Does anybody find it slightly odd

[aubie2006]

that Hue Jackson kept his job (for the mean time) after going 1-31, yet Freddie Kitchens (not necessarily against the firing, though coaches should have more than 1 year) was fired after going 6-10. I know the talent differential was pretty significant, but still.

 

[pitman]

It’s Cleveland, a coach could probably win the SB and be fired.

IMO it takes 3 years to turn a program around

 

[Dude]

I think they should have kept the interim coach.

 

[msgkings322]

It’s Cleveland, a coach could probably win the SB and be fired.

IMO it takes 3 years to turn a program around

Bill Walsh was 8-24 his first two years as a head coach

 

[Manster7588]

that Hue Jackson kept his job (for the mean time) after going 1-31, yet Freddie Kitchens (not necessarily against the firing, though coaches should have more than 1 year) was fired after going 6-10. I know the talent differential was pretty significant, but still.

I think it was more about the relationship between him and Mayfield more than his coaching performance.

 

[Tapey]

Bill Walsh was 8-24 his first two years as a head coach

What a bum

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Nope. If they fired him there'd be some racial lawsuit. I mean, it's obvious that black people can't c-

 

[PDay8810]

I think it was more about the relationship between him and Mayfield more than his coaching performance.

THIS!!!
cleveland gave the keys to mayfield after just 11 games.

good luck with all that

 

[Fountain City Blues]

No, because this is Haslam we're talking about here.

Hue Jackson didn't deserve that leash and Kitchens didn't deserve to make it beyond this year.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Kitchens was a bad hire to begin with and it was obvious very early on that he wasn't in any way qualified. To keep coaches on in that situation just makes a bad thing worse. Very similar to Arizona last year with Wilks. It would have been dumber to keep him.

 

[richig07]

that Hue Jackson kept his job (for the mean time) after going 1-31, yet Freddie Kitchens (not necessarily against the firing, though coaches should have more than 1 year) was fired after going 6-10. I know the talent differential was pretty significant, but still.

No.

Hue's team was built to tank. Kitchen's team had expectations of a playoff run. Not just reaching the playoffs. Winning when they got there. At least, by many.

It's also not just the fact that they had a losing season with those expectations. It's the nature of HOW it happened. The team clearly had no respect for him and was totally out of control.

That's not to say that Hue deserved the leash he got either. It's just... different. Two very, very different situations.

 

[richig07]

Bill Walsh was 8-24 his first two years as a head coach

Very different time. The salary cap didn't exist until 1994. Free agency didn't exist until 1989.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

that Hue Jackson kept his job (for the mean time) after going 1-31, yet Freddie Kitchens (not necessarily against the firing, though coaches should have more than 1 year) was fired after going 6-10. I know the talent differential was pretty significant, but still.

I dont find it odd at all.
Kitchens was a fucking idiot & he lost the locker room. As soon as a coach loses the locker room you pretty much have to fire him. 1st smart thing the browns have done in awhile.
But you can also look it at this way.
They learned by allowing Hue to stay & didnt repeat that mistake.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

It’s Cleveland, a coach could probably win the SB and be fired.

IMO it takes 3 years to turn a program around

well technically Bill Belichick got fired from the Browns. So there is that.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Bill Walsh was 8-24 his first two years as a head coach

but to be fair. Back then Coaches were on a 5 year plan to turn a place around. They werent dealing with FA or Salary caps like they do now. Now it is all about winning now.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Very different time. The salary cap didn't exist until 1994. Free agency didn't exist until 1989.

Dammit. Should have read through before posting LOL

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

that Hue Jackson kept his job (for the mean time) after going 1-31, yet Freddie Kitchens (not necessarily against the firing, though coaches should have more than 1 year) was fired after going 6-10. I know the talent differential was pretty significant, but still.

That's an easy answer. Haslem was getting a lot of heat from local media and other owners for firing coaches so quick so he deliberately held on too long with Hue

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Very different time. The salary cap didn't exist until 1994. Free agency didn't exist until 1989.

I don't think you really need to go that far. Kyle Shanahan probably would suffice.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

that Hue Jackson kept his job (for the mean time) after going 1-31, yet Freddie Kitchens (not necessarily against the firing, though coaches should have more than 1 year) was fired after going 6-10. I know the talent differential was pretty significant, but still.

Steve Wilks had a terrible 1st yr in AZ and was fired after one season...by all means Hue Jackson could've been let go after one season as well....the only reasoning behind it had to be Haslam wanted to keep him...'17 was Dorsey's 1st yr, it would've made perfect sense to let him start with his choice at HC and QB, yet Hue was retained.

Kitchens was Dorsey's hire and there had to be a lot of internal support for Kitchens to keep some continuity with the OFC for the 2nd yr QB. Nothing else on his resume suggested he should get that gig...clearly he wasn't ready for the stage the Browns were on this season. Kitchens was on Hue's staff, no connection with Dorsey really so it was easy for him to move on now.

 

[Iggloo]

It was clear Kitchens could not do it plus there are actually expectations of winning in Cleveland now.