Detroit Tigers Ongoing 2016 Thread

[Howie115]

My biggest concern with Fister is health. After he left Detroit he seemed to be on the DL quite often.

Really, if it weren't for Fister's difficulties staying healthy, GM's would have been ringing his agent's phone off the hook. He has a 3.42 career ERA and the lowest walk rate (1.8) among all active starters. But he's made 30+ starts only once in the last four seasons, and that is the big sticking point.

 

[MiamiVice]

I am surprised Mat Latos hasn't signed yet. The guy was one of the better pitchers available talent wise but was dealing with an injured knee last year and put up bad numbers. His numbers pre 2015 were great. There are rumblings he is a piece of shit in the club house.. but he is still young... I have been saying since before the season was over last year the Tigers should sign him. Before 2015 he was talked about as a top of the rotation piece.

 

[MiamiVice]

I have a feeling that Latos ends up in either pit or stl... and will end up having a monster season.

 

[burfboy]

Thanks vice I was stuck in 2015 pretty stupid

 

[Iffster]

Thanks vice I was stuck in 2015 pretty stupid

Your question about Fister.....

From Fangraphs....

Here’s the fact of the matter: as a starting pitcher, between 2014 – 2015, Fister lost 1.9 miles per hour off his fastball. He’d already lost about a mile from the year before, and he’d already lost another mile from his career peak. But, we can focus mostly on the most recent drop, because Fister was effective two years back. An easy explanation is that, last year, Fister struggled with forearm discomfort, that sent him to the disabled list. Injuries generally help explain these velocity drops, but what’s curious is that Fister didn’t actually regain any strength upon his return. Previous to hitting the DL, Fister’s fastball averaged 86. After coming off the DL, as a starter, Fister’s fastball averaged 86. It played up a tiny bit when he moved to relief, but that’s what almost always happens. The fastball left him, and at least last year, it didn’t come back.


Fister has never really been about his velocity, first and foremost, but it’s not like that makes it irrelevant. You always have to think about the margin of error, and last year was the first time Fister didn’t finish with a better-than-average rate of hard contact allowed. The five years before, his hard-contact rate topped out at the 88th percentile, and it bottomed out at the 60th. Last year he was easier to hit hard, and that doesn’t blend well with a dwindling strikeout rate. It’s simple to see why Fister couldn’t land even an eight-figure guarantee, despite a market that’s gone crazy for pitchers.

Astros Take the Doug Fister Chance | FanGraphs Baseball

 

[Howie115]

Injuries generally help explain these velocity drops, but what’s curious is that Fister didn’t actually regain any strength upon his return. Previous to hitting the DL, Fister’s fastball averaged 86. After coming off the DL, as a starter, Fister’s fastball averaged 86. It played up a tiny bit when he moved to relief, but that’s what almost always happens. The fastball left him, and at least last year, it didn’t come back.

I would say, just because you come off the DL, it doesn't mean you are fully healthy or as strong as before you got hurt. MLB history is littered with examples. The question is, does his velocity EVER tick back up? We can only wait and see.

 

[MiamiVice]

I guess iffy is going to continue to walk away from his statements about velocity on breaking balls and iglesias's obp... huh.. wonder why.

 

[Iffster]

MLB.com and Baseball Prospectus have both come out with their Top 100 Prospects. As expected the only Tiger prospect on either list is Michael Fulmer who is #53 and #87 respectively. Former Tiger pitching prospect (now with the Phillies) Jake Thompson is ranked in the top half of both lists.

Former Detroit farmhand (and short-order cook) Hernan Perez - who one professional scout ranked as a Can't Miss Prospect - was listed #33 on the Milwaukee Brewers Prospect list.

 

[MiamiVice]

MLB.com and Baseball Prospectus have both come out with their Top 100 Prospects. As expected the only Tiger prospect on either list is Michael Fulmer who is #53 and #87 respectively. Former Tiger pitching prospect (now with the Phillies) Jake Thompson is ranked in the top half of both lists.

Former Detroit farmhand (and short-order cook) Hernan Perez - who one professional scout ranked as a Can't Miss Prospect - was listed #33 on the Milwaukee Brewers Prospect list.

Hey iffy... lets talk breaking ball velocity...

 

[MiamiVice]

Do you even know what a fucking breaking ball is iffy?

