DeMarcus Lawrence is a Seahawk

[dkmightyhammer]

I didn't see a thread on this yet. 3 year deal worth $42M, $18M guaranteed. He's 32 years old, and only played 4 games last year due to an injured foot. Are we liking this deal, or no?

Lawrence joins Seahawks after long run in Dallas

DeMarcus Lawrence has agreed to a three-year deal worth a maximum of $42 million, including $18 million guaranteed, with the Seahawks.

www.espn.com

 

[HaroldSeattle]

We discussed him in the 2025 season thread.

2025 season thread

Meh... He may not even make the team... Honestly, we need the depth at WR, but I don't think $5.5 million is the number I'd give him. He played 14 games (started 8) last year and we more than doubled his salary from last year for less than 30 yards per game. and a 43% completion percentage...

sportshoop.la

Comes down to what does he has left in the tank, can the old guy stay healthy, how much has the injury effected him. Sort of pricey considering the risk, but a big name and if can still play at a high level, stay healthy, would be a plus.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I don't mind the signing. If it's only $18M guaranteed that prob. means you can ditch him next year and take a $12M dead cap if he doesn't return to form. He had a foot injury but assuming if he signed with us it's been rested and he's ready to play.

Lawrence is an elite EDGE run defender and actually started out decently until he got injured. I don't expect Lawrence to be getting more than 40-50 snaps per, so he'll be rotational with Mafe/Hall/Nwosu which is perfectly fine and 100% needed. On run downs Lawrence will be critical and along with Ernest Jones will make Seattle very difficult to run against which is what Mac wants to do. It negates us having to go for an early EDGE in the draft for at least this year, which is important because we need to address safety (Macs 3 safety system), OG/OT/possibly Center, and WR in the earlier rounds.

He's 33, so it's hardly a long term solution.. but Lawrence is VASTLY better in the short term (next year or two) than Dre'Mont Jones which was a colossal failure of a signing.

I know we missed out on Fries, but frankly this free agent class wasn't really that great in terms of offensive lineman. The draft definitely stacks up better for IOL and right tackle, so perhaps that's where we're going.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

And to add, there's definitely risk with this move... it does help Durde coached him in Dallas (our DC) so Lawrence is coming into a familiar scheme and has a familiar face/coach - might have been Durde that really pushed for Lawrence. God knows outside of Parsons that Dallas D is trash tier.

Anyway, I'd have to see the full contract details but if it's $18M and UP TO $42M than I can't be too negative about it. It's a bit of a patch job for now, but we have other big needs to address in this draft, so crossing one off the list for this year is good.

Initial reaction. C grade. If you get 2023 Lawrence (again 2024 was a foot injury) than it's an A+ signing, easily. But, there's a chance you get a completely different player all together given that was 2 years ago, in which case it could be an F. But again, depends on the contract.. if he busts this year and you can let him walk for let's say $12M, meh.. whatever.

Dre'mont Jones was a bust. IF Nwosu can actually see the field again... keeping Mafe/Hall rotated will be critical as I believe they were way overused (just due to necessity with Nwosu out again) last year which resulted in some production decline as the season went on. I hope he does work out in the short term because if he's even 80% of what he was in 2023, Seattle will be difficult to run against which will set us up in a lot of longer 3rd downs on D where Hall and Macs scheme will allow us to thrive.

End of day we have cap to spend... gotta spend it to remain competitive, and this is not sinking us in the future. We're taking nearly $70M of dead cap this year to clean things up, and are not handing out overbloated long term contracts at the moment...


Jones signed a 1 year $10M deal with the Titans btw... I'll take Lawrence (even at 33) any day over Jones for 2025. That guy was beyond useless in run defense and his pass rush isn't any better than what Lawrence did.

 

[UK Cowboy]

DLaw is Warrior, great run defender and a good pass rush. If he's healthy yall will be glad to have him

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

DLaw is Warrior, great run defender and a good pass rush. If he's healthy yall will be glad to have him

I mean if you get 2023 Lawrence... it's a steal. If you don't... well, hopefully you get 80% of what he was and you can rotate him with Mafe/Hall/Nwosu to keep him fresh at his age. If you even get 80% Lawrence (let's say 100% if you limit his snaps to 40 or so), Seattle will be very difficult to run the ball against with Jones coming back.

