Commanders don't know where they play?

[Coily1]

Saw @Wamu briefly noted this.

Commanders embarrassingly try to sell mugs with outline of Washington state behind team logo

The Commanders took an "L" before Sunday's game even started.

sports.yahoo.com

Maybe Snyder should stick to selling Bud Light in FedEx Field bathrooms...

 

[Wamu]

Saw @Wamu briefly noted this.

Commanders embarrassingly try to sell mugs with outline of Washington state behind team logo

The Commanders took an "L" before Sunday's game even started.

sports.yahoo.com

Maybe Snyder should stick to selling Bud Light in FedEx Field bathrooms...

When I saw that the other day all I could is laugh.

 

[wilwhite]

Trying to broaden their fan base.

 

[Superbelt]

Commie v. Seahawk turf war incoming...

 

[eaglesnut]

Saw @Wamu briefly noted this.

Commanders embarrassingly try to sell mugs with outline of Washington state behind team logo

The Commanders took an "L" before Sunday's game even started.

sports.yahoo.com

Maybe Snyder should stick to selling Bud Light in FedEx Field bathrooms...

America had the number one education in the world

 

[PDay8810]

America had the number one education in the world

How far you going back?

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Hopefully a few guys got laid after paying probably $15 for one of those pieces of shit for the bitch that was like, "OOOOH a mug, I want one, I'm a Commanders fan!!!"

 

[duke1861]

It's par for the course for a pathetically run organization that is losing fans daily. The business side is a disaster and the football side isn't much better. One would think that the inaugural game for a re-branded franchise would be a marketing dream right? You would like to think the "is" would be dotted and the "ts" crossed. This is simply something you cannot screw up; yet they did just that.

Don't tell this to some of the fans because it will be dismissed as facts get in the way of the agenda and propaganda.

Don't look now, but Carson Wentz, Ron Rivera, and Scott Turner are going to bring a Super Bowl to DC....Too bad you cannot play JAX 17 times a year.

Back to reality now.....

Commanders are dead last in attendance right out of the gate.

2024 NFL Football Attendance - National Football League - ESPN

Find out the 2024 attendance numbers for every NFL football team

www.espn.com

Opposing fans are suing the team now due to the stadium accident from last year

4 fans who fell at FedEx Field sue Commanders

The suit asks for an award "in excess" of $75,000 per person for "loss of income, medical expenses, pain and suffering." The Commanders did not respond when asked for comment.

www.espn.com

Fans who are not attending the games are leaving

Dear Dan Snyder: I Quit

A longtime DC football fan gives up on the team.

www.washingtonian.com

 

[Cedrique]

To the right collector, those could fetch a pretty penny

 

[Coily1]

It's par for the course for a pathetically run organization that is losing fans daily. The business side is a disaster and the football side isn't much better. One would think that the inaugural game for a re-branded franchise would be a marketing dream right? You would like to think the "is" would be dotted and the "ts" crossed. This is simply something you cannot screw up; yet they did just that.

Don't tell this to some of the fans because it will be dismissed as facts get in the way of the agenda and propaganda.

Don't look now, but Carson Wentz, Ron Rivera, and Scott Turner are going to bring a Super Bowl to DC....Too bad you cannot play JAX 17 times a year.

Back to reality now.....

Commanders are dead last in attendance right out of the gate.

2024 NFL Football Attendance - National Football League - ESPN

Find out the 2024 attendance numbers for every NFL football team

www.espn.com

Opposing fans are suing the team now due to the stadium accident from last year

4 fans who fell at FedEx Field sue Commanders

The suit asks for an award "in excess" of $75,000 per person for "loss of income, medical expenses, pain and suffering." The Commanders did not respond when asked for comment.

www.espn.com

Fans who are not attending the games are leaving

Dear Dan Snyder: I Quit

A longtime DC football fan gives up on the team.

www.washingtonian.com

It's very old at this point but the Cranky Redskin Fan's Guide to Dan Snyder was chock full of just this sort of ineptitude. Snyder's response IIRC was to threaten a lawsuit for defamation, before his lawyers managed to convince him that too much of what was in the article was true.

