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[countryroads316]

If we pick at 10, do see a QB there we could take?

Very possible and if Will Levis is there you snatch him up quickly

 

[kbso83432]

If we pick at 10, do see a QB there we could take?

I dont watch enough college football to comment intelligently. As of right now, it looks like Richardson will be there. I've heard good and bad.

Levis didn't impress me this year, but I think I have a blind spot for QB's. I'm hit and miss.

I liked Josh Allen, I liked RG3. If Robert had let the Shanahan's continue to coach him he would have been great. His personality was his flaw. That's the stuff you don't see on tape.

Big on Rosen. Lol. But wasn't so big on the class last year and I'm looking good on that front so far.

Before the draft I said I didn't like Dwayne.

Wanted Stafford, but also wanted Russ.

I'm putting myself in QB probation. Eager to see what the board wants to do at QB.

 

[Sportster 72]

I dont watch enough college football to comment intelligently. As of right now, it looks like Richardson will be there. I've heard good and bad.

Levis didn't impress me this year, but I think I have a blind spot for QB's. I'm hit and miss.

I liked Josh Allen, I liked RG3. If Robert had let the Shanahan's continue to coach him he would have been great. His personality was his flaw. That's the stuff you don't see on tape.

Big on Rosen. Lol. But wasn't so big on the class last year and I'm looking good on that front so far.

Before the draft I said I didn't like Dwayne.

Wanted Stafford, but also wanted Russ.

I'm putting myself in QB probation. Eager to see what the board wants to do at QB.

I was right on KC and Griffin. Wrong on Russell Wilson.

Right on Haskins, Tua has been what I thought he would be ... talented by injury prone. I was wrong about Josh Allen and probably on Herbert. I don't see enough of west coats QBs. I was right about Joe Burrow, Sty and I argued who was better Burrow or Haskins.

I was wrong on Mahomes ... that is major league wrong, I was wrong on Lamar. His passing skills are sub par but he is way more dynamic than I thought would work in the NFL. Oddly Jackson was supposed to be what Griffin didn't become. Agree about the personality flaws.

I think there is a good chance Young, Stroud and Levis are gone by the time Washington's pick comes up. I have seen almost nothing of Richardson but he seems to be ranked as QB 4.

One game is not enough to judge Howell but I am anxious to see him play. I hope he doesn't get killled. I like the kid but not sure how good he will be. He has the tools, decision making will be key. I would be okay with Howell and a mid priced vet. I don't want to give up 3 draft picks for a QB who threw almost as many INTs in one game as he did all of the previous year. That shit was ugly.

Maybe I am wrong but I am guessing Dan will not spend a ton on anyone before the sale.

 

[kbso83432]

Yeah, I'm not sure you can win it all with Lamar. Can he throw a team back into a game? Definitely missed on him too though. I didn't see him being MVP like he was.

With Howell, I'm just looking to see if he knows the offense. That will tell me a lot. I'm glad we're playing Dallas.

I want to see how he handles pressure. Does he know where his check downs are? Does he lock onto his primary read or does he scan the field? When climbing the pocket does he keep his eyes down field? Can he get the play off in time? Can he call the right protection?

You're right, not gonna learn much in one game, but those will be the things I'm looking for. Dan Quinn is gonna throw the kitchen sink at him.

According to Keim it looks like we won't spend big on QB. I think Payne is a priority. Big decision to be made if Levis or Richardson is there at 11 or 12. The value at that spot will probably be corner or LT. Shutdown CB, franchise LT or a QB with question marks?

 

[skinsdad62]

Yeah, I'm not sure you can win it all with Lamar. Can he throw a team back into a game? Definitely missed on him too though. I didn't see him being MVP like he was.

With Howell, I'm just looking to see if he knows the offense. That will tell me a lot. I'm glad we're playing Dallas.

I want to see how he handles pressure. Does he know where his check downs are? Does he lock onto his primary read or does he scan the field? When climbing the pocket does he keep his eyes down field? Can he get the play off in time? Can he call the right protection?