Durde is also with Seattle now, so Lawrence will have a familiar face in the coaching staff. And Mafe/Hall (especially Hall) could use some mentoring at EDGE.

Whatever, it's better than Dre'mont Jones... what a colossal failure that signing was. And we're still paying more dead cap for him this year than if we flat out cut Lawrence (haven't seen the contract, but $18M guaranteed) after 2025 lol.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I mean if you get 2023 Lawrence... it's a steal. If you don't... well, hopefully you get 80% of what he was and you can rotate him with Mafe/Hall/Nwosu to keep him fresh at his age. If you even get 80% Lawrence (let's say 100% if you limit his snaps to 40 or so), Seattle will be very difficult to run the ball against with Jones coming back.

Durde is also with Seattle now, so Lawrence will have a familiar face in the coaching staff. And Mafe/Hall (especially Hall) could use some mentoring at EDGE.

Whatever, it's better than Dre'mont Jones... what a colossal failure that signing was. And we're still paying more dead cap for him this year than if we flat out cut Lawrence (haven't seen the contract, but $18M guaranteed) after 2025 lol.

Haha
Man, DLaw will play hurt. When he is healthy he is still a monster though. You aren't running on him. Strong as a bull

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Haha
Man, DLaw will play hurt. When he is healthy he is still a monster though. You aren't running on him. Strong as a bull

Yah. I can't fault Seattle for it. It's risky - 33 years old.. but I heard Seattle fans (myself included) complaining about fixing our run D for YEARS. Dre'Mont Jones didn't do F all to help that... Lawrence helps it TREMENDOUSLY. Again, in theory Seattle should be very hard to run against next year. That was what Mac did in Balti and getting stuck in 3rd and 6+ situation against his scheming is what made him as a defensive playcaller dangerous.

Now, UK Cowboy, get some sleep and then tell Jerry Jones to trade us Parsons for a 4th rounder. Thanks!

 

[UK Cowboy]

Yah. I can't fault Seattle for it. It's risky - 33 years old.. but I heard Seattle fans (myself included) complaining about fixing our run D for YEARS. Dre'Mont Jones didn't do F all to help that... Lawrence helps it TREMENDOUSLY. Again, in theory Seattle should be very hard to run against next year. That was what Mac did in Balti and getting stuck in 3rd and 6+ situation against his scheming is what made him as a defensive playcaller dangerous.

Now, UK Cowboy, get some sleep and then tell Jerry Jones to trade us Parsons for a 4th rounder. Thanks!

Hell he might lol

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Hell he might lol

Parsons would prob. fetch like 3 1st rounders at the moment, lol. I bet the Cowboys let Lawrence walk because Parsons is gonna get some $35-40M per contract.. they gotta keep some cap for him - even if rollover.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Parsons would prob. fetch like 3 1st rounders at the moment, lol. I bet the Cowboys let Lawrence walk because Parsons is gonna get some $35-40M per contract.. they gotta keep some cap for him - even if rollover.

Yeah, but you know, his cap hit will just go down after they resign him, at least this year. I think the $60M for Dak has them cutting any salary they can live without. We have Micah, Sam Williams coming back from injury and Kneeland who played well as a rookie at DE. Strictly a price deal. DLaw can still play. He's been hurt, he is definitely not washed

 

[Screamin12th]

Im fine with DLaw because of his run stopping ability. He might fall back a little in pass rush but he is replacing Dre'Mont Jones who was just invisible for someone that was on the field over 54% of the time. He was on the field more than Mafe, Knight and Murphy!

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Im fine with DLaw because of his run stopping ability. He might fall back a little in pass rush but he is replacing Dre'Mont Jones who was just invisible for someone that was on the field over 54% of the time. He was on the field more than Mafe, Knight and Murphy!

Jones was OKAY at pass rush and horrible at run defense. I was never high on the contract we gave him to begin with.

DLaw brings basically the best edge rusher run defense in the league with him if he can stay healthy and a pass rush that's as good as Jones, anyway. For basically the same price. The other thing that Lawrence brings which Jones didn't even sniff doing, is leadership and energy... Lawrence will do a lot to help the locker room and get guys like Mafe/Hall/Knight and Jones some attitude and killer instinct.

Tell ya one thing, Woolen isn't acting like a fool on plays this year without having to answer to Reed/Law/Big Cat. Nobody is. Give me one guy that's going to back talk those 3? Even better D Law has $10M of incentives (25% of his contract, that's a LOT)... he'll be sounding off if guys aren't pulling their weight.