 

[duke1861]

It's very old at this point but the Cranky Redskin Fan's Guide to Dan Snyder was chock full of just this sort of ineptitude. Snyder's response IIRC was to threaten a lawsuit for defamation, before his lawyers managed to convince him that too much of what was in the article was true.

I honestly thought the Congressional inquiry would be some sort of call to action for Goodell. You can't tell me what Donald Stirling and Jerry Richardson did was worse. The testimonies of the numerous women were shameful to the organization; especially how Snyder attempted to intimidate and harass them. The fact that Goodell simply turned a blind eye to it is amazing. Nobody believes Tanya Snyder is running the team...nobody.

I am not sure why Goodell and the other owners are afraid of him. You would figure they would have voted him out, but something else is keeping them from doing it. The evidence is literally overwhelming. When he had the opportunity to defend himself, he ran from Congress and claimed he was out of the country. When he did agree to testify, it was no longer under subpoena and was behind closed doors. I have no idea what came of that. For the life of me I cannot understand why ANY Commanders fan would attend a game anymore. The product on the field sux, crap is literally spewing on the field, bleachers are falling in, and the owner contributed and celebrated a culture of harassment and abuse.

I have argued this on the Commander's board but was told that "winning" would bring the fan base back. What a joke! I literally argue weekly that you cannot separate the team on the field from what occurs in the front office. They are connected.

The renaming of the team was a joke and showed a complete lack of creativity. The mascot is now a dog???? The fans were lied to as we were told we would have input.

Those naive fans looking to Rivera and Wentz to save the franchise are almost beyond help at this point. They will look for anything to be honest. Rivera should NOT be anywhere near a front office and Wentz is on his 3rd team in 3 years. Again, don't tell that to some of the fans.

 

[Coily1]

I honestly thought the Congressional inquiry would be some sort of call to action for Goodell. You can't tell me what Donald Stirling and Jerry Richardson did was worse. The testimonies of the numerous women were shameful to the organization; especially how Snyder attempted to intimidate and harass them. The fact that Goodell simply turned a blind eye to it is amazing. Nobody believes Tanya Snyder is running the team...nobody.

I am not sure why Goodell and the other owners are afraid of him. You would figure they would have voted him out, but something else is keeping them from doing it. The evidence is literally overwhelming. When he had the opportunity to defend himself, he ran from Congress and claimed he was out of the country. When he did agree to testify, it was no longer under subpoena and was behind closed doors. I have no idea what came of that. For the life of me I cannot understand why ANY Commanders fan would attend a game anymore. The product on the field sux, crap is literally spewing on the field, bleachers are falling in, and the owner contributed and celebrated a culture of harassment and abuse.

NFL owners are a tighter knit group. The idea that Snyder and Washington are the only ones in the League with bad working environments is laughable, but that it's not being investigated any further should tell you the level of interest in reform.

I have argued this on the Commander's board but was told that "winning" would bring the fan base back. What a joke! I literally argue weekly that you cannot separate the team on the field from what occurs in the front office. They are connected.

The renaming of the team was a joke and showed a complete lack of creativity. The mascot is now a dog???? The fans were lied to as we were told we would have input.

Those naive fans looking to Rivera and Wentz to save the franchise are almost beyond help at this point. They will look for anything to be honest. Rivera should NOT be anywhere near a front office and Wentz is on his 3rd team in 3 years. Again, don't tell that to some of the fans.

It's pretty much par for the course. There are devoted fans who still haven't left (and amazingly will still commit money towards the franchise), and that they believe that everything will eventually heal and be sunshine and championship trophies, is pretty much its own mental disorder at this point.

You're correct- nothing will fundamentally ever change as long as that front office operates as it does. As for the team name, yeah it was pretty crooked to come up with something so bland. You're a Wizards fan though? You know Snyder's not unique in this regard.

 

[Judge Fudge]

Commie v. Seahawk turf war incoming...

You see...

This would be the time where I hit him between his "goal line" for 3 points.

You know.....

Dirty but effective

 

[duke1861]

NFL owners are a tighter knit group. The idea that Snyder and Washington are the only ones in the League with bad working environments is laughable, but that it's not being investigated any further should tell you the level of interest in reform.

