4th year and franchise him basically.

 

[sublime4eva]

Wilson and Kaep have been able to do quite a few things that Bob CANT.


1. Stay Healthy.
2. Some semblance of reading defenses
3. Not take needless sacks and hits.


But then again I never said or hinted the other two are not franchise QB. I simply stated that RG3 ISNT one. Dont get mad at me because we went for the hype over substance yet again.

Anyone can read a defense if they have time to pass. lol

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

With the price of QBs I can't even imagine what a franchise tag would cost for Griffin.

 

[Sharkinva]

Anyone can read a defense if they have time to pass. lol

reading a defense is a pre-snap skill. Now going through ones progressions is a post snap skill. And i will agree if that he had more time in the pocket he might become better at this. But reading the defense is the skill of figuring out what the defense is trying to do to you BEFORE the ball is snapped. Spotting the blitz before it comes, or figuring out if the defense is really in man or zone coverage. Give almost any QB at the NFL level enough time and they can get through their progressions. Some folks are just faster at it than others naturally.