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deanpet21

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Dean, its not an issue of if we had time still after a 1st down to score a TD. Its all about taking the shot when you have them unsure. You keep missing this basic point. My god. We only gave them 55 seconds left. We should have been able to stop them.

55 seconds left with two timeouts is a lot of time. Its a high risk shot. Im not blaming Cousins at all. The throw was perfect. Gruden comes out of that bullshit timeout saying I want to score now. The point is not to give the ball back to the Chiefs with time left.
 

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The clock management was fine. You score a TD when you can. You don't take a lesser play because of time management when the homerun is available on the first pitch.

Plus the timeout after the CT run was baffling to me. You needed to kill time at that point in case you didn't get it on 3rd down. that was a blunder.
 

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55 seconds left with two timeouts is a lot of time. Its a high risk shot. Im not blaming Cousins at all. The throw was perfect. Gruden comes out of that bullshit timeout saying I want to score now. The point is not to give the ball back to the Chiefs with time left.
No. The point is to score as many points as you can. 55 seconds is not a lot of time, I dont care how many time outs you have.. They had 2 big plays that ate up chunks of yds and that should have not happened. You don't coach to lose, you coach to win. That is what Gruden did.
 

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No. The point is to score as many points as you can. 55 seconds is not a lot of time, I dont care how many time outs you have.. They had 2 big plays that ate up chunks of yds and that should have not happened. You don't coach to lose, you coach to win. That is what Gruden did.

timeouts don't matter? lol. Not coaching to lose. Like I said 100 times we still had a shot at the endzone if we covert a short pass on 3rd and 2. We took a huge risk and left too much time on the clock b/c of the time out after the CT play and the incomplete pass on 3rd down. Result was Chiefs had time to setup a FG with 4sec left. Even if Docs caught it the game wasn't over.

Do you really thinK the timeout after the CT run was good clock mgt? The whole reason why he ran there was to burn clock. Then he calls timeout after the run. what!!! IF that was the case why not just pass on 2nd down? I didn't like the clock mgt at all.
 

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timeouts don't matter? lol. Not coaching to lose. Like I said 100 times we still had a shot at the endzone if we covert a short pass on 3rd and 2. We took a huge risk and left too much time on the clock b/c of the time out after the CT play and the incomplete pass on 3rd down. Result was Chiefs had time to setup a FG with 4sec left. Even if Docs caught it the game wasn't over.

Do you really thinK the timeout after the CT run was good clock mgt? The whole reason why he ran there was to burn clock. Then he calls timeout after the run. what!!! IF that was the case why not just pass on 2nd down? I didn't like the clock mgt at all.



IM going to play devils advocate here Dean.

Say we got the first down, and the ball is on oh the nine yard line. Its 1st and goal from the nine. while we have used time, we have given the Chiefs a shorter field to defend. Four more plays, four more chances for a fumble, a pick or some other soul crushing play we all dread. What would the line of thinking have been if we got the first, but the game ended on a pick??

I will let you marinate on that one for a moment. BUt Im pretty sure I know where blame would lay in that case no matter how it got to that point.
 

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IM going to play devils advocate here Dean.

Say we got the first down, and the ball is on oh the nine yard line. Its 1st and goal from the nine. while we have used time, we have given the Chiefs a shorter field to defend. Four more plays, four more chances for a fumble, a pick or some other soul crushing play we all dread. What would the line of thinking have been if we got the first, but the game ended on a pick??

I will let you marinate on that one for a moment. BUt Im pretty sure I know where blame would lay in that case no matter how it got to that point.

Better chance to score if we are at the 9 with timeouts left and 30 seconds to play. If we don't score we kick the chip shot FG and the game goes into OT. Of course anything can happen, I just did not want to give the Chiefs the ball back in regulation.
 

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IM going to play devils advocate here Dean.

Say we got the first down, and the ball is on oh the nine yard line. Its 1st and goal from the nine. while we have used time, we have given the Chiefs a shorter field to defend. Four more plays, four more chances for a fumble, a pick or some other soul crushing play we all dread. What would the line of thinking have been if we got the first, but the game ended on a pick??

I will let you marinate on that one for a moment. BUt Im pretty sure I know where blame would lay in that case no matter how it got to that point.

Explain the timeout after the Ct run? what was that about?
 

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Explain the timeout after the Ct run? what was that about?


That was about us being in a poor play and not having enough time on the play clock to check out of it. It happens, and it was probably the right move if Kirk saw something that was going to lead to a negative yardage or possibly turn over play. Better to take the time out than to force a bad play and pay for it that way.
 

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That was about us being in a poor play and not having enough time on the play clock to check out of it. It happens, and it was probably the right move if Kirk saw something that was going to lead to a negative yardage or possibly turn over play. Better to take the time out than to force a bad play and pay for it that way.

True, but Gruden called the TO not KC. He was asked about this in the press conference. His answer was he was worried about the time and wanted to score. That response didn't make sense to me.
 

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True, but Gruden called the TO not KC. He was asked about this in the press conference. His answer was he was worried about the time and wanted to score. That response didn't make sense to me.


What do you expect him to say?? I called a shit show play that would likely leave my QB hanging, I recognized we were about to get screwed and saved us the embarassment
 

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What do you expect him to say?? I called a shit show play that would likely leave my QB hanging, I recognized we were about to get screwed and saved us the embarassment

oh cmom man. that TO was crazy at that point in the game. I thought kansas city called TO in case we failed on 3rd down. IMO the play they had wasn't a shot in the endzone. He wanted to score right away so he changed the play to go to the endzone. IMO the CT run play was to keep the clock moving. Regardless of result. The pressure was on the Chiefs to call timeout or not. That was 30 seconds right there.
 

