Does Brady have anything else left to prove?

[NEhomer]

I'm not seeing the bad throws mojo. I'm sincerely not trying to be a contrarian but he still hits a very high percentage of the throws he intends. Brady intends to miss receivers who aren't open and thus avoid INTs.

I think he's done more with less than any QB in the league this year. Call me a ball washer...don't really care. He's still the best QB in the league.

GOAT? nope. Top five though.

...and ftr, BOAT is a less confusing acronym than GOAT.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

104.5 The Zone out of Nashville TN has had multiple people on multiple shows mention Brady and MVP due to what has been done with who in New England. Naitionally sindicated shows. Not to mention NFL network, ESPN and Yahoo! Sports.

Time for you to look at the world beyond your moms basement.

LOL Yeah that's it anyone that thinks Brady should be mentioned in the MVP conversation this year if one of two things, 1. Completely Ignorant 2. A blind ass homer. We know which you are if not both.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

I'm not seeing the bad throws mojo. I'm sincerely not trying to be a contrarian but he still hits a very high percentage of the throws he intends. Brady intends to miss receivers who aren't open and thus avoid INTs.

I think he's done more with less than any QB in the league this year. Call me a ball washer...don't really care. He's still the best QB in the league.

GOAT? nope. Top five though.

...and ftr, BOAT is a less confusing acronym than GOAT.

Oyy here we go yet another excuse. I am sure there are balls Tom throws away, of that I have no doubt. And I am equally sure there are a lot of poorly thrown balls. For years the talks were always about his accuracy and precision if those talks have turned to there are throws he intentionally misses I think that helps prove the point.

 

[NEhomer]

Dude, I'm seriously amazed by his accuracy...still.

We disagree, no biggie.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

Dude, I'm seriously amazed by his accuracy...still.

We disagree, no biggie.

And I am not saying on some or a lot of the throws the accuracy isn't there, I am saying some of the throws he made 4 and 5 years ago he can't make anymore. And this is not a new phenomenon, we watched it happen with Montana as well, whom I feel is the GOAT.

 

[JDM]

Accuracy goes hand on hand with knowing where your receivers will be. When you're integrating an entirely new set of weapons, your accuracy will suffer, because the spot you're aiming at isn't necessarily the spot the receiver will be.

Even with a guy running a straight line it takes time to consistently hit them in stride. When you add options and cuts, you will look less accurate.

 

[TKO]

And I am not saying on some or a lot of the throws the accuracy isn't there, I am saying some of the throws he made 4 and 5 years ago he can't make anymore. And this is not a new phenomenon, we watched it happen with Montana as well, whom I feel is the GOAT.

For his entire Niner career Montana had arguably the greatest WR to ever play the game. Brady has never had that kind of weapon long term or continuity with the same players.

Brady: 359 TDs -- 134 Ints -- 14 seasons

Montana: 273 Tds -- 139 Ints -- 15 seasons

Brady is the hands down winner.

 

[JDM]

You can't compare numbers straight up. The eras weren't close.

 

[bunchofpixels]

My only problem with Brady is he has trouble throwing down field. He seems to struggle in knowing how much air to put under the ball in certain situations

 

[TKO]

You can't compare numbers straight up. The eras weren't close.

The Eras

Montana played in an era of much less turnover among players. With no free agency, the 49ers were able to amass a dominating roster around Montana. His backup quarterback was a Hall of Famer-in-waiting. He had two elite wide receivers, a Pro Bowl running back, an experienced and talented offensive line and an underrated defense. In four Super Bowls the 49ers allowed only 63 points total, but they scored 55 in the 1990 game against the Broncos alone.

Brady has enjoyed continuity for his era, but the Patriots have not been able to hoard talented players the way the Steelers and 49ers were able to during their dynasties. Considering the parity in today’s N.F.L., the fact that Brady has been the face of five Super Bowl teams is an achievement in itself.
Advantage: Brady

 

[JDM]

Winning Montana had an advantage. But numbers? Brady did and it's not close.

 

[bunchofpixels]

The Eras

Montana played in an era of much less turnover among players. With no free agency, the 49ers were able to amass a dominating roster around Montana. His backup quarterback was a Hall of Famer-in-waiting. He had two elite wide receivers, a Pro Bowl running back, an experienced and talented offensive line and an underrated defense. In four Super Bowls the 49ers allowed only 63 points total, but they scored 55 in the 1990 game against the Broncos alone.

