Comedy Kraken Jokes in Seattle

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Honestly though, the entire city of Seattle has been tripping over theirselves with the whole arena situation and it reeks of a city that's not serious enough when it comes to getting a team - if they really wanted to get into this business they would have made a better effort to sort out the arena situation - the whole stance of wanting an NBA team first hurt them too because that makes them seem as if they don't really want the NHL as much as they do an NBA team

Seattle has had numerous years to step up to the plate and they still can't figure out an arena deal - it's too bad because they are probably the most logical city to get an NHL team when you consider evening up the conferences at 16 and how the close proximity to Vancouver helps and the fact that they have a good following with the T-Birds

I don't blame Seattle for taking their time - why rush these decisions and wind up with an arena in an awful place that is doomed from the get-go? Do you expect people to not learn from Glendale? And of course they want an NBA team over the NHL. Not only did they lose theirs, but an American city that prefers NHL over NBA is pretty hard to find to begin with. Maybe Minneapolis?

I think the league is mad because it appears the Seattle people may just be waiting for the Coyotes to finally be done with Glendale and they can then buy them for dirt cheap and pay a far smaller relocation fee than Bettman seems to be dreaming about for the expansion fee.

Quebec was probably in the same boat but the Florida ownership group seems intent on losing as much money as possible before seeking relocation and the Islanders decided to start being relevant again so Quebecor were left with a giant arena with no tenant therefore forcing their hand.

Anyway, this was all handled very poorly by the NHL and Bettman. He should've given teams months to get their ducks in a row and judge whether or not it was viable to bid for an NHL team. He shouldn't have come out and said he wants half a billion for an expansion team. He sure as shit shouldn't have come out and chastised potential owners. He shouldn't have done this when the future of one of his teams is in very serious doubt in its current location, making bidding on an expansion team seem foolish when there's a team that has already done all the hard work of building a franchise structure (farm teams, scouting, middle management etc.) that could be available for relocation in a matter of months, etc.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Anyway, this was all handled very poorly by the NHL and Bettman. He should've given teams months to get their ducks in a row and judge whether or not it was viable to bid for an NHL team. He shouldn't have come out and said he wants half a billion for an expansion team. He sure as shit shouldn't have come out and chastised potential owners. He shouldn't have done this when the future of one of his teams is in very serious doubt in its current location, making bidding on an expansion team seem foolish when there's a team that has already done all the hard work of building a franchise structure (farm teams, scouting, middle management etc.) that could be available for relocation in a matter of months, etc.

That's the exact reason that I think relocation is a dumb idea in the first place.

The Coyotes could be generously described as on life support. Florida is struggling, and there's a few others out there, that - if we're being honest - would be in the relocation discussion too if it weren't for their history and/or recent success.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

That's the exact reason that I think relocation is a dumb idea in the first place.

The Coyotes could be generously described as on life support. Florida is struggling, and there's a few others out there, that - if we're being honest - would be in the relocation discussion too if it weren't for their history and/or recent success.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea how Anaheim is making money.

 

[davnlaguna]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have no idea how Anaheim is making money.

They don't
They lose about 3.7 a year per Forbes

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

They don't
They lose about 3.7 a year per Forbes

Well there ya go.

Literally surviving on revenue sharing. This is the "healthy league" Bettman has created.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I think the league is mad because it appears the Seattle people may just be waiting for the Coyotes to finally be done with Glendale and they can then buy them for dirt cheap and pay a far smaller relocation fee than Bettman seems to be dreaming about for the expansion fee.

THIS!

its been reported bettman sent out 16 expansion aplication packages to groups around North America (3 different groups in seattle btw)

He got 2 completed responses with deposits ... 2 !!!

thats saying something

QC and Vegas are the only ones willing/desperate/stupid enough to pay FULL PRICE for an expansion team

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

THIS!

its been reported bettman sent out 16 expansion aplication packages to groups around North America (3 different groups in seattle btw)

He got 2 completed responses with deposits ... 2 !!!

thats saying something

QC and Vegas are the only ones willing/desperate/stupid enough to pay FULL PRICE for an expansion team

Yeah I would love to know who the 16 groups were.

/I bet he sent one to Balsillie just to fuck with him.

 

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Lest we forget, the Coyotes almost moved to Seattle a couple of years ago...

The current uncertainties of the arena situation and substandard nature of Key Arena as a potential temporary home reportedly weren’t stopping the league from allowing the Coyotes to relocate to Seattle in 2013. Had the Glendale City Council not approved a lease agreement at the 11th hour by a 4-3 vote, moving trucks were reportedly at the ready to relocate the team to Seattle.

“Most people don’t realize how close we were to actually getting an NHL team,” said former Seattle mayor Mike McGinn. “(We) had the authority to accommodate them at KeyArena without having to get approval from the city council. And we were prepared to do so.” (King 5.com)

NHL to Seattle: If You Build It, We Will (Probably) Come The Hockey Writers

 

[davnlaguna]

I think the other groups looked at Vegas and Quebec and thought" Why giveGary 2 mil to just be third" by taking the packets they were announcing they would be willing to take a relocation team.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Assuming both cities get franchises and LV will be in the Pacific while QC will be in the Atlantic who's moving back to the Central Division?, Detroit or Columbus? My money's on Columbus given that Illitch will probably send a hit squad to Bettman's office if he even mentions moving his team back west.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Assuming both cities get franchises and LV will be in the Pacific while QC will be in the Atlantic who's moving back to the Central Division?, Detroit or Columbus? My money's on Columbus given that Illitch will probably send a hit squad to Bettman's office if he even mentions moving his team back west.