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Some people? Like whom, may I ask? Our resident (seems to be) Steelers self proclaimed expert? Oh, that's right. He did predict 3 wins for us. :flame:

In fairness...I had us in that range. 4 wins......................up to 12.
 

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In fairness...I had us in that range. 4 wins......................up to 12.


Yea,, but as I have said before... you live here. YOu can pick on the little brother (aka The redskins). So while we disagree, I know your heart is in the right place.. most of the times.

But when people not of the family come in calling for 3 win or worse seasons, we are honor bound to tell then politely fuck off. :suds:
 

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timeouts don't matter? lol. Not coaching to lose. Like I said 100 times we still had a shot at the endzone if we covert a short pass on 3rd and 2. We took a huge risk and left too much time on the clock b/c of the time out after the CT play and the incomplete pass on 3rd down. Result was Chiefs had time to setup a FG with 4sec left. Even if Docs caught it the game wasn't over.

Do you really thinK the timeout after the CT run was good clock mgt? The whole reason why he ran there was to burn clock. Then he calls timeout after the run. what!!! IF that was the case why not just pass on 2nd down? I didn't like the clock mgt at all.
Dean, do your favorite thing. I challenge you to find one qualified football mind that has an issue with that call and agrees with you (not some poster on this site or a blogger who has never played the game). If you do, I will reconsider my position.
 

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Better chance to score if we are at the 9 with timeouts left and 30 seconds to play. If we don't score we kick the chip shot FG and the game goes into OT. Of course anything can happen, I just did not want to give the Chiefs the ball back in regulation.

Scoring from the 9 is harder for this team than from the 39
 

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I disagree. With 2 timeouts left and only 3rd and 2. No need for the homerun. Like I said before even if he makes the catch the game still isn't over. Gruden said in his PC that he wanted to score coming out of the timeout. Zi don't get that. It was great throw but Docs didn't finish. Wasn't expecting that at all.

Just because you don't agree, doesn't make you right.

Let's play this your way. We go for a first down and fail to get it, then kick a FG, leaving them about a minute to get into field position for a game winning FG, which they would have gotten anyways. Only difference is we don't have a chance to win.

We have a better chance to get a TD when the other team isn't expecting a play.


Plus the timeout after the CT run was baffling to me. You needed to kill time at that point in case you didn't get it on 3rd down. that was a blunder.

It isn't a blunder. If you burn time without the points, you limit yourself. If you are burning time without a lead, you are playing for a tie.
 

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TOP 5 GRADES:
TE Vernon Davis, 88.6 overall grade

QB Kirk Cousins, 87.2 overall grade

CB Quinton Dunbar, 86.4 overall grade

DI Matt Ioannidis, 84.9 overall grade

DI Jonathan Allen, 82.9 overall grade

PERFORMANCES OF NOTE:
QB KIRK COUSINS, 87.2 OVERALL GRADE

It was a slow start for Cousins, even with the success of the opening drive. He under-threw the touchdown to Terrelle Pryor, and was lucky that Pryor was able to get away with that slight push to prevent the throw from being defensed. But after that Cousins was fantastic. He looked deep (20-plus yards in air) five times and completed three of them for 133 yards and the touchdown. And he should have got a completion and touchdown on a perfectly thrown strike to Josh Doctson late in the game as well. Perhaps most impressively, Cousins had a perfect passer rating of 158.3 when he was faced with a blitz.

TE VERNON DAVIS, 88.6 OVERALL GRADE
Even at the age of 33, Davis is still a tough cover for any linebacker. He proved that when the Chiefs inexplicably asked Justin Houston to cover him one-on-one, which predictably ended with a massive gain of 69 yards. But Davis added another catch for 20 yards as well and was actually solid when run blocking, something he has struggled with in the past. Davis finished with an impressive 85.6 run-blocking grade.

CB QUINTON DUNBAR, 86.4 OVERALL GRADE
The third-year cornerback was called into duty as the injuries piled up in the secondary. He performed admirably with a coverage grade of 86.3, he was targeted five times, only surrendering three catches for 14 yards. Dunbar will likely be tasked with more playing time in the coming weeks, as it was reported in game that CB Josh Norman could miss time.

DI MATT IOANNIDIS, 84.9 OVERALL GRADE
Ioannidis led the Redskins defense with 6 pressures on a night where they accumulated many against Kansas City. That gives Ioannidis 15 total pressures in his last three games. Ioannidis ended the game with a pass-rush productivity (PRP) of 17.0, which puts him among the elite at his defensive end position and only behind Aaron Donald’s 19.9 this week.

 

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Yea,, but as I have said before... you live here. YOu can pick on the little brother (aka The redskins). So while we disagree, I know your heart is in the right place.. most of the times.

But when people not of the family come in calling for 3 win or worse seasons, we are honor bound to tell then politely fuck off. :suds:

He doesn't like to be called names. he's smarter than you, knows more about the redskins than you, knows more about our opponents than you, and has that "dean gene" that he's never wrong and everyone else is.
 

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He doesn't like to be called names. he's smarter than you, knows more about the redskins than you, knows more about our opponents than you, and has that "dean gene" that he's never wrong and everyone else is.
Yup. I also love how when you prove him wrong using his own beloved stats, he just changes the narrative. Sound familiar? My guess is the Steelers board ran him out of there and he is looking for a place to land.
 
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