And you NEED players like that. Carroll certainly had an energy but it was the players in the early Carroll years (Sherman, Thomas, Chancellor, Wright Bennett) that were keeping their guys in check (Bobby was a passive 'just do my job' guy). You need PLAYERS like that. Coaches can only do so much.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

It's a solid signing if he can stay healthy. Help slows the run and can get pressure on the QB.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

It's a solid signing if he can stay healthy. Help slows the run and can get pressure on the QB.

It helps we got to medically examine him (unlike Fries who the Vikings were like, "Fuck it, it'll be fine!" lol - I mean I get it, you have cheapo McCarthy, but wtf? Fries also doesn't fit our new ZBS whatsoever) and that he has almost 25% of his value in incentives...

I also just like D Law as a locker room presence. This D outside of Reed/Williams is still young. And Love is not a leader... they need all the leadership and mentors they can get. Knight/Mafe/Hall/Jones? Those guys aren't even a collective 15 years of experience and they're all starters, lol. And I do like Witherspoon and his attitude, but he's not elite yet.. he's not going to lecture a bunch of front 7 guys. Lawrence said in an interview basically "I'm not winning a Super Bowl there" which makes me think he believes in what Seattle and Mac are trying to do. You GOTTA have leaders like that. This is where someone like Kupp COULD be a thing. We need that leadership on offense as well.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Excellent addition and he absolutely roasted Micah....LOL.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

It helps we got to medically examine him (unlike Fries who the Vikings were like, "Fuck it, it'll be fine!" lol - I mean I get it, you have cheapo McCarthy, but wtf? Fries also doesn't fit our new ZBS whatsoever) and that he has almost 25% of his value in incentives...

I also just like D Law as a locker room presence. This D outside of Reed/Williams is still young. And Love is not a leader... they need all the leadership and mentors they can get. Knight/Mafe/Hall/Jones? Those guys aren't even a collective 15 years of experience and they're all starters, lol. And I do like Witherspoon and his attitude, but he's not elite yet.. he's not going to lecture a bunch of front 7 guys. Lawrence said in an interview basically "I'm not winning a Super Bowl there" which makes me think he believes in what Seattle and Mac are trying to do. You GOTTA have leaders like that. This is where someone like Kupp COULD be a thing. We need that leadership on offense as well.

There ya go. Leaders on both sides of the ball.

 

[seattlefan75]

I like the signing I am all for this team having veteran leadership so guys like Lawrence and Kupp would be good on both sides of the ball. Nobody in our division is rebuilding we need to add on top of what we already have on roster.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Excellent addition and he absolutely roasted Micah....LOL.

lol yep:

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I like the signing I am all for this team having veteran leadership so guys like Lawrence and Kupp would be good on both sides of the ball. Nobody in our division is rebuilding we need to add on top of what we already have on roster.

I mean the one big thing I like about Kupp, he is a locker room personality (in a GOOD way) and a hard worker/competitive on the field.

It seems ridiculous to have him blocking a lot at his size, but if you asked him to go block an EDGE, he'd do it lol. Where Byron Murphy was complaining about nose tackle (his girlfriend actually was, but that means he is) all the time... well Kupp will tell him, "Dude just do your fuckin' job. I'm 210 lbs blocking a 250 lb edge rusher. STFU and play."

Geno/DK were mopey and got too frustrated. I don't know how great their leadership skills were. DK said he wanted to be a leader, but talk is cheap. Lockett is a good guy but I don't know how much locker room impact he had. Guys like Lynch/Baldwin were the big locker room leaders for that O.

As for the D... Reed is a leader. Witherspoon wants to be, but he's gotta play better. Williams SEEMS like a bit more of a "Just do my job and do it well" guy... Now D Law is a locker room leader. That guy brings a different level of energy and ferocity. It's going to be hard to be laughing on the sideline if you're losing with D Law, Reed, and Kupp on the sideline/field. Love is a pretty vocal guy/leader as well... you need like 5+ of these kind of guys though.

A lot of that discipline has to be settled by the players. It can't come from the coaches. Thinking back to 2013, Bennett, Sherman, Thomas, Lynch, Baldwin, Wright... slacking off or mailing it in, you had someone in your face. And there was no back talking with that group of guys. Bobby was just a damn good player but very passive... not an in your face Ray Lewis personality.