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[Peter Gozintite]

Great… trade one failed QB for a future failed Chicago QB.

Mariota will fall flat on his face in this league. I have absolutely no doubt.

wager?

 

[richig07]

wager?

You name it.

A QB who has never made a read in his entire life, a play call, check, or lined up under center… has never EVER had to worry about his footwork or pocket awareness… is at such a GIGANTIC disadvantage, it simply can't be stated enough. Not to mention, in a league where most QB's PERIOD fail to begin with.

Factor in his lack of arm strength, it's an almost certain fail. I have never been more confident that a QB will bust. I said the same thing about Gabbert. I don't even begin to comprehend how anyone likes him, especially if you watched the national title game. Where the Ohio State Buckeyes literally had the poor kid wishing he could just go home by the fourth quarter.

His ONLY chance of remaining a starter for any extended period of time would be running the spread in Philly. He would be a complete and utter disaster in any pro style offense. Take it to the bank.

I will bet anything, the odds are extremely in my favor. You must also define what "success" is, when we're talking about this wager. Hard to put something exact on that definition.

 

[anotheridiot]

well, they also said Bridgewater didnt have the arm strength to do anything in Minnesota either. As far as Mariota might be there at 7 anyway, it would seem part of the plan would be having an excuse to move cutler.

Said all along they should take Mariota and let him watch, so I would be for taking him at 7, but it sure seems like the decision was made on Marshall before they got to see his side. So they are being proactive now. We have a big enough mess with Houston and Allen leftover the defensive panic signings. Maybe they just want a clean slate.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

for what it's worth, this is not my opinion, but according to scouting reports, Mariota has more strengths than his outrageous athleticism. He is also an extremely accurate passer and has an above average quick release. His arm strength is also considered very strong, at least according to virtually every scouting report on him I have read. Crucially, he has deep accuracy. He has numerous other positive qualities in the eyes of the scouts.

See for example:

Marcus Mariota: Full NFL Draft scouting report
WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Marcus Mariota
Marcus Mariota scouting report: Strengths and weaknesses heading into NFL | NFL | Sporting News
Marcus Mariota | Draft Breakdown
Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
Marcus Mariota's Draft Stock: What Flaws Concern Scouts Most | Bleacher Report

It sounds like his primary "weakness" is that his college ball was played in a non-pro offense without NFL-type read requirements. That may slow him some in 2015, but it says nothing about his long term development, because it's not like the same wasn't true of many other QBs who came into the league and were successful.

I don't know whether he will be great or a bust. But I do know that the definitive opinions tossed around here seem a little out of place.

 

[GenJac]

Da Bears have wayyyyyyyyy too many Defensive needs to even consider drafting a QB, much less an offensive player, much much less moving up in the draft to draft on offensive player. BOTH of the last 2 seasons Jay Cutler has played well enough to take Chicago to the playoffs and the Bears Defense has blown it.

The bottom line is that Jay Cutler is a good QB, certainly good enough to be a consistent playoff QB if injury free. Stupid pundits want to blame everything on the QB, when the reality is that the Bears have had absolutely horrific Defense the last couple of seasons, the O Lines have been subpar as well.

 

[anotheridiot]

Da Bears have wayyyyyyyyy too many Defensive needs to even consider drafting a QB, much less an offensive player, much much less moving up in the draft to draft on offensive player. BOTH of the last 2 seasons Jay Cutler has played well enough to take Chicago to the playoffs and the Bears Defense has blown it.

The bottom line is that Jay Cutler is a good QB, certainly good enough to be a consistent playoff QB if injury free. Stupid pundits want to blame everything on the QB, when the reality is that the Bears have had absolutely horrific Defense the last couple of seasons, the O Lines have been subpar as well.

They signed a scat back, a third or fourth wide receiver and a center as free agents, got rid of Marshall.

All the 4-3 defensive ends are being tried out as OLB, they signed two, brings the possible candidates up to around 12-14 too many already in house.

They signed a cornerback to try to use Jennings as the nickel guy, that gives us 7. There are only 3 safeties on the roster currently figure Rolle and Mundy are starters anyway, one 10 year vet center. 5 tight ends.