Considering the Blue Jackets are likely on the rise, I'd prefer they head out West, sorry 43.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

Assuming both cities get franchises and LV will be in the Pacific while QC will be in the Atlantic who's moving back to the Central Division?, Detroit or Columbus? My money's on Columbus given that Illitch will probably send a hit squad to Bettman's office if he even mentions moving his team back west.

I'd vote for Detroit for two reasons:
a) They're technically further west than Columbus
b) Detroit is one of the most successful franchises in the league - both on the ice and monetarily - and did most of that while in the western conference. Columbus is still a developing franchise and would likely take a bigger hit from moving back west and having a good chunk of their games be in different time zones.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I'd vote for Detroit for two reasons:
a) They're technically further west than Columbus
b) Detroit is one of the most successful franchises in the league - both on the ice and monetarily - and did most of that while in the western conference. Columbus is still a developing franchise and would likely take a bigger hit from moving back west and having a good chunk of their games be in different time zones.

I only assume Columbus because given the amount of money local TV contracts are worth today, and given the vast gulf in market size between Columbus and Detroit, it just makes more sense financially to have Detroit in the east. Detroit also waited patiently to be moved east for years and given the clout the Illitch's have in the league I'm sure they'll have many sympathetic owners' ears when the debate does begin.

Also, what Nasty said. I am far less fearful of the Red Wings in the next decade than I am the Jackets.

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

I only assume Columbus because given the amount of money local TV contracts are worth today, and given the vast gulf in market size between Columbus and Detroit, it just makes more sense financially to have Detroit in the east. Detroit also waited patiently to be moved east for years and given the clout the Illitch's have in the league I'm sure they'll have many sympathetic owners' ears when the debate does begin.

Also, what Nasty said. I am far less fearful of the Red Wings in the next decade than I am the Jackets.

I definitely don't dispute the point about Illitch having a lot of pull or the Jackets looking to be the scarier team in the near future.

But the point about market size and such I look at differently. The way I see it, that's a good reason to move Detroit west instead. Although in terms of real dollars Detroit might have more to lose, I think Columbus would lose more in terms of % than Detroit would. Although Detroit's real dollars might be more beneficial to the league short term, I think they've got more to gain long term by giving Columbus every opportunity to continue developing and growing.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I definitely don't dispute the point about Illitch having a lot of pull or the Jackets looking to be the scarier team in the near future.

But the point about market size and such I look at differently. The way I see it, that's a good reason to move Detroit west instead. Although in terms of real dollars Detroit might have more to lose, I think Columbus would lose more in terms of % than Detroit would. Although Detroit's real dollars might be more beneficial to the league short term, I think they've got more to gain long term by giving Columbus every opportunity to continue developing and growing.

They'll still never generate the HRR that Detroit does. Detroit being in a better position to maximize their revenue works in favour of both the owners and players.

I just see no way Detroit ever plays in the Western Conference again. It would be like asking the Leafs to go back to the West at this point.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Should be said that playing in the West today isn't like it was a few years ago. The new division setup ensures far more in-time zone or 1 time zone away road games than it used to.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Assuming both cities get franchises and LV will be in the Pacific while QC will be in the Atlantic who's moving back to the Central Division?, Detroit or Columbus? My money's on Columbus given that Illitch will probably send a hit squad to Bettman's office if he even mentions moving his team back west.

panthers relocating to Seattle would solve alot of issues but they kinda need to put a shovel in the ground like yesterday

 

[Cobiemonster]

Assuming both cities get franchises and LV will be in the Pacific while QC will be in the Atlantic who's moving back to the Central Division?, Detroit or Columbus? My money's on Columbus given that Illitch will probably send a hit squad to Bettman's office if he even mentions moving his team back west.

Detroit isn't moving and I don't think Columbus would move either - more than likely, if Quebec is an expansion team, they'd have to settle for going to the West

 

[Comeds]

Detroit isn't moving and I don't think Columbus would move either - more than likely, if Quebec is an expansion team, they'd have to settle for going to the West

That would be awful and a terrible idea. So yeah, you're probably right.

 

[forty_three]

Assuming both cities get franchises and LV will be in the Pacific while QC will be in the Atlantic who's moving back to the Central Division?, Detroit or Columbus? My money's on Columbus given that Illitch will probably send a hit squad to Bettman's office if he even mentions moving his team back west.

The same hit squad he sent to get moved East in the first place? First plan had only Cbus moving until Mikey threw a fit.

Considering the Blue Jackets are likely on the rise, I'd prefer they head out West, sorry 43.

I'd vote for Detroit for two reasons:
a) They're technically further west than Columbus
b) Detroit is one of the most successful franchises in the league - both on the ice and monetarily - and did most of that while in the western conference. Columbus is still a developing franchise and would likely take a bigger hit from moving back west and having a good chunk of their games be in different time zones.

Gold star for you.

Detroit isn't moving and I don't think Columbus would move either - more than likely, if Quebec is an expansion team, they'd have to settle for going to the West

Which is the only move that makes less sense than Tampa and Miami in a division with Montreal, Toronto and Buffalo...

All told, I prefer to stay in the East. But I won't care if they go West, because the team is being built to compete anywhere. I prefer East teams because I have friends and family in DC, Philly and Ottawa. I prefer playing against them. But having Chicago as a main rival instead of Pittsburgh could have it's excitement. Especially with the recent trade.