Completely Non-FF Thoughts

[MilkSpiller22]

i didnt realize how expensive the sunday ticket was... never had it and didnt even know what it was...

is it really worth it??

 

[SmokingMonkey]

My curiosity stops at price tag. If ALL the rumors are to be believed- YouTube is buying it for at least 1 billion more than Direct was paying, and if Direct was losing money on the deal charging somewhere in the beighborhood of 300 a year for it.. what are they gonna charge??

From what I can find, DirectTV had roughly 13.5 million subscribers, and around 1.5 million of them purchased the Sunday ticket.

Google claims YoutubeTV has around 5 million subscribers, just over a third of what DTV has.

So how does the math work out where they turn a profit? Do they increase the price, and hope all 1.5 of the current DTV Sunday ticket subscribers jump ship, plus bank on some of their own signing up?
Or would lowering it, significantly, potentially greatly increasing the number of potential Sunday ticket subscribers (and thus increasing youtubeTV subscribers, greatly) be a feasible way to go?

As a decade long Sunday Ticket subscriber, who only recently got fed up with DTV and their ridiculous rates and cut ties (going to YouTubeTV in fact), I'm very curious how they'll handle it, financially.

And if it's reasonable, then I'll start wondering about how they'll roll it out and what features it has.

so you are worried about Google pricing out a significant portion of its customer base after it paid a ton of money to acquire the streaming rights?
Pretty sure the NFL is the most viewed anything on TV in America - I don't actually know that, but do know that it blows most other sporting events out of the water when it comes to viewer #s.

Would be shocked if Google bought those rights to funnel all of those viewers to their streaming service only to price them out. Wouldn't be the first time a big company fumbled (pun intended), but I don't think Google cares a TON about the subscription fees when they have access to show you whatever commercials they want and can probably also track everything think you do online in your house while their apps are running. Your eyes, brain, and wallet are way more valuable to Google than your YT TV subscription fee.

Or I'm way off base and they price the common man out of the Sunday Ticket

 

[TREFF]

i didnt realize how expensive the sunday ticket was... never had it and didnt even know what it was...

is it really worth it??

When it was 200, and the standard monthly subscription was 75 or less, and DTV threw in 3-6 months of their best premiums- HBO, Starz, Showtime..etc..for free to purchase it, yes. Especially if you live in Colorado and loathe the Broncos

But once it started increasing, and the standard subscription nearly doubled, and the freebies could only be had by calling them and threatening to leave..that's when I drew the line

 

[SmokingMonkey]

i didnt realize how expensive the sunday ticket was... never had it and didnt even know what it was...

is it really worth it??

never had it legitimately, had a dish back in the day and my brother knew the install guy so we got the premium card for our box instead of the basic one. all the sports and adult channels for free, the early-mid 2000s were a wild free for all compared to today's restrictions.

 

[TREFF]

Or I'm way off base and they price the common man out of the Sunday Ticket

As per that report I quoted, it's not gonna be less, and if I'm representative of a 'common man/typical NFL fan'...yep they'll be pricing out the common man cuz 300 is too much for my blood, and it'll likely be more

 

[SmokingMonkey]

As per that report I quoted, it's not gonna be less, and if I'm representative of a 'common man/typical NFL fan'...yep they'll be pricing out the common man cuz 300 is too much for my blood, and it'll likely be more

shit, I missed your post with the article or quote.
looks like the plan is to maintain the status quo, at least out the gates

 

[MilkSpiller22]

As per that report I quoted, it's not gonna be less, and if I'm representative of a 'common man/typical NFL fan'...yep they'll be pricing out the common man cuz 300 is too much for my blood, and it'll likely be more

there may be freebees... jsut like you said DTV used to do...

but the fact that the price is basically equal to the price per month for the service, i am sure that you wont have to be a youtube tv subscriber to get the service...

which would allow youtube tv subscibers to be given a better deal for it...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

is there any benefit in owning sunday ticket outside of the 18 week season??

 

[TREFF]

is there any benefit in owning sunday ticket outside of the 18 week season??

I assume you're meaning, was there any other content exclusive to Sunday Ticket subscribers?

Outside of the features available, like player tracker, on GameDay Sundays, no.
Preseason isn't in it, playoffs aren't in it, no additional draft coverage or anything like that..hell, Monday night, Sunday night and Thursday night wasn't even in it

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I assume you're meaning, was there any other content exclusive to Sunday Ticket subscribers?