I guess what I am saying is there is an excuse to not go defense with that first pick if you want to swing for your in house quarterback at 7, considering you will not be picking at 7 or higher for the next decade.

Receiver, safety, mid to late round hopefully future center, to me it seems like they are looking for a reason to not have to go defense with that first pick, unless Fox sees the next Peppers in Fowler or Beasley at 7. You are still gonna get a good player at 20, as long as its not a project pick knowing he belongs at a different position he played his entire career in college, you know what you graded him on to draft him. Shea-itis.

Now trade up to two then down to 20 should net bodies, yeah, probably 5-7 over this and next year, (figuring you would have the option to swap picks with Tenn next year if they are higher as part of the deal.

I just dont know. It seemed they had their minds made up with Marshall before getting his side of the story. I kinda think the same decision has been made about Jay. I think its an interesting way to pick up part of his salary so you can deal him.

 

[anotheridiot]

Da Bears have wayyyyyyyyy too many Defensive needs to even consider drafting a QB, much less an offensive player, much much less moving up in the draft to draft on offensive player. BOTH of the last 2 seasons Jay Cutler has played well enough to take Chicago to the playoffs and the Bears Defense has blown it.

The bottom line is that Jay Cutler is a good QB, certainly good enough to be a consistent playoff QB if injury free. Stupid pundits want to blame everything on the QB, when the reality is that the Bears have had absolutely horrific Defense the last couple of seasons, the O Lines have been subpar as well.

Nobody is blaming everything on the quarterback, just want him to be blamed enough for the 18% of the salary cap he is taking up. There is nothing I want more than to get back the monsters of the midway, and god willing, some day, the honey bears. We are considering Jay guaranteed for two more years. What about after that? Rodgers sat for almost 3 full seasons, watched, learned, and is one of the best in the game.

Are you not only accepting Cutler for the next two seasons, but the four after that as well when we will need to start paying these guys that are working on the new defense to keep them? I dont mind drafting Mariota, to be the starting quarterback in 2017 if he learns the game. That is the choice now, not drafting a kid in 2017 to make him the starter.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

You name it.

A QB who has never made a read in his entire life, a play call, check, or lined up under center… has never EVER had to worry about his footwork or pocket awareness… is at such a GIGANTIC disadvantage, it simply can't be stated enough. Not to mention, in a league where most QB's PERIOD fail to begin with.

Factor in his lack of arm strength, it's an almost certain fail. I have never been more confident that a QB will bust. I said the same thing about Gabbert. I don't even begin to comprehend how anyone likes him, especially if you watched the national title game. Where the Ohio State Buckeyes literally had the poor kid wishing he could just go home by the fourth quarter.

His ONLY chance of remaining a starter for any extended period of time would be running the spread in Philly. He would be a complete and utter disaster in any pro style offense. Take it to the bank.

I will bet anything, the odds are extremely in my favor. You must also define what "success" is, when we're talking about this wager. Hard to put something exact on that definition.

ok, so what is the bar for not being a total complete flop or bust. You are acting like he will never play a down.

 

[JoeyTourettes]

considering you will not be picking at 7 or higher for the next decade.

Wait... what? According to you the bears suck, and a major reason for that is Cutler. And if Jay is still here they will continue to suck... (my understanding of your thought process... please correct me if I'm wrong)

If the above is true (for you) then why do you think they won't be picking at 7 or higher again for another decade? It would make more sense for you, the hate monger, to say something like... "Well if Jay's still here we will have a much better chance of picking in the top 5 for the next two years!" Zing! And if that's the case we can get a better QB then!
If it's Jay Cutler's fault- as is usually the case with AI.... then how can the Bears be winning more games and picking later in the draft WITH Jay Cutler? Hmmmm.
#leader

 

[wood20ks]

Wait... what? According to you the bears suck, and a major reason for that is Cutler. And if Jay is still here they will continue to suck... (my understanding of your thought process... please correct me if I'm wrong)

If the above is true (for you) then why do you think they won't be picking at 7 or higher again for another decade? It would make more sense for you, the hate monger, to say something like... "Well if Jay's still here we will have a much better chance of picking in the top 5 for the next two years!" Zing! And if that's the case we can get a better QB then!
If it's Jay Cutler's fault- as is usually the case with AI.... then how can the Bears be winning more games and picking later in the draft WITH Jay Cutler? Hmmmm.
#leader

They do suck........what part of them that didn`t?

and yes,Cutler is a big contributor. Don`t act like he wasn`t.........