It's pretty much par for the course. There are devoted fans who still haven't left (and amazingly will still commit money towards the franchise), and that they believe that everything will eventually heal and be sunshine and championship trophies, is pretty much its own mental disorder at this point.

You're correct- nothing will fundamentally ever change as long as that front office operates as it does. As for the team name, yeah it was pretty crooked to come up with something so bland. You're a Wizards fan though? You know Snyder's not unique in this regard.

You are correct, it's an old boys club for sure. I believe the ring leaders are Jones, Kraft, and Kronkie. I believe they let Snyder butt his way into the clubhouse and they tolerate him. Snyder probably knows too much, so they keep him around. I am not a conspiracy theorist but what Snyder allowed to happen and probably did makes Sarver look like a choir boy. That being said, yes, I believe there is shady stuff going on in the league OR has gone on. I believe the Redskins simply allowed it to go on too long, whereas other teams toned it down or knocked it off much earlier. Who knows?

I wholeheartedly believe the Gruden email leaks were ordered by Snyder to get at Bruce Allen. I also believe he has connections to make things "disappear". I highly doubt everyone that Snyder fired had simply gone rogue and were doing these things in the dark. I am guessing Snyder testified to just that. He probably pointed to the fact that he hired Rivera to clean everything up and that he he ditched the racist nickname and logo to build a better "tomorrow" for the fans. I am also betting he said "I don't know" or "I don't remember" about a million times during that 11-hour testimony.

With respect to the fans, most of the fans on the Commanders board are great people. The mod over there is fantastic and a solid person. There is one poster who literally makes no sense with his nonsense, but most are great to speak with. That being said, there does appear to be a tremendous amount of hope and optimism for the team. Again, I think desperation makes fans do weird things. I was against hiring Rivera from the get-go because the game has passed him by and he has zero front office experience. I believe desperate fans don't care and will believe in anything at this point. You simply cannot ignore what is going on from the business side and ownership side unless you intentionally turn a blind eye. Rivera isn't going to save the franchise and the fans know that.

I am actually in the process of disassociating myself from the team. After 30+years, I have had enough. You can't go to a major sports website without a new negative article about the team. They might win some more games this year, but it doesn't change anything. Rivera isn't a good coach, Rivera isn't a good GM, Wentz is not a good QB, and the team is owned by the worst owner in all pro sports.

 

[Coily1]

You are correct, it's an old boys club for sure. I believe the ring leaders are Jones, Kraft, and Kronkie. I believe they let Snyder butt his way into the clubhouse and they tolerate him. Snyder probably knows too much, so they keep him around. I am not a conspiracy theorist but what Snyder allowed to happen and probably did makes Sarver look like a choir boy. That being said, yes, I believe there is shady stuff going on in the league OR has gone on. I believe the Redskins simply allowed it to go on too long, whereas other teams toned it down or knocked it off much earlier. Who knows?

It's not as though the Redskins/Commanders were the only previous organization to not employ a woman. It would take a major turnover in ownership across the league with more, uh, socially conscious owners to get to a 3/4ths vote necessary to oust someone like Snyder. Maybe the other teams are better at managing toxic leadership like Washington's, I don't know.

I wholeheartedly believe the Gruden email leaks were ordered by Snyder to get at Bruce Allen. I also believe he has connections to make things "disappear". I highly doubt everyone that Snyder fired had simply gone rogue and were doing these things in the dark. I am guessing Snyder testified to just that. He probably pointed to the fact that he hired Rivera to clean everything up and that he he ditched the racist nickname and logo to build a better "tomorrow" for the fans. I am also betting he said "I don't know" or "I don't remember" about a million times during that 11-hour testimony.

That whole testimony thing was a sham. He "voluntarily" testified, per lawyer's advice, so that he didn't have to go under oath or get fact-checked like a real witness. Snyder's a true jerk who rarely listens to anyone. But he hires incompetent boobs like Vinny Cerrato to do that dirty work, so there are leaks and capability gaps and truly embarrassing gaffes.