You're right, not gonna learn much in one game, but those will be the things I'm looking for. Dan Quinn is gonna throw the kitchen sink at him.

According to Keim it looks like we won't spend big on QB. I think Payne is a priority. Big decision to be made if Levis or Richardson is there at 11 or 12. The value at that spot will probably be corner or LT. Shutdown CB, franchise LT or a QB with question marks?

so far from what i have seen from both guys is that they need seasoning . more video will come out and i can learn more

 

[skinsdad62]

Dallas Cowboys vs Washington Commanders Wednesday Injury Report

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i would try to keep him at that price . he has been productive

 

[skinsdad62]

The 2023 Washington Commanders quarterback conundrum – Part II

The Washington Commanders will head into the 2023 offseason with a major concern that has plagued them for many years: what to do at quarterback.

riggosrag.com

i would look to drafting a qb somewhere in the draft , and have him compete with howell as starter and have falco there because he knows the offense

 

[kbso83432]

The 2023 Washington Commanders quarterback conundrum – Part II

The Washington Commanders will head into the 2023 offseason with a major concern that has plagued them for many years: what to do at quarterback.

riggosrag.com

i would look to drafting a qb somewhere in the draft , and have him compete with howell as starter and have falco there because he knows the offense

Lately I've really been thinking twice about letting Heinicke walk out the door. Listening to Keim's new podcast last night he said its not a matter of if the Skins want Heinicke, it's a matter of if Heinicke still wants to be here.

 

[chillerdab]

Like I said on another thread, the Commanders should be honest and real with TH:

"We love your grit, moxie, passion. We love that the team loves you. We would love to have you back, but not at the going rate for starters. We think you are, in baseball terms, a Quadruple A player - not quite a starter, better than a backup / minor leaguer. If you're looking for starter's money, unfortuately, you'd have to look elsewhere. If you're willing to stay here in DC, spot start, help the qb room grow and understand the offense, we'd pay you more than a backup qb to do that. What do you want to do, Taylor?"

 

[skinsdad62]

Lately I've really been thinking twice about letting Heinicke walk out the door. Listening to Keim's new podcast last night he said its not a matter of if the Skins want Heinicke, it's a matter of if Heinicke still wants to be here.

Now that’s true

 

[kbso83432]

Like I said on another thread, the Commanders should be honest and real with TH:

"We love your grit, moxie, passion. We love that the team loves you. We would love to have you back, but not at the going rate for starters. We think you are, in baseball terms, a Quadruple A player - not quite a starter, better than a backup / minor leaguer. If you're looking for starter's money, unfortuately, you'd have to look elsewhere. If you're willing to stay here in DC, spot start, help the qb room grow and understand the offense, we'd pay you more than a backup qb to do that. What do you want to do, Taylor?"

I guess once we see Howell.play we might have a clearer picture, but if I'm Carr or Grap, no way I sign up to look over my shoulder and see the fanbase's hero standing there.

 

[duke1861]

I guess once we see Howell.play we might have a clearer picture, but if I'm Carr or Grap, no way I sign up to look over my shoulder and see the fanbase's hero standing there.

Well that is a good point.

We screwed up in multiple ways here. In all honesty, does it make sense for 1 meaningless game to determine the course of action for a full offseason with respect to obtaining a QB for the long term? Can Rivera really get a full sense on what Howell has when Howell will have no running game, a thrown-together OLine, and playing an aggressive Dallas team with a strong reason to win?

Suppose Howell throws 3 picks and looks lost. Does that mean he is a possible bust and we need a starter? Suppose Howell throws 3 TDs, does that mean he is our savior at QB?

Rivera has dug a hole and will have to get himself out of this. I am not sure taking the 3rd or 4th QB in a weak QB class is the answer either. Would it make sense to have Howell and a rookie battle it out? Why force the starting job on a rookie or Howell if they are NOT ready or even the best option? If that is the case, we have to bring in a vet and then carry 3 QBs on the roster. It is a mess and there is no easy answer.

