Did A-Rod get snubbed?

[ericd7633]

.284/.390/.513/.902; 149 OPS+

Any at rate its a joke Moustakas is part of the final vote ahead of him.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Especially since Moose is a lock to win the vote with the royal bias this year.

Yost is a slime ball and deserves at least ACL tear going up steps for next pitching change.

 

[msgkings322]

Especially since Moose is a lock to win the vote with the royal bias this year.

Yost is a slime ball and deserves at least ACL tear going up steps for next pitching change.

Well, even worse than an ACL tear is getting outcoached in the WS and losing it because of that. Game 4 specifically.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

.284/.390/.513/.902; 149 OPS+

Any at rate its a joke Moustakas is part of the final vote ahead of him.

A joke? Ok. Both are at 2.2 fWAR.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Especially since Moose is a lock to win the vote with the royal bias this year.

Yost is a slime ball and deserves at least ACL tear going up steps for next pitching change.

Huh? As much as I hate his tactics (well all 30 managers to be honest) he isn't a slimeball.

Dozier isn't even remotely the biggest 'snub' based on stats.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Pretty sure every single player on the final vote has a higher fWAR and bWAR than A-Rod- a man without a position at this point in his career. This is not a 'snub.' This shouldn't even be on people's radars as far as I am concerned.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Huh? As much as I hate his tactics (well all 30 managers to be honest) he isn't a slimeball.

Dozier isn't even remotely the biggest 'snub' based on stats.

Wrong on both counts.

He tactically put Moose there because he knew he would get voted in and it would be an out for not having to choose another Royals.

And the stats heavily favor dozier as a massive snub along with literally every analysts and writer worth mentioning having him in

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Pretty sure every single player on the final vote has a higher fWAR and bWAR than A-Rod- a man without a position at this point in his career. This is not a 'snub.' This shouldn't even be on people's radars as far as I am concerned.

This is also getting a lot of talk.

Make Prince play 1B you know his position?

Kick Tex off the team.

People have a very worthy reason of mentioning A rod and there's a reason many are right now.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Well, even worse than an ACL tear is getting outcoached in the WS and losing it because of that. Game 4 specifically.

As convenient an excuse as that would be to scapegoat, the Giants were just a little bit better that series. Difference was Shields wasn't an ace, isn't an ace, and looked worn down by the time October rolled around. Could get into how that particular lineup was an accident waiting to happen vs lefties, let alone a great lefty.

Wrong on both counts.

He tactically put Moose there because he knew he would get voted in and it would be an out for not having to choose another Royals.

And the stats heavily favor dozier as a massive snub along with literally every analysts and writer worth mentioning having him in

You have been tracking the net gains per week, right? Guys like Moose have been getting tiny numbers compared to guys behind them the past several weeks. I heavily doubt Moose wins out in the final fanvote.

Kluber didn't make it. Kiermaier didn't make it. Mookie Betts didn't make it. Dozier not making it as of now is problematic if one insists on 1st half performance mattering over all. (if true, Altuve shouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell at starting)

Dozier is far from the first, most egregious, or last snub in an ASG; or even this All Star Game.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

As convenient an excuse as that would be to scapegoat, the Giants were just a little bit better that series. Difference was Shields wasn't an ace, isn't an ace, and looked worn down by the time October rolled around. Could get into how that particular lineup was an accident waiting to happen vs lefties, let alone a great lefty.


You have been tracking the net gains per week, right? Guys like Moose have been getting tiny numbers compared to guys behind them the past several weeks. I heavily doubt Moose wins out in the final fanvote.

Kluber didn't make it. Kiermaier didn't make it. Mookie Betts didn't make it. Dozier not making it as of now is problematic if one insists on 1st half performance mattering over all. (if true, Altuve shouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell at starting)

Dozier is far from the first, most egregious, or last snub in an ASG; or even this All Star Game.

How the hell did Kluber or Kiermeier or Betts deserve to make it? Lol.

They were probably not on a single persons list.

Like seriously?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

This is also getting a lot of talk.

Make Prince play 1B you know his position?

Kick Tex off the team.

People have a very worthy reason of mentioning A rod and there's a reason many are right now.

The same position he is laughably bad at every time he plays it? The same position that put him towards the very bottom of 1B's with Detroit? Not following.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

The same position he is laughably bad at every time he plays it? The same position that put him towards the very bottom of 1B's with Detroit? Not following.

Yes the one he's played his whole career at before Moreland a better fielder with a career year at the bat came along to help it out.

It seems you are in the minority on following a lot here....

 

[Fountain City Blues]

How the hell did Kluber or Kiermeier or Betts deserve to make it? Lol.

They were probably not on a single persons list.

Like seriously?

All of them had an equal to or higher fWAR than Dozier. I picked them on purpose, ya know. The hyperbole surrounding Dozier is strong.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Yes the one he's played his whole career at before Moreland a better fielder with a career year at the bat came along to help it out.

It seems you are in the minority on following a lot here....