With respect to the fans, most of the fans on the Commanders board are great people. The mod over there is fantastic and a solid person. There is one poster who literally makes no sense with his nonsense, but most are great to speak with. That being said, there does appear to be a tremendous amount of hope and optimism for the team. Again, I think desperation makes fans do weird things. I was against hiring Rivera from the get-go because the game has passed him by and he has zero front office experience. I believe desperate fans don't care and will believe in anything at this point. You simply cannot ignore what is going on from the business side and ownership side unless you intentionally turn a blind eye. Rivera isn't going to save the franchise and the fans know that.

Commanders fans always have optimism. Until they cease being Commanders fans. I just doubt that team is adding many new fans. There's nothing wrong with being a loyal fan to an unsuccessful team. I've been a Capitals fan for ~35 years, and they only managed to be dominant team in the last 10 years or so, with the first championship in 2018. Commanders fans watching the descent into being another cursed franchise like Cleveland or Detroit must be greatly saddening.

I am actually in the process of disassociating myself from the team. After 30+years, I have had enough. You can't go to a major sports website without a new negative article about the team. They might win some more games this year, but it doesn't change anything. Rivera isn't a good coach, Rivera isn't a good GM, Wentz is not a good QB, and the team is owned by the worst owner in all pro sports.

This sounds familiar. I grew up in the Washington area and was a fan of two NFL teams. The Redskins truly were an institution, in ways that few pro sports teams in the country are. After about 10-12 years of Snyder owning the team, I reached a point where watching the players mailing it in, was too painful, so I said screw it. It took a couple of years to sever all emotion about the team, its record and how badly the front office is run, but now it's a great relief. I can watch the circus continue with bemusement, and no embarrassment about it. Rivera and Wentz are merely the latest symptoms of Snyder's tenure of mediocrity; it may as well be Spurrier / Wuerffel or Zorn / Campbell.

 

[duke1861]

It's not as though the Redskins/Commanders were the only previous organization to not employ a woman. It would take a major turnover in ownership across the league with more, uh, socially conscious owners to get to a 3/4ths vote necessary to oust someone like Snyder. Maybe the other teams are better at managing toxic leadership like Washington's, I don't know.

That whole testimony thing was a sham. He "voluntarily" testified, per lawyer's advice, so that he didn't have to go under oath or get fact-checked like a real witness. Snyder's a true jerk who rarely listens to anyone. But he hires incompetent boobs like Vinny Cerrato to do that dirty work, so there are leaks and capability gaps and truly embarrassing gaffes.

Commanders fans always have optimism. Until they cease being Commanders fans. I just doubt that team is adding many new fans. There's nothing wrong with being a loyal fan to an unsuccessful team. I've been a Capitals fan for ~35 years, and they only managed to be dominant team in the last 10 years or so, with the first championship in 2018. Commanders fans watching the descent into being another cursed franchise like Cleveland or Detroit must be greatly saddening.

This sounds familiar. I grew up in the Washington area and was a fan of two NFL teams. The Redskins truly were an institution, in ways that few pro sports teams in the country are. After about 10-12 years of Snyder owning the team, I reached a point where watching the players mailing it in, was too painful, so I said screw it. It took a couple of years to sever all emotion about the team, its record and how badly the front office is run, but now it's a great relief. I can watch the circus continue with bemusement, and no embarrassment about it. Rivera and Wentz are merely the latest symptoms of Snyder's tenure of mediocrity; it may as well be Spurrier / Wuerffel or Zorn / Campbell.

Agree on the women aspect; especially if you consider cheerleaders "employment". The stories and testimonies are almost so over the top that they are hard to believe; however, I believe them.

The Congressional hearing was a dog and pony show for sure. At the end of the day, Congress cannot do anything to Snyder or Goodell.

Agree on your new fans comment. I think the die-hard fans are listening to pride more than reason. I think some of them are basking in the fact that the cowards are leaving. The fact no new fans are coming in is almost a badge of honor. I think arrogance is the main driver in that IF the team wins....then they will thump their chest and say "I told you so". There are some fans on the Commanders board already taking victory laps over a week 1 win over JAX. It's laughable to be honest. How can you dismiss 2 years or more of substandard results over 1 game? I don't believe in Scott Turner, Ron Rivera, and Carson Wentz. Nothing in any of their pasts indicates that I should. The fact that the champagne is popping makes me more confused than ever. If Wentz was a diamond in the rough or a secret All-Pro QB, Philly and Indy would not have gotten rid of him. Furthermore, per sources, the Commanders were the only team to call Indy to trade for him. I never got an explanation from any Commanders fan on that.

