D Rose is done

[WiggyRuss]

More than 15%?? You mean 50% right???? Cavs aren't that good

The Wiz and the Hawks are much improved but i think everyone would agree they are going to need a season or two to really become real contenders

Toronto does have weapons. Derozan is very good, Lowry is very good, Valuncuinas gives the Cavs problems- the reason the Cavs blew out the Raptors the game they won big is in my opinion because Valuncuinas got in bad foul trouble early and played like crap.

I am not going to say the Raptors are not a threat- but LeBron is LeBron. If it was just LeBron on the Cavs I would still pick the Cavs in a series. Irving and Lowry pretty much cancel eachother out for the most part, and Love can really put pressure on Valuncuinas. Ross and Waiters are actually very similar in a lot of ways.

the tipping point is LeBron - and i think a lot of people forget that

 

[DJ]

the only of those teams who would have more than a 15% chance ofbeating the Cavs in a series is Chicago- and thats if Rose is healthy and has his head on straight.

Noah and Gasol are not exactly pictures of health either from the past few years.


Does anyone really think that the Wizards of Hawks would have anything more than a punchers chance against Chicago or Cleveland?----- Anyone can get hot for one game- but those teams just could not do it 4teams out of 7 in my opinion against the Bulls and their depth and D- or the Cavs and LeBron, Love and Kyrie.....

The Raptors actually matchup a lot better against chicago than Cleveland. No one on Toronto can even really slow down LeBron- and Kyrie will make Lowry work big time- and Love can get Valunciuans in foul trouble......

The Raptors and Chicago have some similairities in that they both have a deep skilled roster- but its funny how toronto is more offensively based and chicago more defensively based....

I would take Washington and Chicago over Cleveland and maybe Toronto. I'd definitely take the Raps if DeRozan was playing. Any other team in the EC? I'd probably take the Cavs. If it was against Miami that would be a tough call, I might consider them also. Wade and Bosh would have extra incentive to win. So those 4 teams I'd take over the Cavs.

Any other team, I'd say the Cavs. And this is if the Cavs are healthy. They don't look so great right now minus their best big man and their alleged PG out with a hurt vagina.

 

[purguy12]

Butler is a Beast

 

[purguy12]

I honestly don't think Cavs are that great. Love and Iriving plays no D. LBJ has took a step back. Im not too worried about them.

 

[bksballer89]

what step back did Lebron take?

 

[bksballer89]

Lebron James- 25.5 PPG, 8 APG, & 5 RPG on 50% shooting and 37% shooting from 3.

I will ask again what step back did Lebron take this year?

His rebounds are at the lowest of his career probably because this is the best rebounding team of his career so he's not asked to rebound as much anymore

 

[trojanfan12]

what step back did Lebron take?

Yeah, that one cracks me up. I'm no Lebron fan and would love to be able to say that he's starting his inevitable decline (especially to piss off certain Cavs fans), but he certainly hasn't started it this year.

Lebron's skills will eventually start to decline, it's inevitable. How fast that decline happens will be determined by how well he adjusts his game when it starts. But to claim he's already started it, is just crazy talk.

 

[purguy12]

Last 3-4 games have been bad by rose. I think he needs a rest.

 

[purguy12]

I have LBJ at #5 right now in the NBA. He took a couple steps back. He doesn't take over games anymore. Once in awhile he will flash but he really depends on his teammates.

 

[bksballer89]

I have LBJ at #5 right now in the NBA. He took a couple steps back. He doesn't take over games anymore. Once in awhile he will flash but he really depends on his teammates.

This is a lie

 

[bksballer89]

To be fair to Purguy, Rose numbers this year does look like a role player.

17, 5, & 3 with a PER of 15

 

[purguy12]

To be fair to Purguy, Rose numbers this year does look like a role player.

17, 5, & 3 with a PER of 15

Yeah nothing great but I will take it. Just stay healthy and I will be ok. Gasol and Butler will lead us.

 

[DJ]

Forgot about this thread, Rose is balling tonight.

 

[DJ]

He's averaging 17ppg and 5apg, just 3.5ppg and 1.6apg under his career averages.

Hardly just a role player.

 

[bksballer89]

Tony Wroten-17 & 5 with a per of 14.9

Pretty sure he's a role player

 

[podsox]

meanwhile butler has come back down to reality in the last 2 wks

 

[bksballer89]

meanwhile butler has come back down to reality in the last 2 wks

It is a risk for anyone who actually gives him the max because you have such a short sample size

 

[bksballer89]

Chicago is such a bad home team

 

[mr.hockey4242]

meanwhile butler has come back down to reality in the last 2 wks

More just the last 3 games. Not making shots. Doing everything else though.


And yeah, Chicago is playing horrible at home too often this year

 

[anotheridiot]

Butler deferring to Derrick too much. He led this team. Defense fell apart again. Rose put up numbers but just keeping up with the other guards is not enough, you gotta stop them on the other end.

Honestly didnt believe Mike Dunleavy was such an important player on this team to spread the floor. Nico can do it, but he is not going Josh Smith and just shooting threes, he is posting and driving, sometimes when he should have shot that three.

They say rose and butler were 5 and 6th in all star voting. I am thinking Bucketts could use a break.