This could be the defensive unit actually keeps us in the game.

All-in-all.......Yeah,Cutler is just average..............We`ve played the "I need more help on offense" game with him

We`ve heard all the lame excuses over the years from him and got whatever it was he wanted with same damn results.......watching the playoff from the sideline.

Cutler is what he is......just average.Get over it.

And with all that being said........I would almost have to think we may go Hundley as a 2nd round pick..............That's where Mayock thinks he should be projected at........js

 

[richig07]

ok, so what is the bar for not being a total complete flop or bust. You are acting like he will never play a down.

Never said that, in the least. He's clearly going to be a top 10 pick, in all probability. Probably top 5.

It's hard to make a bet that has to be tracked for 2-3+ years. lol…

If he starts two full seasons, and isn't ranked near the bottom of the league in all categories while doing so (AKA Blaine Gabbert). And is still in good standing with his organization heading into his third year, with no swirling talks of his benching. He will have exceeded my expectations.

By full season, I do not mean that he comes in 6-7 weeks into the season or later and starts for an out of contention team. I mean, he is the team's starter out of camp and that is never in question for the entire season. If he is injured, that is fine. As long as he returns as the starter once healthy. If he is put on IR, that is fine, but the year is simply voided. Unless he was playing at a high level prior, and looking like a franchise guy. In which case, I'll concede that he would have been the team's guy.

If he has a RGIII, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, etc… type of rookie year/first year as a starter. He will have FAR exceeded my expectations. And I will concede the bet.

Do with that info what you will as far as the wager. It's a complex wager to draw up, but if you can come up with stipulations that I think are at least decent, I am game.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

Never said that, in the least. He's clearly going to be a top 10 pick, in all probability. Probably top 5.

It's hard to make a bet that has to be tracked for 2-3+ years. lol…

If he starts two full seasons, and isn't ranked near the bottom of the league in all categories while doing so (AKA Blaine Gabbert). And is still in good standing with his organization heading into his third year, with no swirling talks of his benching. He will have exceeded my expectations.

By full season, I do not mean that he comes in 6-7 weeks into the season or later and starts for an out of contention team. I mean, he is the team's starter out of camp and that is never in question for the entire season. If he is injured, that is fine. As long as he returns as the starter once healthy. If he is put on IR, that is fine, but the year is simply voided. Unless he was playing at a high level prior, and looking like a franchise guy. In which case, I'll concede that he would have been the team's guy.

If he has a RGIII, Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, etc… type of rookie year/first year as a starter. He will have FAR exceeded my expectations. And I will concede the bet.

Do with that info what you will as far as the wager. It's a complex wager to draw up, but if you can come up with stipulations that I think are at least decent, I am game.

Well, ala Blaine Gabbert, is it even his fault? He plays for one of the worst franchises in football, and by all accounts, MM wont be going to a gem either.

 

[richig07]

Well, ala Blaine Gabbert, is it even his fault? He plays for one of the worst franchises in football, and by all accounts, MM wont be going to a gem either.

What? Gabbert was absolutely god awful and showed zero signs of improvement during his span in Jacksonville. If anything, he got worse. The "oh, it's his team" excuse is an absolute joke with Gabbert.

A franchise QB turns teams around, he doesn't drag them down or get dragged down with them. A franchise QB doesn't put up bottom of the barrel numbers over a three year span. Luck went to a 2-14 team for chrissake. That team was hopeless the year prior.

If Gabbert was worth a shit, he would have showed at least a hint that he was worth a damn in any of his numerous chances. I'm honestly in complete shock there's still someone out there who thinks he's not a complete waste. Even Bortles began to show signs of improvement towards the end of last season in Jacksonville. That team is trending in the right direction in a few areas, with some real young players on the defensive side of the ball and a decent free agency this year.