Lastly, how anyone can have faith in Rivera heading up a front office with ZERO experience is insane. When I brought up the concern, a zealot told me to have "more faith and hope". What does that mean? If the Commanders hired Bozo the Clown to be the GM, am I supposed to blindly follow? I was also told I need to "wait and see" as well. Does any of that make sense to you as an ex-Skins fan? Maybe I am wrong?

Yes, it is weird to start cutting ties but enough is enough. It will take some time, but it is the right choice. I have so many memories of the Redskins. That being said, I am leaving the Redskins, not the Commanders in a way. The question is: why should I support an owner who could not care less about me being a fan? There again, you obviously know how I feel and have been there. At some point, there are too many questions and not enough answers. This isn't a religion of course, and faith and hope are NOT realistic answers to concerns and frustration.

 

[duke1861]

It's not as though the Redskins/Commanders were the only previous organization to not employ a woman. It would take a major turnover in ownership across the league with more, uh, socially conscious owners to get to a 3/4ths vote necessary to oust someone like Snyder. Maybe the other teams are better at managing toxic leadership like Washington's, I don't know.

That whole testimony thing was a sham. He "voluntarily" testified, per lawyer's advice, so that he didn't have to go under oath or get fact-checked like a real witness. Snyder's a true jerk who rarely listens to anyone. But he hires incompetent boobs like Vinny Cerrato to do that dirty work, so there are leaks and capability gaps and truly embarrassing gaffes.

Commanders fans always have optimism. Until they cease being Commanders fans. I just doubt that team is adding many new fans. There's nothing wrong with being a loyal fan to an unsuccessful team. I've been a Capitals fan for ~35 years, and they only managed to be dominant team in the last 10 years or so, with the first championship in 2018. Commanders fans watching the descent into being another cursed franchise like Cleveland or Detroit must be greatly saddening.

This sounds familiar. I grew up in the Washington area and was a fan of two NFL teams. The Redskins truly were an institution, in ways that few pro sports teams in the country are. After about 10-12 years of Snyder owning the team, I reached a point where watching the players mailing it in, was too painful, so I said screw it. It took a couple of years to sever all emotion about the team, its record and how badly the front office is run, but now it's a great relief. I can watch the circus continue with bemusement, and no embarrassment about it. Rivera and Wentz are merely the latest symptoms of Snyder's tenure of mediocrity; it may as well be Spurrier / Wuerffel or Zorn / Campbell.

The Lions' loss apparently has rained on the Commander's parade. Rivera and his incompetence were on full display. The "yes man" coaching staff he brought with him from CAR (outside of Del Rio) continues to torpedo him. Also, his lack of direction with free agency is haunting him. He weakened both the DLine and OLine for no reason this off-season. He eliminated the DLine depth and downgraded the starting Guards. No explanation has ever been provided.

I think the fans will eventually figure out:

1. Rivera never was the answer; unless mediocrity is your goal
2. You need a competent GM to control the roster; not a coach-centric figurehead like Rivera.
3. Wentz is what he is at this point: a reckless, mentally fragile QB with a rocket arm.

At this point, I believe some of them are so desperate that they would support Santa Claus if he was hired. As you said, it is sad to see this happen to such a great fan base. While Snyder is the overall culprit here, Rivera and the circus he brought with him bear the blame for the laughable on-field product.

 

[Coily1]

The Lions' loss apparently has rained on the Commander's parade. Rivera and his incompetence were on full display. The "yes man" coaching staff he brought with him from CAR (outside of Del Rio) continues to torpedo him. Also, his lack of direction with free agency is haunting him. He weakened both the DLine and OLine for no reason this off-season. He eliminated the DLine depth and downgraded the starting Guards. No explanation has ever been provided.

I think the fans will eventually figure out:

1. Rivera never was the answer; unless mediocrity is your goal
2. You need a competent GM to control the roster; not a coach-centric figurehead like Rivera.
3. Wentz is what he is at this point: a reckless, mentally fragile QB with a rocket arm.