I am in the minority in a lot of things. Unfortunately for you, this doesn't mean I am wrong, either.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

All of them had an equal to or higher fWAR than Dozier. I picked them on purpose, ya know. The hyperbole surrounding Dozier is strong.

Lol yeah...cuz fwar is the stat that goes into determining All Stars.

Does Kiermeier even have 20 RBI yet? He might now. Havnet checked in about two weeks.

The league leader in runs, top 5 in EB hits and leading his position in homers, RBI, EXB hits and runs.

I mean I guess if dozier wasnt also a great defender...maybe??? But are you fucking serious? Kevin goddamn Kiermeier was your go to?

 

[mr.hockey4242]

I am in the minority in a lot of things. Unfortunately for you, this doesn't mean I am wrong, either.

Unfortunately for you, you are very wrong. Especially when Neddy Boy is really the only one on your side.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Lol yeah...cuz fwar is the stat that goes into determining All Stars.

Does Kiermeier even have 20 RBI yet? He might now. Havnet checked in about two weeks.

The league leader in runs, top 5 in EB hits and leading his position in homers, RBI, EXB hits and runs.

I mean I guess if dozier wasnt also a great defender...maybe??? But are you fucking serious? Kevin goddamn Kiermeier was your go to?

You mistake my citation of fWAR as rigid dogmatism when in reality it's just poking a hole into, ironically, your very rigid views. Especially Dozier. Are you not the same poster who tried to post a comparison of Kipnis and Dozier? Or am I lacking in recollection? As I do recall though, I have long since given up on the ASG getting anything right, hence why I wanted to see the farce perpetuated to force something to happen, but oh well. I'll certainly play along up to a point (hence my participation in these threads; and my role as devil's advocate) but when push comes to shove, I really don't care who plays if it is status quo. The home team in game 7 is 1 game above .500 in recent memory.

You should know by now from my time on the ALC thread that RBI have minimal utility for me. I'll politely agree to disagree here.

So, I don't see any cheating here. Someone gets 'snubbed,' this is how the ASG works, good and mostly bad. If Dozier doesn't make it, too bad. Many great players do in fact miss out.

Yeah, I kind of am hyping K-money. Deal with it. I'll play devil's advocate as I please.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Unfortunately for you, you are very wrong. Especially when Neddy Boy is really the only one on your side.

As to what? We wouldn't likely agree upon much of anything. Especially when it comes to voting most likely.

p.s. this got derailed fairly quickly.

 

[mr.hockey4242]

You mistake my citation of fWAR as rigid dogmatism when in reality it's just poking a hole into, ironically, your very rigid views. Especially Dozier. Are you not the same poster who tried to post a comparison of Kipnis and Dozier? Or am I lacking in recollection? As I do recall though, I have long since given up on the ASG getting anything right, hence why I wanted to see the farce perpetuated to force something to happen, but oh well. I'll certainly play along up to a point (hence my participation in these threads; and my role as devil's advocate) but when push comes to shove, I really don't care who plays if it is status quo. The home team in game 7 is 1 game above .500 in recent memory.

You should know by now from my time on the ALC thread that RBI have minimal utility for me. I'll politely agree to disagree here.

So, I don't see any cheating here. Someone gets 'snubbed,' this is how the ASG works, good and mostly bad. If Dozier doesn't make it, too bad. Many great players do in fact miss out.

Yeah, I kind of am hyping K-money. Deal with it. I'll play devil's advocate as I please.

O boy please hold with me for this one.

1. Rigid views? Stating a guy literally everyone had in the game should be in the game?

2. A comparison between Dozier and Kipnis? No it was a poll for who should start the All Star game which included Infante and Altuve...basically to show that the two best options had no shot. And I clearly stated "my homer" pick would be Dozier. You are really sounding like Doug now...selectively reading it appears to patch a very shoddy argument.

3. Dozier vs Kipnis is a better argument than Dozier vs Kiermeir lol. Dozier does everything better than Kipnis except hit for average and thus OBP(though they walk at a very similar rate). Defense they are both very, very good. Really pick and choose.

4. Now we got Kiermeir. The two things Kipnis beats Dozier in? Average and OBP...Kiemeier as a mainly lead off guy has a STUNNING .289 OBP with his .255 average of no power. Yeah, so basically a slightly better Omar infante across the board and you compare him to Dozier lol.

5. RBI can be overrated no doubt and Dozier actually is still a very blah "producers"(In clutch spots like RISP) but 42-16? That is ASTRONOMICAL. You win games by scoring more than the other team. Dozier has a +25 advantage in both runs scored and RBI.

6. I'm aware Kiermeir rates out as a great defender....but I ain't clamoring for Aaron HIcks anytime soon.

At this point you've gotten it to me just being flat out rattled you brought up Kevin Keirmeier as a talking point with Dozier...and laughed off Dozier/Kipnis.

Just not smart on any level.

 

[broncosmitty]

I love that Doziers not an All Star.

Couldn't care less who wins the Final Spot vote.

Just so long as I get to keep watching hockey cry.