could the skins be better then we think ? (me)

[SoCalWizFan]

Well, of course not brah...but I'll just go NFC here to keep it simple. You think the Cowboys win the NFCE with Weeden, the Packers NFCN with Tolzien, the Seahawks NFCW with Jackson or how about the Panthers winning the NFCS with Anderson?

This is a QB driven league brah. Due to all the rule changes brah, especially the "you can't touch my QB rule" that protect the owners investment, being an NFL QB today has never been easier!...LOL @ you for diminishing the value of today's NFL QB position. Yes brah, IMO just average QB play by any Redskins QB would have had this team winning at least .500 of their games...and, that just the truth even out West in Cali brah.

First of all I don't live anywhere near SoCal at this time (wish I did). Secondly - I am not denying that a good QB is important & that the Redskins would certainly benefit from good QB play. However - QB is not the end all / be all for any team. Even with a very good QB you need adequate talent on the rest of the team. My pt is that this team has had far from adequate talent in the last 5-10 years.

This lack of talent is primarily due to a very poor front office. Their track record in the recent past in drafting, free agent pickups & player development has been atrocious. That is why IMO the pickup of SM as GM is the most significant pickup for this team in the past 10 years. It is also why I am not that worried if either RG3 or Cousins does well this season. If they both fail I feel pretty confident that this team will have a solid base of talent & other positions to allow them to select their eventual QB next season or beyond.

Your train of thought is very Sndyer-esque or Vinny-like. You appear to only focus on the glamor positions & don't really put much stock into other positions that matter just as much such as O-line, D-line & Safety. IMO - all of these positions are important. Perhaps I am misunderstanding your pt.

 

[Sharkinva]

Socal.... Good QB play can make a bad team average, and an average team good.

Bad QB play can tend to make an average team look bad and a bad team look horrid.

I think we had average talent with no depth.. .so take from that what you will

 

[skinsdad62]

depth has hurt us a lot and we have had the wreong type of players too

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Mitzi,

Let's take this further & compare the Redskins to other successful teams that have franchise type QBs.

Socal.... Good QB play can make a bad team average, and an average team good.

Bad QB play can tend to make an average team look bad and a bad team look horrid.

I think we had average talent with no depth.. .so take from that what you will

I don't disagree with any of that except perhaps that this team has had average talent. If so - in many places - it has been very average. I don't think that many would disagree that the secondary & many parts of the ST have been awful in recent years. Same overall with the O & D lines save for a handful of players. As Skinsdad mentioned this all becomes a problem when key players get hurt due to lack of depth.

Sure - like just about any NFL team - there is talent in spots, but overall it is not that impressive. I want a very good QB as much as the next guy & don't care if it is RG3, Cousins or Joe Blow. However - this team has finally admitted that there is much more to building a team than getting the right QB & a few high profile players at skill positions.

 

[Mitziman]

Mitzi,

Let's take this further & compare the Redskins to other successful teams that have franchise type QBs.


I don't disagree with any of that except perhaps that this team has had average talent. If so - in many places - it has been very average. I don't think that many would disagree that the secondary & many parts of the ST have been awful in recent years. Same overall with the O & D lines save for a handful of players. As Skinsdad mentioned this all becomes a problem when key players get hurt due to lack of depth.

Sure - like just about any NFL team - there is talent in spots, but overall it is not that impressive. I want a very good QB as much as the next guy & don't care if it is RG3, Cousins or Joe Blow. However - this team has finally admitted that there is much more to building a team than getting the right QB & a few high profile players at skill positions.

The Skins IMO are slightly above the NFL average talent wise top to bottom...maybe 14, 15th in the league. Sure we need a few more players, doesn't everyone? The Pats IMO are the best example of middle of the road talent with a few really good players, and an outstanding QB. If Andrew Luck was a Redskin and RG3 a Ram, I think you could swap the records of the two teams over the last 3 seasons.

 

[skinsdad62]

The Skins IMO are slightly above the NFL average talent wise top to bottom...maybe 14, 15th in the league. Sure we need a few more players, doesn't everyone? The Pats IMO are the best example of middle of the road talent with a few really good players, and an outstanding QB. If Andrew Luck was a Redskin and RG3 a Ram, I think you could swap the records of the two teams over the last 3 seasons.

dude i know you are a big fan , but you are dreaming about talent we arent middle of the road in talent

 

[Lonewate44]

Mitzi,

Let's take this further & compare the Redskins to other successful teams that have franchise type QBs.


