Denver's next four games?

[Breaker99]

Defense wins Championships.


(that was a nod to KC)

 

[Broncos6482]

don't worry, punchline. they don't believe in YOU, either...

i put down 2-2. in all honesty the guys who are selling the Chargers and Chiefs short just might be in for a bit of a suprise...

Beating the Chiefs will be tough, but I don't buy the Chargers. Any team that loses to the Raiders isn't about to scare me.

 

[Morpheus]

talib will be back after the bye. hes huge piece pats can slap him on aj green, jimmy graham, julio jones and let dennard feast on #2 wrs instead of having to play #1 wrs. under this situation the pats are very hard to pass on. dont look at what the pats did over the last 4 games without talib, look at what they did with him on the field. thats what the defense really is.

Have you actually seen Denver's receiving options?

You key on 1 guy, Manning has 3 other weapons to choose form. TE, Slot, RB pick your poison. Someone is open every single play.

 

[Morpheus]

Defense wins Championships.


(that was a nod to KC)

That may have been true before all the rule changes that protect the WR and the QB, but in the new NFL, a solid passing game with the threat of a good ground game is just as important, if not more so.

KC does not have the offensive firepower on offense to win a championship.

 

[Morpheus]

Back the to topic of the thread.

If the Broncos defense plays like it did against Washington, they go 4-0.

Only team that can beat the Broncos is the Broncos, i.e. turnovers, injuries.

We saw what happened with the defense against the Redskins when Woodyard is back in at MLB and Von Miller is back up to live game speed after his suspension.

As long as Denver protects the football, they win all 4 games.

I don't see SD or KC being able to keep up offensively in scoring and NE has issues on defense.

 

[wood20ks]

LOL That is certainly not what I meant to express! Rather, Denver's schedule, like KC's, is tougher over the rest of the season than it has been so far, particularly these next four games. I do, however, like your four wins prediction. It will be tough to do that, but I definitely think that the Broncos are capable of that.

After rereading your original post,I misunderstood what you were saying.......My apologies.

 

[wood20ks]

don't worry, punchline. they don't believe in YOU, either...

i put down 2-2. in all honesty the guys who are selling the Chargers and Chiefs short just might be in for a bit of a suprise...

I watch KC every week.
I have the NFL tix and two tvs.Watch the Bears on one and my fantasy team on the other.
And as far as I can tell,your offense is built around JC.
You hae no qb or te and your wrs are horrible.
Bowe,your best wr is just average.
Although I do like mccluster.

Your defense is what is keeping you afloat.

 

[Breaker99]

Back the to topic of the thread.

If the Broncos defense plays like it did against Washington, they go 4-0.

Only team that can beat the Broncos is the Broncos, i.e. turnovers, injuries.

We saw what happened with the defense against the Redskins when Woodyard is back in at MLB and Von Miller is back up to live game speed after his suspension.

As long as Denver protects the football, they win all 4 games.

I don't see SD or KC being able to keep up offensively in scoring and NE has issues on defense.

The redskins are your indicator? A 2-5 team?


Mkay.

That may have been true before all the rule changes that protect the WR and the QB, but in the new NFL, a solid passing game with the threat of a good ground game is just as important, if not more so.

KC does not have the offensive firepower on offense to win a championship.

I am just not sure Denver has a defense capable of winning a championship. Good defenses still work. As indicated by KC's flawless record.

 

[TDs3nOut]

I am just not sure Denver has a defense capable of winning a championship.

Of course you're not sure about that; no one is. If you reread the post that you quoted, then I think you will find that it referred to the fact that Denver's defense had been missing key players like Wesley Woodyard, who is the leader of our defense, and Von Miller, who was among the best defensive players in the league last year. Will having those guys back improve the defense enough that it can complement the league's best offense sufficiently to win a championship? Again, no one knows. But these next four games figure to shed some light on the answer to that question.

 

[JDM]

That may have been true before all the rule changes that protect the WR and the QB, but in the new NFL, a solid passing game with the threat of a good ground game is just as important, if not more so.

KC does not have the offensive firepower on offense to win a championship.

Neither Super Bowl team last year was there for their offense.

 

[cdumler7]

The redskins are your indicator? A 2-5 team?


Mkay.




I am just not sure Denver has a defense capable of winning a championship. Good defenses still work. As indicated by KC's flawless record.

Couple of things...When he was using the Redskins as an indicator he was only referring to their offense against our defense. Before the Bronco/Redskins game the Redskins had the 4th overall offense and 10th scoring offense in the NFL. The Broncos defense held them to their lowest total in both for the year if I remember right. So that can be an indicator that the Bronco defense now that it is getting some key players back are back on track with being a top 5 defense like they were last year. This past game the Broncos pressured, hit, or sacked RGIII on 46% of his drop backs which is a season high for the Broncos and season high allowed by the Redskins. Is it a coincidence that the Broncos all of a sudden can get after the quarterback when Von Miller and Wesley Woodyard return? Throw in the Broncos blitzed I think only half as much than they did for the first 7 games of the season. So they are getting more pressure with less rushers.

Now whether they are a capable defense come playoff time we shall see. When Peyton won his one Championship he was playing with a defense that ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league but come playoff time were a very good group that made some key timely plays to help out the offense. So again I guess we shall see how they finish out the season. My guess is now that key players are starting to get healthy (still waiting on Champ Bailey to get healthy) the Bronco defense will start playing better as the progresses.

 

[cdumler7]

Neither Super Bowl team last year was there for their offense.