What I will say is that I am beginning to think that the new owner will fire Rivera immediately. After the last week of nonsense with the starting QB and not knowing the playoff status of his own team, if I am a new owner, I cannot gamble on having Rivera around any longer than he must be. I doubt this happens at all though.

 

[kbso83432]

Well that is a good point.

We screwed up in multiple ways here. In all honesty, does it make sense for 1 meaningless game to determine the course of action for a full offseason with respect to obtaining a QB for the long term? Can Rivera really get a full sense on what Howell has when Howell will have no running game, a thrown-together OLine, and playing an aggressive Dallas team with a strong reason to win?

Suppose Howell throws 3 picks and looks lost. Does that mean he is a possible bust and we need a starter? Suppose Howell throws 3 TDs, does that mean he is our savior at QB?

Rivera has dug a hole and will have to get himself out of this. I am not sure taking the 3rd or 4th QB in a weak QB class is the answer either. Would it make sense to have Howell and a rookie battle it out? Why force the starting job on a rookie or Howell if they are NOT ready or even the best option? If that is the case, we have to bring in a vet and then carry 3 QBs on the roster. It is a mess and there is no easy answer.

What I will say is that I am beginning to think that the new owner will fire Rivera immediately. After the last week of nonsense with the starting QB and not knowing the playoff status of his own team, if I am a new owner, I cannot gamble on having Rivera around any longer than he must be. I doubt this happens at all though.

No, I don't think Howell's play will determine the off-season. It could tell you at the very least that he showed enough to make the staff feel more comfortable letting Heinicke leave.

Plenty of possibilities.

Option A
Carr/Grap
Howell

Option B
Brisesett
Heinicke
Howell

Option C
Richardson/Levis
Heinicke
Howell

Option D
Stroud (trade with Chicago) would take a ton to get the Bears to move from 2 to 11. Not likely.
Heinicke
Howell

I think Rivera is here next year. Not sure about Scott though.

 

[duke1861]

No, I don't think Howell's play will determine the off-season. It could tell you at the very least that he showed enough to make the staff feel more comfortable letting Heinicke leave.

Plenty of possibilities.

Option A
Carr/Grap
Howell

Option B
Brisesett
Heinicke
Howell

Option C
Richardson/Levis
Heinicke
Howell

Option D
Stroud (trade with Chicago) would take a ton to get the Bears to move from 2 to 11. Not likely.
Heinicke
Howell

I think Rivera is here next year. Not sure about Scott though.

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I lean toward A IF the cash is right:

Carr = 5 year deal at 35 million a year
Grap = 2-3 year deal at 15 million a year

Otherwise I go with option C.

Yes, Rivera will be here next year and continue to cause damage to the roster. He has done more damage than some of you think I believe. I hope Turner is gone but 2023 is not of consequence as it is more or less a pre-season season given the new owner cleaning house and Rivera being a dead man walking. I could see the team winning 5-6 games next year in all honesty.

 

[kbso83432]

I lean toward A IF the cash is right:

Carr = 5 year deal at 35 million a year
Grap = 2-3 year deal at 15 million a year

Otherwise I go with option C.

Yes, Rivera will be here next year and continue to cause damage to the roster. He has done more damage than some of you think I believe. I hope Turner is gone but 2023 is not of consequence as it is more or less a pre-season season given the new owner cleaning house and Rivera being a dead man walking. I could see the team winning 5-6 games next year in all honesty.

It's too early to predict next year imo. Gotta see who QB1 is. For all his short comings, and he has them, when Ron had a QB he coached in a Superbowl. Until Dan is gone, and we find a QB, no one is going to succeed here.

 

[duke1861]

It's too early to predict next year imo. Gotta see who QB1 is. For all his short comings, and he has them, when Ron had a QB he coached in a Superbowl. Until Dan is gone, and we find a QB, no one is going to succeed here.

Not to keep going round and round, but it is Rivera the GM that is the problem mostly. Keep in mind, Rivera is on par for 5 straight losing seasons and only has 3 winning seasons out of 12 he has coached.

