Carson Wentz:Locker Room Problem???

[PhoenixEagles1]

Well let’s just give one example. The argument was centers don’t get drafted in the first round so they aren’t important, we proved that wrong, so then it was too 15, then we proved that wrong so now we’re at top 14.

How did you prove it wrong? I missed that one. I said 3 got drafted in the first over the last 5 years when I made that post last year. You didn’t prove it wrong. I said it in my original post. And yes, you proved top 15 wrong... one or two Centers in 750 picks aka as .03

Interested to see if you rip, constantly tag, call them idiot trolls the two new people in this thread that agree with me?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

There’s a definite deserving person here and u know it

I deserve to be trolled because I think every position is important but there is a hierarchy of importance in building a team and Center isn’t near the top like QB, DE, LT, CB1 and WR1? Makes sense dude.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Centers are hugely important to a teams success. First, there just aren’t many of them around and even fewer on a team. When you do find a really good one you draft them high and pay them well. THAT right there shows how important they are!!! If you follow PE1s logic you should NEVER draft one high or pay them well because “it’s easy”. Nonsense.

Except that data shows they are not drafted high (not higher than guards) at all. They - comparatively - are not paid as high as you would expect either (much closer to average LT money than they are now). The best centers only make average LT money! That would simply not be happening if centers were considered as important as you seem to claim they are.

Similarly, you would also expect centers to have been drafted higher overall. More in the first round, and more of them high(er) in the first round, than actually have been. They pretty much consistently LT's and guards have been picked above them.

There are - relatively - just as many centers as there are for any other position on any team, considering they are drafted from NCAA teams, which field these individuals in the same ration for the 1st and 2nd stringers (the only ones likely to be drafted anyway).



Based on draft position, pay, etc. then they at best - and on average - are considered at best equal to the 2nd WR, 2nd CB, RT, G, DE etc. on the team.

I agree you should not underestimate the importance of C, but you seem to do almost the opposite of what PE is doing:

- Guards are expected to pull. Centers comparatively rarely are (at least based on how writers, announcers etc. are talking about Kelce).

- Centers do not necessarily make the line calls, that all depends on what the team decides. It can (and is, apparently) also be done by for instance QB's and Guards.

- Guards are also expected to pick up stunts, adapt to slides, and to aid the C whenever possible.

Is your center less important than your 4th WR, or so? No.

Looking at what teams seem to spend money on - based on 22 starters - where centers are drafted, what they get paid. etc. then yeah, they might be considered among the less important positions on the team. But again, the evidence is ambiguous.

When looking at pay per team, the center averages the 14,4th highest paid position. However, there are extremes, 2nd (San Francisco) to 39 (NYG). Even the link between high pay and high quality O-line play is somewhat ambiguous. The top 10-graded O-lines (per Football Outsiders) have the center paid as 12,7th highest paid position. Again, with extremes: 6th highest paid on the team (TB and NO, ranked 9th and 8th) to 37th highest (Baltimore, ranked 10). The best O-line (Pitt) had C ranked as 7th, Phi (4th ranked) as 13th, NE (5th ranked) as 17th.

NFL Rankings

2018 NFL Offensive Line Rankings: All 32 teams' units after Week 17 | NFL Analysis | Pro Football Focus

Personally, I think it is easier to work around a so-so center with one or both of the guards, than to work around so-so guards with your center.[/QUOTE]
Great read I think? I fell asleep after the 3rd paragraph

 

[SteelersPride]

How did you prove it wrong? I missed that one. I said 3 got drafted in the first over the last 5 years when I made that post last year. You didn’t prove it wrong. I said it in my original post. And yes, you proved top 15 wrong... one or two Centers in 750 picks aka as .03

Interested to see if you rip, constantly tag, call them idiot trolls the two new people in this thread that agree with me?

You’ve changed ur statements so mannntimes it’s not even worth it

 

[SteelersPride]

I deserve to be trolled because I think every position is important but there is a hierarchy of importance in building a team and Center isn’t near the top like QB, DE, LT, CB1 and WR1? Makes sense dude.