At this point, I believe some of them are so desperate that they would support Santa Claus if he was hired. As you said, it is sad to see this happen to such a great fan base. While Snyder is the overall culprit here, Rivera and the circus he brought with him bear the blame for the laughable on-field product.

Careful- this is the only reason. From the beginning of Snyder's ownership until the end of my fandom, I've seen Snyder employ:

1. Marty Schottenheimer - the intelligent HC who dared to have a 8-8 record in his first year and get canned for refusing to give up the duties he signed on for.
2. Steve Spurrier - the highly rated HC Ol' Ball Coach, who lost more than 60% of his games while promoting a bunch of weirdly bad Florida Gators players who had already washed out of the NFL.
3. Joe Gibbs - the most legendary HC coach in Washington history, as a retread that was undercut, handcuffed and had his legacy partially ruined by an idiot's nostalgia.
4. Jim Zorn - the poor man's OC who was elevated to HC because no one else at the time wanted the job. He was supposed to be the owner's amazing find of a diamond-in-the-rough, but was a bad joke by the end.
5. Mike Shanahan - the once-great, but washed-up HC who predictably raised the team's running game, while continuing to lose. A lot. At least his son got some good experience.
6. Jay Gruden - the less talented, brother-of-a-good HC, who managed to be both predictably mediocre and also help kill his brother's career too.

-- not to mention, Vinny Cerrato and Bruce Allen, two guys that make Scott McCloughan look like a genius by comparison. If memory serves, my observation about the Redskins players not caring anymore, came after the 2009 game, where they broke the Lions' losing streak. The Lions had lost 19 straight games and were a truly dreadful team (as they usually are), but still Washington's team couldn't care enough to even be disappointed in the loss.

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As you said, the team will never by a quality organization, let alone win championships, as long as Snyder is at the controls.

 

[duke1861]

Careful- this is the only reason. From the beginning of Snyder's ownership until the end of my fandom, I've seen Snyder employ:

1. Marty Schottenheimer - the intelligent HC who dared to have a 8-8 record in his first year and get canned for refusing to give up the duties he signed on for.
2. Steve Spurrier - the highly rated HC Ol' Ball Coach, who lost more than 60% of his games while promoting a bunch of weirdly bad Florida Gators players who had already washed out of the NFL.
3. Joe Gibbs - the most legendary HC coach in Washington history, as a retread that was undercut, handcuffed and had his legacy partially ruined by an idiot's nostalgia.
4. Jim Zorn - the poor man's OC who was elevated to HC because no one else at the time wanted the job. He was supposed to be the owner's amazing find of a diamond-in-the-rough, but was a bad joke by the end.
5. Mike Shanahan - the once-great, but washed-up HC who predictably raised the team's running game, while continuing to lose. A lot. At least his son got some good experience.
6. Jay Gruden - the less talented, brother-of-a-good HC, who managed to be both predictably mediocre and also help kill his brother's career too.

-- not to mention, Vinny Cerrato and Bruce Allen, two guys that make Scott McCloughan look like a genius by comparison. If memory serves, my observation about the Redskins players not caring anymore, came after the 2009 game, where they broke the Lions' losing streak. The Lions had lost 19 straight games and were a truly dreadful team (as they usually are), but still Washington's team couldn't care enough to even be disappointed in the loss.

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As you said, the team will never by a quality organization, let alone win championships, as long as Snyder is at the controls.

I do see your point. At this point, I am not sure why fans continue to attend games at all. They are dead last in the NFL, but I think the fans have literally thrown in the towel and view it as a family outing or something. Again, common sense and logic are NOT a priority for some of the fans. The Commanders message board will prove that. As stated, most posters are GREAT folks; however, there are 1 or 2 who are past help and are beyond help at this point.

That being said, refusing to see Rivera's numerous mistakes and claiming Wentz is the best QB since Dan Marino doesn't help the situation. Snyder hiring Rivera to be the GM/HC was always a mistake. I said that 2 years ago and was basically run off the message board. It literally made no sense to me to have a coach with ZERO front office experience be in charge of free agency and the draft. Back to back 7-10 seasons prove my point. The 2022 team appears lost as well.

 

[Manster7588]