It's the NFL… it's not like you're going to play for Savannah State in college. Year after year, teams turn around from dismal seasons and make the playoffs, or get close to it. A franchise QB, even in a bad situation finds ways to win some games and make improvements. Especially by your third year, absolutely zero excuse to still be near the bottom of the league in all passing categories.

Also… Philadelphia is a terrible landing spot? New York with Marshall, Decker and a solid crop of defensive guys is a bad landing spot? Not in the least. Those are two places you hear the most rumblings about.

 

[JoeyTourettes]

They do suck........what part of them that didn`t?
DID...they DID suck in 2014... Defense, Coaching, Injuries were top reasons. Jay was 4th at best...also a major reason they were even semi-competitive in some games. 28 TDs!
and yes,Cutler is a big contributor. Don`t act like he wasn`t.........
contributor? how about factor... I'll give you that.
This could be the defensive unit actually keeps us in the game.
In WHAT world were you living when the defensive unit "kept them in" games? Back-to back 50 points!!!! multiple back-to-back touchdown drives without forcing punts all year. blah. Nothing you say can defend that defense.
All-in-all.......Yeah,Cutler is just average..............We`ve played the "I need more help on offense" game with him.
Average? Top 10 in TD's, Comp %, passes completed, passing TD %... If I'm not mistaken there are 32 starting QB's...if you're in the top 10- that'd be better then average.

We`ve heard all the lame excuses over the years from him and got whatever it was he wanted with same damn results.......watching the playoff from the sideline.
This again? Facts are Facts. Any QB would have had trouble with his OLine/WR's early in Bears career. Not to mention his revolving door of OC's. If these are excuses how come you are not blaming the WR's/OL/Coaching too? They were good? Could the WR's get separation last year? Nope. (injuries) Could they run the ball? Nope. Were they consistently down in score because of shitty defense? Yep.

Cutler is what he is......just average.Get over it.
Not Elite... (but few are) but Not average either. Above average... Top 10.

And with all that being said........I would almost have to think we may go Hundley as a 2nd round pick..............That's where Mayock thinks he should be projected at........js
Nah... Not because of Jay...but just don't think there is a sure fire QB in this draft. Don't really want any of them... You find the next Andrew Luck- I'm all for it. Thanks for playing though- and answering a post that had nothing to do with you. Cheers hater. I love the offseason! #leadership

 

[Peter Gozintite]

What? Gabbert was absolutely god awful and showed zero signs of improvement during his span in Jacksonville. If anything, he got worse. The "oh, it's his team" excuse is an absolute joke with Gabbert.

A franchise QB turns teams around, he doesn't drag them down or get dragged down with them. A franchise QB doesn't put up bottom of the barrel numbers over a three year span. Luck went to a 2-14 team for chrissake. That team was hopeless the year prior.

If Gabbert was worth a shit, he would have showed at least a hint that he was worth a damn in any of his numerous chances. I'm honestly in complete shock there's still someone out there who thinks he's not a complete waste. Even Bortles began to show signs of improvement towards the end of last season in Jacksonville. That team is trending in the right direction in a few areas, with some real young players on the defensive side of the ball and a decent free agency this year.

It's the NFL… it's not like you're going to play for Savannah State in college. Year after year, teams turn around from dismal seasons and make the playoffs, or get close to it. A franchise QB, even in a bad situation finds ways to win some games and make improvements. Especially by your third year, absolutely zero excuse to still be near the bottom of the league in all passing categories.

Also… Philadelphia is a terrible landing spot? New York with Marshall, Decker and a solid crop of defensive guys is a bad landing spot? Not in the least. Those are two places you hear the most rumblings about.

I dont care who plays qb for the jags, they will suck

 

[wood20ks]

Joey........You`re right..........DID.

Ok....factor/contributor.......same meaning.

****In WHAT world were you living when the defensive unit "kept them in" games?****
The defense never kept them in games,I was referring to (you asked)we may never be a top 7 in draft position ever again if the defense plays better.We can`t fix Cutler.We`ve tried for how long now? But we can fix the defense to where we may never get a top draft like we have now.