I don't disagree with any of that except perhaps that this team has had average talent. If so - in many places - it has been very average. I don't think that many would disagree that the secondary & many parts of the ST have been awful in recent years. Same overall with the O & D lines save for a handful of players. As Skinsdad mentioned this all becomes a problem when key players get hurt due to lack of depth.

Sure - like just about any NFL team - there is talent in spots, but overall it is not that impressive. I want a very good QB as much as the next guy & don't care if it is RG3, Cousins or Joe Blow. However - this team has finally admitted that there is much more to building a team than getting the right QB & a few high profile players at skill positions.

Oh no so cal....Now we have RGIII, Cousins, McCoy, and this Joe Blow guy in the mix!!! Quit adding to the QB cluster!!!!!

 

[skinsdad62]

• John Keim, ESPN Staff Writer

The grade was generous, and earned, but I still don’t know what an offseason that warranted an A-minus will mean for the Redskins season. As we’ve seen before, good offseasons have led to epic collapses during the season.

But the moves Washington made this offseason certainly provided (potentially) a solid foundation for a franchise that routinely finishes last and lacked a concrete vision of how to build. Has all of that been resolved in one offseason? Time will answer that question. It was a good start, but it takes more than one offseason to rebuild a franchise.

Robert Griffin III, but the entire group. There are parts of each quarterback’s game that I really like, but all of them remain question marks. Griffin gets the first chance to keep the job, but he has a lot to prove after the past two seasons. This isn’t as simple as saying, “Run the 2012 offense!” Griffin needs to evolve and has the talent to do so; now we need to see it. How short is his leash – and will the front office/ownership allow Gruden full autonomy on the decision? The QB/coach dynamic has been a big one the past two seasons.

The outside pass rush. I’m not sold that Trent Murphy will make this huge leap in his second year. After watching film last season, it’s not as if he was threatening the quarterback that often; he has a lot of room for improvement – is it too much room? Preston Smith will need to be the guy here and, as a rookie, that could be difficult. Look for them to add another player here at some point (after final cuts?) to improve the depth.

The offensive line. I like the changes that they made, with Spencer Long andBrandon Scherff taking over on the right side. But that also means there likely will be some bumpy moments considering neither has started an NFL game. The improvement will be there long term, but what will it look like in the short term? Eventually, this line has enough talent and the proper coaching to be a good one. When that occurs, I don’t know.

Safety. The team seems upbeat about the changes made at safety this offseason – and that’s not always the case (last year being an example). But what doesDashon Goldson have left? Can Jeron Johnson or Duke Ihenacho become a quality starter? An improved front helps them, as does the addition of cornerChris Culliver. But they still have to prove they can do the job.

History. The Redskins have had good offseasons in the past only to go up in flames. However, you can’t call the 2013 offseason a good one (not with Griffin rehabbing from a knee injury and all the behind-the-scenes issues trickling out). And last offseason was one of change more than it was productive. Both led to disastrous seasons. But we’ve seen plenty in the past here to know that good offseasons don’t always translate to in-season success.

some people need to take this to heart

 

[redskinsfan]

One large part of the equation will be our o-line. If it holds up, lots of good things will happen, including better QB play. I think we'll have a pretty darn good run blocking o-line, which should open holes for Morris and then Matt Jones. Jones, IMO, could be used as a closer if we end up getting a lead late in the game. Morris will pound and soften up the defense. Jones will come in to finish things up.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

dude i know you are a big fan , but you are dreaming about talent we arent middle of the road in talent

Agree. Now perhaps they could be at this point as the season progresses if the offseason pickups do as well as expected. Perhaps they could move up further on the list as SM retools this team.

However - if we are simply looking at the roster from last season - you would be hard pressed to call the talent - outside of the QB position - as middle of the NFL pack. The O line basically had one stellar player (who was banged up), the secondary was terrible for the most part, the D line was not very good as evidenced by all the replacements recently signed & there were question marks elsewhere.

The basic strengths were at the LB position, WR & RB. That hardly warrants being in the top half of NFL talent. Again - look at last year's roster - not the current one (their rating is TBD). Also - you are fooling yourself if you believe that Brady is the only reason for the Pats success. Granted - he is a huge part of their success, but many other players on that roster are also major contributors. For starters - Brady could not do much without a good O-line.