Refer to the positional thread or this one, few are agreeing with u

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

You’ve changed ur statements so mannntimes it’s not even worth it

I have but it was such a tiny tiny goal post move it’s not even worth mentioning. Over 750 picks you found I was off on 1 of 750

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Refer to the positional thread or this one, few are agreeing with u

What? I just looked over it and all I saw was you, Handi and DoubleDown disagreeing with me.
#FailedThread

 

[NWPATSFAN]

If Cancer Wince hadn't already been a locker room problem just wait till he wants negotiate his contract this season. Considering the Feables FO just offered Foles $20M.
Dis gonna ged goud

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Tackles and Guards are more important to keep a QB standing then a C. You can’t be that dumb

Your C calls the line audible to your T and G. Hence keeping Wentz standing.

 

[Southieinnc]

Telling me what Centers do doesn’t move them up the hierarchy of importance my man.

Centers calling the blocking schemes makes them important.

Patriots: Win upfront
"[Center David] Andrews and Shaq Mason at guard have got to have great days against Aaron Donald and [Ndamukong] Suh....."


Patriots vs Rams: Keys to Super Bowl LIII according to Jeff Reinebold

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Your C calls the line audible to your T and G. Hence keeping Wentz standing.

Yeah, I’d say that has importance. No doubt. But over all that’s a pretty fucking easy skill. It doesn’t take a 1 in a million type person to handle that though. Do Centers week after week go up against 6’5 270 pound guys who run 4.6 forties? No?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Centers calling the blocking schemes makes them important.

Patriots: Win upfront
"[Center David] Andrews and Shaq Mason at guard have got to have great days against Aaron Donald and [Ndamukong] Suh....."


Patriots vs Rams: Keys to Super Bowl LIII according to Jeff Reinebold

Yep. Donald is the DPOY.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Yeah, I’d say that has importance. No doubt. But over all that’s a pretty fucking easy skill. It doesn’t take a 1 in a million type person to handle that though. Do Centers week after week go up against 6’5 270 pound guys who run 4.6 forties? No?

These guys have more skills than you. You have zero respect for the position and the player that plays the position.

 

[SteelersPride]

What? I just looked over it and all I saw was you, Handi and DoubleDown disagreeing with me.
#FailedThread

Yeah and twenty others nice try. Go debate atlsteeler he makes a nice post

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Yeah and twenty others nice try. Go debate atlsteeler he makes a nice post

Zero other dudes. Can’t you just be honest.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

These guys have more skills than you. You have zero respect for the position and the player that plays the position.

Of course they have more athletic talent than I do. Does that make it more important then other positions?
No.
I have respect for the position. The Eagles have an All Pro Center and he is very special because he is one of the few athletic Centers who can get down field and block.
Does that mean me or any GM would take Jason Kelce over other all pros at different positions? Absolutely fucking not. Do you think I’d rather have an all pro Center like Kelce over more important positions like Khalil Mack, Pat Mahomes, Tyron Smith, Julio Jones, Aaron Donald, Quenton Nelson (Guard), Saquon Barkley, Marshon Lattimore?
Not a chance in hell.

 

[Southieinnc]

What? I just looked over it and all I saw was you, Handi and DoubleDown disagreeing with me.
#FailedThread

Nobody agrees with you.....

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Nobody agrees with you.....

Not true at all. Go look at the original thread almost everyone has Centers waaaaay down their list.
You can have Jason Kelce, Julio Jones, Aaron Donald, Pat Mahomes or Khalil Mack. All 1st team all pro players and you’re telling me you’d take Jason Kelce cause Centers are as important as the positions those guys play. Suuuuure

 

[Southieinnc]

Not true at all. Go look at the original thread almost everyone has Centers waaaaay down their list.
You can have Jason Kelce, Julio Jones, Aaron Donald, Pat Mahomes or Khalil Mack. All 1st team all pro players and you’re telling me you’d take Jason Kelce cause Centers are as important as the positions those guys play. Suuuuure

He is one of the most important players on the O-line.....

 

[SteelersPride]

Zero other dudes. Can’t you just be honest.

yeah i quoted them and tagged you. if you can read. Again im done with you.
you have changed your story so many times. You flat out cant read, and flat out ignore and lie about shit. its not even worth it anymore