Brady has enjoyed continuity for his era, but the Patriots have not been able to hoard talented players the way the Steelers and 49ers were able to during their dynasties. Considering the parity in today’s N.F.L., the fact that Brady has been the face of five Super Bowl teams is an achievement in itself.
Advantage: Brady

The point is passing statistics are inflated compared to Montana's era. In today's NFL you have to throw close to 50TDs in a season to lead the league. In Montana's era, it was closer to 30TDs. Yardage is also inflated. It's not apples to apples.

 

[TKO]

The point is passing statistics are inflated compared to Montana's era. In today's NFL you have to throw close to 50TDs in a season to lead the league. In Montana's era, it was closer to 30TDs. Yardage is also inflated. It's not apples to apples.

If I had to choose who the backup QB would be if they were both on my team and in their prime.

Brady would be my starter. End of story.

You can have Montana and we'll kick your ASS.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

LOL Yeah that's it anyone that thinks Brady should be mentioned in the MVP conversation this year if one of two things, 1. Completely Ignorant 2. A blind ass homer. We know which you are if not both.

Close.

Ignorant, but not completely.
Homer, but not blind ass.
But that doesn't change the fact that Brady has been mentioned in the MVP battle, quite often, nationally. Maybe even by people who vote for MVP honors...

 

[Drawmeomg]

So that equates to daily talk of him being MVP? And if they think Brady is the reason the Patriots aren't bombing they have not been watching the Patriots. IMO the run game is what saved our asses this year and some off the bench players stepping up coupled with coaching. The media has always ball washed Brady and always will. Being on a watch list does not equate to being talked about daily, I imagine there are quite a few players that are on the watch list at pre-season.

Well, weekly, since they didn't run that feature daily. But then, they weren't the only ones talking about it.

You asked who else was talking about it. I answered. People were talking about it. I get that you think it's silly, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

My only problem with Brady is he has trouble throwing down field. He seems to struggle in knowing how much air to put under the ball in certain situations

Same is true with sideline passes at times. That is typically do to reduced arm strength. I am tickled by some of the responses I get here. Tom is not the QB he was 5 or six years ago it happens we all get older.

 

[MrMoJoRisin63]

For his entire Niner career Montana had arguably the greatest WR to ever play the game. Brady has never had that kind of weapon long term or continuity with the same players.

Brady: 359 TDs -- 134 Ints -- 14 seasons

Montana: 273 Tds -- 139 Ints -- 15 seasons

Brady is the hands down winner.

And Brady had the benefits of SPygate, any Pats fan that thinks we did not gain an edge from that is clueless. ( Not saying that is you). In the end it's my opinion I am okay with it, I just don't feel Tom is GOAT that's not to say or imply he is not great.

 

[JasonCarrier]

And Brady had the benefits of SPygate, any Pats fan that thinks we did not gain an edge from that is clueless. ( Not saying that is you). In the end it's my opinion I am okay with it, I just don't feel Tom is GOAT that's not to say or imply he is not great.

Yes because something that all of the leagues QBs have/had access to is soooo beneficial

As of right now Brady is looking up at one and only one QB and that is Montana. If he wins a ring (or two) before he does retire, that will be the end all be all in the discussion. As far as right now, with the current crop of QBs and the QBs of his generation, he is the greatest.

 

[NEhomer]

As of right now Brady is looking up at one and only one QB and that is Montana. If he wins a ring (or two) before he does retire, that will be the end all be all in the discussion. As far as right now, with the current crop of QBs and the QBs of his generation, he is the greatest.

Bingo...thus as I said, he needs one more ring badly. Filming signals does nothing but require the opposing team to change theirs. One more detail they're required to apply. Beyond that distraction, no, I don't think there's a whole lot to it. I've said it before, if that Rams SB practice tape ever surfaces, I'll do a 180. Till then, they broke a taping rule.

 

[JDM]

And Brady had the benefits of SPygate, any Pats fan that thinks we did not gain an edge from that is clueless. ( Not saying that is you). In the end it's my opinion I am okay with it, I just don't feel Tom is GOAT that's not to say or imply he is not great.

Spygate? Laughable. The whole thing was laughable at the time as literally every single team did it every week.