The problem is that Rivera came right as Snyder was finally giving up control. He also came in at a time when the aftermath of the trade for RG3 was finally over. We had lots of cap room actually and there was a general rebuild in the NFC east. Seems like all the teams were rebuilding.
Then the insane decisions started: Signing Fritz for 10 million, giving up draft picks for Wentz, destroying the OLine, signing way too many former Panthers coaches and players, and letting Brandon Scherff walk simply to afford Wentz.

Finally, he sat TH against the Browns in a must-win game for no reason. He also seems delusional and not willing to accept responsibility.

I saw this post on another board:

Keep in mind, between his nine-year tenure in Carolina and his three seasons in Washington, he has now coached 189 regular season NFL games and posted a .519 winning percentage. Of the 42 men who have coached more games, according to data at Pro Football Reference, only eight have won at a lower rate. That fact illustrates the obvious: To coach for that long, you have to win.

Dig in on those numbers a little deeper. Rivera’s dozen seasons have ended with a winning record just three times, a 25 percent rate. No one who has coached more games has a lower rate of winning seasons — though Sam Wyche, who took the Cincinnati Bengals to a Super Bowl and later coached in Tampa Bay, also went three for 12. Lovie Smith, Lou Saban, Jon Gruden, Norv Turner, Marvin Lewis, Weeb Ewbank and Jeff Fisher all coached more games than Rivera and won a lower percentage of them. But all seven of those coaches posted winning records more often.

What we have, then, is a documented record of mediocrity. Upon his hiring, Rivera represented a sort of steel-jawed stability. He brought a dignity the franchise desperately needed. He stood tall during his own fight with cancer, setting an example and a standard. It was and is admirable.

But he does not win and has not won consistently. It didn’t happen in Carolina, where he was eventually fired by a new owner. It hasn’t happened in Washington, where he is 21-27-1, won a division title with a losing record in Year 1 and had a playoff spot in his grasp but went 0-3-1 with a bungled quarterback switch in Year 3.

 

[kbso83432]

In a normal year, I do think Ron gets fired. They tried the make Scherff the highest paid guard ever and he balked. That's on Dan and the half empty stadium. I'd probably want out too.

If you really break down the cap we could have a bunch of money this year.

Cutting these guys post June savings:

Wentz 26.1
Leno 10.2
Roullier 10.3
Logan 7.0
McCain 4.4
Norwell 4.4
McKissic 2.7

Thats 65.1 million plus to 20m cap space we are already slated to have. That makes 85m. Take away about 13m for the draft and that leaves you 72m to play with if you want.

I know the last thing YOU want is Rivera having access to that cash. Lol. Just saying.

 

[duke1861]

In a normal year, I do think Ron gets fired. They tried the make Scherff the highest paid guard ever and he balked. That's on Dan and the half empty stadium. I'd probably want out too.

If you really break down the cap we could have a bunch of money this year.

Cutting these guys post June savings:

Wentz 26.1
Leno 10.2
Roullier 10.3
Logan 7.0
McCain 4.4
Norwell 4.4
McKissic 2.7

Thats 65.1 million

I know the last thing YOU want is Rivera having access to that cash. Lol. Just saying.

I would hope none of us would want Rivera with access to that cash.

Why?

Because he has bungled the roster for 3 years now and cannot build a unit without tearing now another unit.

That is why I want the new owner to can him the day he steps in to the office. We cannot afford any more of Riveras mistakes. We need to stop the bleeding asap and get Rivera out if here.

While that is a ton of cash, it also represents:

Starting qb
Starting LT
Starting center
Starting and key reserve FS
Starting guard
Starting TE
Primary 3rd down back

The 65million will go quick.

 

[kbso83432]

I would hope none of us would want Rivera with access to that cash.

Why?

Because he has bungled the roster for 3 years now and cannot build a unit without tearing now another unit.

That is why I want the new owner to can him the day he steps in to the office. We cannot afford any more of Riveras mistakes. We need to stop the bleeding asap and get Rivera out if here.

Not gonna lie. I really like this roster. QB, G, T, back up LB, slot corner, back up for Curl.

 

[duke1861]

Current roster or roster with those position upgrades?