Both teams last year finished in the top half of teams for total offense last year. They also finished top 11 in scoring for the year so although they didn't have the best offenses in the NFL they weren't slackers either.

 

[JDM]

Irrelevant when he was disputing "defense wins championships". That's why both were there.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Neither Super Bowl team last year was there for their offense.

That is true. Still, in its four playoff games last year Baltimore averaged about 34 points per game and gave up about 22. SF, in three playoff games, averaged around 35 points per game, while giving up around 30. To say that either team was in the SB solely because of its offense or its defense is wrong. And I think it's generally wrong to say that either offense or defense wins championships. Playing the best football in the playoffs is what wins championships, regardless of which side of the ball is stronger.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Irrelevant when he was disputing "defense wins championships". That's why both were there.

So you think that is a general recipe for winning the SB? A team with a stronger offense than defense cannot win a SB? I don't think that's right.

 

[Broncos6482]

That is true. Still, in its four playoff games last year Baltimore averaged about 34 points per game and gave up about 22. SF, in three playoff games, averaged around 35 points per game, while giving up around 30. To say that either team was in the SB solely because of its offense or its defense is wrong. And I think it's generally wrong to say that either offense or defense wins championships. Playing the best football in the playoffs is what wins championships, regardless of which side of the ball is stronger.

Giving up 22 points a game isn't bad, but there should be no mistaking why Baltimore won the Super Bowl last year, and it wasn't because they were playing great defense. They won the Super Bowl because Joe Flacco played qb at a ridiculous level during their playoff run, not because they were playing particularly outstanding defense.

 

[JDM]

So you think that is a general recipe for winning the SB? A team with a stronger offense than defense cannot win a SB? I don't think that's right.

It's not that they can't. It's that they're less likely to.

 

[cdumler7]

It's not that they can't. It's that they're less likely to.

I think if the NFL has shown us anything it is that Championships can be won in multiple ways. Last year Baltimore was ranked 17th on defense. Nothing special but not horrible either. The year before that the Giants were ranked 27th in total defense. The year before that Green Bay was ranked 5th. The year before that New Orleans was ranked 25th. The year before that Pitt was ranked 1st. The year before that the Giants were ranked 7th. The year before that Indy was ranked 21st. So again teams have found different ways to win Championships throughout the years. Sometimes it has been through a mediocre part of a team rising up come playoff time. Just look at last year in the Baltimore defense being very timely in big plays while the offense played pretty flawless with a quarterback that for most of the year was considered pretty mediocre but then went on one of the better runs in playoff history by a quarterback. There is some luck involved in all of it as well with some bounces going one team's way compared to another in the playoffs.

 

[Broncos6482]

I think if the NFL has shown us anything it is that Championships can be won in multiple ways. Last year Baltimore was ranked 17th on defense. Nothing special but not horrible either. The year before that the Giants were ranked 27th in total defense. The year before that Green Bay was ranked 5th. The year before that New Orleans was ranked 25th. The year before that Pitt was ranked 1st. The year before that the Giants were ranked 7th. The year before that Indy was ranked 21st. So again teams have found different ways to win Championships throughout the years. Sometimes it has been through a mediocre part of a team rising up come playoff time. Just look at last year in the Baltimore defense being very timely in big plays while the offense played pretty flawless with a quarterback that for most of the year was considered pretty mediocre but then went on one of the better runs in playoff history by a quarterback. There is some luck involved in all of it as well with some bounces going one team's way compared to another in the playoffs.

You already mentioned Baltimore last year, another really good example of that is Indy. Their defense was pretty terrible during the season, and then once the playoffs started they played really well (with the only exception being the AFC Championship game against the Patriots) and were a big reason they won the Super Bowl.

I think anyone discounting the Chiefs as Super Bowl contenders is mistaken. Any team that makes the playoffs (and the Chiefs are definitely making the playoffs) can get hot, get some bounces, and run to the Super Bowl. Look no further than the last two Super Bowl champs for evidence of that, I doubt anyone thought the Giants or Ravens had much of a shot at winning the Super Bowl when the playoffs started.

 

[cdumler7]

You already mentioned Baltimore last year, another really good example of that is Indy. Their defense was pretty terrible during the season, and then once the playoffs started they played really well (with the only exception being the AFC Championship game against the Patriots) and were a big reason they won the Super Bowl.

I think anyone discounting the Chiefs as Super Bowl contenders is mistaken. Any team that makes the playoffs (and the Chiefs are definitely making the playoffs) can get hot, get some bounces, and run to the Super Bowl. Look no further than the last two Super Bowl champs for evidence of that, I doubt anyone thought the Giants or Ravens had much of a shot at winning the Super Bowl when the playoffs started.

Oh I agree. The Chiefs have a very solid team that honestly could do well come playoff time. They have a run game to keep games short and close. They have a defense that is great at forcing turnovers. They have the guys to bring pressure to rattle even the best quarterbacks in the league. They have a good head coach (what were you thinking Philly?). They have a solid special teams. They have a quarterback that doesn't turn the ball over very often. All of those things could be huge come playoff time.

Honestly the team that usually finishes as the best team in the NFL rarely has won the Superbowl recently. I think the last 1 seed to win the Superbowl was New Orleans if I remember right. With the margin between the top team in the NFL and even the bottom ten teams being very small come playoff time obviously that gap is even smaller so it doesn't surprise me anymore that a 4-6 seed has just about as good of a chance of winning as that of a 1 seed. This is exactly why I am not worried say KC does win the AFC West. Right now it is all about just getting to the playoffs then anything can happen.