Current +4 MLB Draft : CHAT

[Nosferatu]

Isn't there another guy nicknamed "Pudge" that came around before Ivan?

Yes

 

[broncosmitty]

Eh, Griffey in Seattle maybe but i'd prefer a guy who didn't break down at 30. I'll take Speaker.

OPS+ 157 - 136

You said you were impressed by strikeout rate, don't get much better than Speakers.

His rate is a little different than JoeD's. Speaker wasn't hitting as many homers as he struck out. Still impressive, but different.

I take him over JoeD because of the base stealing element of his game. Or the OBP.

I hold it against Speaker that he wasn't the best at his position during his own era. That isn't really fair, but I still do it.

 

[broncosmitty]

Isn't there another guy nicknamed "Pudge" that came around before Ivan?

Sssshhhhhh

 

[femurov]

Yes

Just saying... I had ivan Rodriguez on my short list because I thought he was still available.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Question why the hate on DiMaggio? Am I missing something like usual. I feel his career batting average of .325 (I think) and other stats makes him a great player but not sure why others aren't a fan.

Saying someone is a top 10 CF of all time isn't exactly hate. You keep going to his .325 career average, but Cobb hit what, .365 for his career and Speaker .345, both had great speed and were far better defensive players. Mays, Mantle and Griffey Jr all had more bombs. He's in the argument, but it's not just this mock that he hasn't gone top 10. He has rarely gone top 20

 

[Nosferatu]

His rate is a little different than JoeD's. Speaker wasn't hitting as many homers as he struck out. Still impressive, but different.

I take him over JoeD because of the base stealing element of his game. Or the OBP.

I hold it against Speaker that he wasn't the best at his position during his own era. That isn't really fair, but I still do it.

Yeah I think Cobb and Speaker both went out in 28.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Less home run hitters = less swinging and missing... That's not Speakers fault...

that makes no sense... you can't reward him for playing back then either... He was well better than average... so he was great... My whole point is that you can't look at rate stats without also mentioning the MLB averages of his time...

 

[UK Cowboy]

Tris Speaker > Joe DiMaggio

All day

 

[Johnnydollaz89]

See ya in the morning johnny

Night, brother.

 

[Nosferatu]

that makes no sense... you can't reward him for playing back then either... He was well better than average... so he was great... My whole point is that you can't look at rate stats without also mentioning the MLB averages of his time...

I'm not rewarding him for when he played i'm rewarding him because he's one of the best players in the history of the game.

 

[Nosferatu]

So, I watched facing Ali again today. I could sit and watch stuff about the heavyweights of that time for days and not get bored, the only thing that even comes close is the middleweight division of the 80's

 

[UK Cowboy]

that makes no sense... you can't reward him for playing back then either... He was well better than average... so he was great... My whole point is that you can't look at rate stats without also mentioning the MLB averages of his time...

Speaker could have had 300-400 HR's without question. He played in an era of huge ballparks and used his speed. He hit less HR's than Joe D....BUT.... Average-Speaker .345 Joe D .325, Doubles-Speaker 792(MLB record) Joe D 389, Triples-Speaker 222 Joe D 131, Stolen Bases- Speaker 436 Joe D 30, OPS+-Speaker 157 Joe D 155, AND Speaker is widely considered the best defensive CF in MLB History(along with Mays)

 

[UK Cowboy]

Yeah I think Cobb and Speaker both went out in 28.

Meaning Joe D would have been the 3rd best CF of the 20's. Nobody was topping Cobb

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I'm not rewarding him for when he played i'm rewarding him because he's one of the best players in the history of the game.

Even with adjusting for eras he is still great, i never claimed he wasn't an elite player... just that you can't just say He is great because of BA or SO% and not mention the rest of his era... Its like talking about the steroid era and saying a player was great because he had so many HRs...

 

[Nosferatu]

I can say that, after like age 28 he never struck out more than 15 times in a season, that's insane

 

[broncosmitty]

Meaning Joe D would have been the 3rd best CF of the 20's. Nobody was topping Cobb

To me, nobody ever has.

To HOF voters, he was the best player EVER. Hard to top that.

 

[broncosmitty]

Yeah I think Cobb and Speaker both went out in 28.

Yeah, Cobb had those two years for Connie Mack in Philly. The last, '28, he had a damn good teammate in Tris Speaker!

 

[UK Cowboy]

Yeah, Cobb had those two years for Connie Mack in Philly. The last, '28, he had a damn good teammate in Tris Speaker!

I would have played a two man OF with 5 IFer's

 

[broncosmitty]

Just saying... I had ivan Rodriguez on my short list because I thought he was still available.

Ahhhh....

I was just being trying to be funny after giving Bums a little grief for name dropping is all.

 

[broncosmitty]

I would have played a two man OF with 5 IFer's

Can you imagine two players like that going out at the same time, on the same team, now?

You wouldn't be able to get a ticket on the road even.