 

[MiamiVice]

It sucks we gave up so much to get Soria... That trade is going to be so lopsided in Texas's favor its not even funny... granted they turned and flipped both prospects again... but they got quality starting pitching for them and not a reliever. Knebel is going to be a very solid reliever in his own right. His numbers were great last year for the Brewers. Looking back at that trade it makes me sick. You should never give up legit starting pitching talent for a reliever. NEVER.

The Rangers got Cole Fucking Hamels for Jake Thompson.

Jake Thompson is going to end up a solid #2/#3 starter with 4 above average pitches... and probably will be ready this year... Just imagine if the Tigers had him AND Fulmer in their system... People might not be ranking their farm so shitty.

 

[MiamiVice]

I love your dick beating sessions about Hernan Perez. At no point did I say he was a top prospect. I said he has talent... and at the age of 24... he most certainly still does. His numbers last year for the Brewers were solid. He can play every position in the infield above average defensively. I really don't get your focus on the guy.... unless you are attempting to discredit me.. which is funny when you don't even understand what BABIP is or what makes a good breaking pitch.

 

[MiamiVice]

I take MLB's Top 100 prospect list with a grain of salt when joey Gallo is still a top 10 prospect.. when he should be lucky to be in the top 100... and Raul Mondesi is #37 when his k/bb rate is rivaling Steven Moya's and his average the last 2 years is around .225... his entire bio on the site is nothing but making excuses for the fact he hasn't hit worth a shit at any level.. yet he still is rated as having a 50 hit tool... Mondesi's stats make Dixon Machado's stats look like he is going to be the next Cal Ripken.

 

[MiamiVice]

I don't understand some of the internet scouting sites... they seem to fall in love with guys that are clearly flawed and just stick with them regardless of their stats. Mondesi can't hit or get on base... Gallo is Steven Moya- like at the plate, but can't actually play defense as well as Moya... Buxton came up and dropped a steamy turd in the 46 games he played in the mlb.. yet he is still #2 overall... Mark Appel hasn't pitched well at any level and is still a top 100 prospect at the age of 24... I would love to see how they come up with the actual rankings.. if there is a math formula or something or if they just pick them.. because they make no sense. Mark Appel has a era around 5 in his 3 years in the minors... He walks to many batters... and his whip's are gross.... what part of that screams top 100 prospect?

 

[MiamiVice]

Seriously... Mark Appel and Buck Farmer are on the same playing field... Matt Boyd's career numbers in the minors blow the doors off Mark Appels. Fuck... MLB dropped Tyler Kolek from their top 100 after having him #52 last year... and his numbers were on par with Appels... and he is 4 years younger. It really makes no sense. I am sorry but walks aside... Tyler Kolek is a better pitching prospect than Mark Appel at this point and anyone that thinks differently is a retard... the kid throws 100 mph on the regular as a starter and is only 20.

 

[Iffster]

Wow!!!! Seven straight posts. What they said back in the 60s, still holds true today, Vice....."Speed Kills!"

 

[MiamiVice]

Wow!!!! Seven straight posts. What they said back in the 60s, still holds true today, Vice....."Speed Kills!"

Still no response to your idiotic posts about breaking ball velocity huh... or Iglesias's obp... lol iffy... post something else stupid so I can piss all over that too.

 

[Iffster]

Response.......

 

[MiamiVice]

Response.......

Yup... About what I would expect from a clown that posts shit like Iglesias has weak OBP.

 

[MiamiVice]

All I want to know is why Iffy posts stuff then runs from what he said the second its proven incorrect... That is troll tactic 101... I would know.. I did it to royals fans for close to a decade. I honestly don't even think he knows what a breaking ball is... I think he DOES know that a .347 OBP is solid.. yet he wanted to post something trollish in reference to Iglesias... so he says the guy has weak OBP.

If you actually were a tigers fan and not just some faggot troll that comes here to post dumb shit I would be fine with you saying the tigers should trade iglesias.. i wouldn't agree.. but i most certainly could see why it would be done. In fact.. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens in the next 2 years if Machado keeps developing or Jacoby Jones figures out how to lay off pitches out of the zone... Its not going to happen as long as he is only making 2.1 mil.

That being said... you never were a tigers fan and you never actually have the intentions of having a legit conversation about the tigers... you just post quick jabs hoping to get a reaction.. then bounce... only to return and post something else along the lines of the last garbage.

You want to discuss actual legit topics... instead of your stick and move trolling... i am game. until then.. you are going to get no respect from me.