Outside of the features available, like player tracker, on GameDay Sundays, no.
Preseason isn't in it, playoffs aren't in it, no additional draft coverage or anything like that..hell, Monday night, Sunday night and Thursday night wasn't even in it

then i really dont get it?? outside of being an out of market fan of a team, isnt the redzone network simply a better more reasonably priced option??

redzone is in the sports plus package which costs you 10.99 per month...

 

[averagejoe]

So how does the math work out where they turn a profit?

Advertising? Pop-up ads.

This is a great dialogue. Just reinforcing my determination to get an antenna. Even if an antenna costs $300, i will be saving money when you consider monthly streaming, app or Sunday ticket prices, not to mention just paying for a base "provider"

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Advertising? Pop-up ads.

This is a great dialogue. Just reinforcing my determination to get an antenna. Even if an antenna costs $300, i will be saving money when you consider monthly streaming, app or Sunday ticket prices, not to mention just paying for a base "provider"

i can almost guarantee you wont have to get the base provider for this... there is no need for that...

 

[Bandit]

So just an FYI, the regular Sunday ticket with Direct TV was $300 but Sunday ticket max to include Red Zone was another $99 on top of that, so if you wanted everything it was $400. With Direct TV you couldn't just purchase Red Zone like with other cable providers, they made you purchase the whole Sunday ticket and didn't offer it as a standalone channel. Another thing that will be interesting is if the NFL continues to allow the cable providers to offer the Red Zone channel or if they make everybody get it through You Tube TV now.

 

[TREFF]

then i really dont get it?? outside of being an out of market fan of a team, isnt the redzone network simply a better more reasonably priced option??

redzone is in the sports plus package which costs you 10.99 per month...

You have no control over what game your watching during redzone, and if you're Luke me, you want to see the entire drive, what play got called in situations, x, y and z, who got the ball then, why didn't it work, why did it, ..etc..red zone mostly just goes to whatever game has a red zone situation, sits there for a few plays, and moves on..there's no context. You're basically paying 11 bucks a month for a less exciting highlight real then you'd get during nbc's gamenight

 

[Bandit]

then i really dont get it?? outside of being an out of market fan of a team, isnt the redzone network simply a better more reasonably priced option??

redzone is in the sports plus package which costs you 10.99 per month...

There are a lot of things you miss from a fantasy perspective just watching Red Zone. That's why I watch all the games at once. There are a lot of people that don't like it because it's just too much going on at once, but I love it.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

You have no control over what game your watching during redzone, and if you're Luke me, you want to see the entire drive, what play got called in situations, x, y and z, who got the ball then, why didn't it work, why did it, ..etc..red zone mostly just goes to whatever game has a red zone situation, sits there for a few plays, and moves on..there's no context. You're basically paying 11 bucks a month for a less exciting highlight real then you'd get during nbc's gamenight

i agree about redzone that there is no context and no flow... but at 260 dollars a year cheaper?? i think most could live with redzone over the sunday ticket...

But my bet is that there will be freebees for Youtube tv providers... including the 10.99 sports plus package that includes redzone and the 9.99 per month 4K plus addition...

 

[TREFF]

i can almost guarantee you wont have to get the base provider for this... there is no need for that...

True, there is no need, but then again, there never has been. Direct could've sold it stand alone. One time instalation fee and done..but they didn't

In that previously mentioned report from Adam Kaplan, it's reported that there are escalators in the contract, tied to the amount of new YoutubeTV subscribers. So if I'm the NFL, there's NO WAY that I don't put a clause in the contract that says every Sunday Ticket subscription requires a base service agreement.

I would almost guarantee the exact opposite, just good business on the NFL's side

 

[MilkSpiller22]

True, there is no need, but then again, there never has been. Direct could've sold it stand alone. One time instalation fee and done..but they didn't

In that previously mentioned report from Adam Kaplan, it's reported that there are escalators in the contract, tied to the amount of new YoutubeTV subscribers. So if I'm the NFL, there's NO WAY that I don't put a clause in the contract that says every Sunday Ticket subscription requires a base service agreement.

I would almost guarantee the exact opposite, just good business on the NFL's side

i know it is different but there are other plans including the NBA full pass, that doesnt require a Youtube tv base subscription...

 

[TREFF]

i know it is different but there are other plans including the NBA full pass, that doesnt require a Youtube tv base subscription...

Comes down to the details in the contract, but that's certainly what I'd put in there if I were Goodell

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Comes down to the details in the contract, but that's certainly what I'd put in there if I were Goodell

we will definitely see... but i would be shocked if google would sign that contract if they forced people to subscribe to their provider... i dont really understand why that would be beneificial for the NFL and Goodell unless their intent is to hurt google and to hurt the package itself...