And no way in hell is Jay top 10..............nope don`t even try to convince me or 1000s of others that.........No way.........No how.


And I hate the offseason.........lol
And cutler hater.........damn skippy.he has done nothing to warrant a liking.He pisses me off more than me ever wanting to pat him on the back for his play.
And I`m pretty sure there are more Cutler haters than there are of you cutler kool-aid drinkers.

and ps................sorry for jumping in on a topic that was not warranted for me.

 

[NCChiFan]

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And no way in hell is Jay top 10..............nope don`t even try to convince me or 1000s of others that.........No way.........No how.

No, but he isn't bottom 10 either. Think about Mariotta is, he can't step in and start day 1. He has to learn to be an NFL QB out of a system that didn't prepare him to be an NFL QB. He has to learn to take a snap from under center, he has to learn to pre read a defense, he needs to work a bit on his release. As good as his potential is, he isn't a day 1 starter that say Winston might be. Not only that, the coaches would have to design a specific Offense for him to run while the teach him all the other stuff. Mariotta may end up being a better QB than Winston, but not out of the shoot.

To me, that is a reason not to get rid of Jay even if you draft Mariotta if he's there at 7. My guess is, Mariotta won't be. Both of the ESPN paid draft analysts have him as the 5th best player in the draft. Hard to imagine a QB that highly rated lasting til 7.

 

[anotheridiot]

Wait... what? According to you the bears suck, and a major reason for that is Cutler. And if Jay is still here they will continue to suck... (my understanding of your thought process... please correct me if I'm wrong)

If the above is true (for you) then why do you think they won't be picking at 7 or higher again for another decade? It would make more sense for you, the hate monger, to say something like... "Well if Jay's still here we will have a much better chance of picking in the top 5 for the next two years!" Zing! And if that's the case we can get a better QB then!
If it's Jay Cutler's fault- as is usually the case with AI.... then how can the Bears be winning more games and picking later in the draft WITH Jay Cutler? Hmmmm.
#leader

The defense is going to improve, thats all it takes to get to .500 and cover for Jays three and outs and interceptions right? The only time the other team should score is on a pick 6 because the defense is not out there to stop the returner. .500 teams, a game or two out of the playoffs are picking around 18-20.

Get a friend to borrow their fingers and toes to count back from 32, 12 playoff teams, that means the best of the not made it is picking at 20.

 

[wood20ks]

No, but he isn't bottom 10 either. Think about Mariotta is, he can't step in and start day 1. He has to learn to be an NFL QB out of a system that didn't prepare him to be an NFL QB. He has to learn to take a snap from under center, he has to learn to pre read a defense, he needs to work a bit on his release. As good as his potential is, he isn't a day 1 starter that say Winston might be. Not only that, the coaches would have to design a specific Offense for him to run while the teach him all the other stuff. Mariotta may end up being a better QB than Winston, but not out of the shoot.

To me, that is a reason not to get rid of Jay even if you draft Mariotta if he's there at 7. My guess is, Mariotta won't be. Both of the ESPN paid draft analysts have him as the 5th best player in the draft. Hard to imagine a QB that highly rated lasting til 7.

This I know........and like I said earlier,he is just an average qb......nothing more,nothing less.

In no way does he belong with geno Smith,Texas qb(who ever they have by committee),Sanchez,Dalton,carr,jax qb whoever he is.

But he does not belong up there either with Brady,Manning,Roethlisberger,Ryan,Wilson,Stafford,Luck,Rodgers,Brees,flacco,Romo and Cam.(maybe Rivers)

He belongs with tannehill,Kaep,eli(maybe Rivers)

our greatest bear qb(yeah I know I can`t resist.lmao) is no better than these guys just mentioned.

And also,if the bears have a gut feeling about MM,hey I`m all for it.
But then again,if Hundley falls to us in the 2nd,i would be all for that too.
But if they did draft one of those two guys as our future qb,yeah Jay has to stay and play.
Just keep our future at the other end of the bench.............

 

[anotheridiot]

The same marks they said about this guy from Tennessee who would have been nothing but a 4th round pick if his last name was not Manning are being said about Mariota.