Caps promote Brian Maclellan to GM and name Barry Trotz as coach

[Cobiemonster]

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Brad Treliving's first heist

 

[pixburgher66]

you think Ted is controlling the management in the sense of actual player movement? this almost seems like a puppet control move

This is what I'm worried about in Pittsburgh. Except it's not just one owner, it's two...and the CEO/Pres.

 

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This is what I'm worried about in Pittsburgh. Except it's not just one owner, it's two...and the CEO/Pres.

was bylsma actually terminated or is he still retained?

 

[pixburgher66]

Also: I think Trotz has a lot to prove. I think he's an incredible coach, but he's been in the same place for so very long, always in the West, never with much star power. Heck, outside of Shea Weber there's not a guy I can think of who was beyond 'star' and into 'superstar'. I'm very intrigued to see how he's able to handle a guy like OV. I don't think that OV is a coach killer in that he's petulant and hard to work with, but I think he's an indirect coach killer in that he's tough to properly utilize in a team wide scheme. Look at the situation with Boudreau. They played to his strengths (wide open, high speed, etc.) and struggled, so they shifted ideology so that it didn't play to his strengths, and they still were beat. I think having some consistency will do them good, and I think Trotz will bring that. I'm pissed as a Pens fan because they're over here sitting on their ass about the coaching situation while a great option like Trotz is taken by a division rival.

 

[pixburgher66]

was bylsma actually terminated or is he still retained?

Still retained. I'm speaking more to the idea of having a "yes man" as a GM when the real decisions are being made by non-hockey minds (not that Mario Lemieux isn't a hockey mind). That and keeping Blysma would be like a dead duck president at this point.

 

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Still retained. I'm speaking more to the idea of having a "yes man" as a GM when the real decisions are being made by non-hockey minds (not that Mario Lemieux isn't a hockey mind). That and keeping Blysma would be like a dead duck president at this point.

Bylsma>Trotz......theres more to Dan, and he wasnt allowed to get players

 

[pixburgher66]

Bylsma>Trotz......theres more to Dan, and he wasnt allowed to get players

I'm not sure what you have against Trotz, but I'll simply say that I disagree with your stance on the guy. How can you look at the teams that he had, and the success (limited in the postseason, yes) he had and think he's a bad coach? He's a tactician. He's good with X's and O's, and players like him too. Heck, Shea Weber was pretty bummed that he was fired.

 

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I'm not sure what you have against Trotz, but I'll simply say that I disagree with your stance on the guy. How can you look at the teams that he had, and the success (limited in the postseason, yes) he had and think he's a bad coach? He's a tactician. He's good with X's and O's, and players like him too. Heck, Shea Weber was pretty bummed that he was fired.

are you suppose to win hockey games?......Yes what has he won, he was the last most tenured coach to be fired. Xs and Os? Wheres the wins?, wheres the postseason. If there isnt any other coach out there then you have something.

If Bylsma was available would Trotz have a job?

 

[Kevin12773]

Bylsma>Trotz......theres more to Dan, and he wasnt allowed to get players

Couldn't disagree more with your opinion.

 

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I'm not sure what you have against Trotz, but I'll simply say that I disagree with your stance on the guy. How can you look at the teams that he had, and the success (limited in the postseason, yes) he had and think he's a bad coach? He's a tactician. He's good with X's and O's, and players like him too. Heck, Shea Weber was pretty bummed that he was fired.

Dont get me wrong, i dont mind your opinion because its a web of discussion for current events in the NHL, hypotheticals, player/coach movement etc and thats whats suppose to be discussed on NHL SportsHoopla.

 

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Couldn't disagree more with your opinion.

the stats are there.....its simple Dan is in the cross fire from a GMs handling of contracts. Players like Dan as to Players like trotz on their respective teams

 

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Ill back out of this thread......change is good obviously im not fitting into your conversation

 

[pixburgher66]

are you suppose to win hockey games?......Yes what has he won, he was the last most tenured coach to be fired. Xs and Os? Wheres the wins?, wheres the postseason. If there isnt any other coach out there then you have something.

If Bylsma was available would Trotz have a job?

You're entitled to that opinion, but there are plenty of good coaches that haven't won. And there are many different genre of coaches, with Bylsma and Trotz being pretty different. You are supposed to win, you're right. But there's no coach that could've taken any of Nashville's rosters and made it a legitimate contender. Now, to that last point: I firmly believe that if Bylsma had been fired, he'd be in DC in a second. However, Trotz would have a job elsewhere. I respect the heck out of Trotz. They got some rough draws in the postseason, btw. Were in the path of a few Cup winners. Consider that the biggest names in team history outside of Weber/Rinne currently are: Suter, Legwand, Erat, Timonen, J.P freaking Dumont, Jason Arnott, Steve Sullivan, Scott Walker, I suppose you can say Peter Forsberg, etc. etc. They won with scrubs. A majority of those guys would be third liners on other squads, but they were first liners in Nashville. The winning they did was because of the coaching. They were coached up, they knew their role, they did it, and it worked. Unfortunately to really win in this league you need game breakers, of which they have none, and of which the Capitals have many.

 

[mattola]

Ill back out of this thread......change is good obviously im not fitting into your conversation

going sideways out always seems funner.

 

[pixburgher66]

Ill back out of this thread......change is good obviously im not fitting into your conversation

Again, you're completely entitled to that opinion. Blysma and Trotz are different types of coach, so comparing them, in my opinion, comes with some disclaimers. If you want to bring up "winning", that's fine...but the lack of postseason success with a loaded roster is what is plaguing DB at the moment. We're going to disagree, that's fine. Please don't let that keep you from posting here. I enjoy good discussion, and that included disagreements. Heck, makes it more interesting.

 

[mattola]

 

[jstewismybastardson]

So ... Let me get this straight ... Barry trotz had more to work with personnel wise than bylsma during their respective coaching tenures????

 

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You're entitled to that opinion, but there are plenty of good coaches that haven't won. And there are many different genre of coaches, with Bylsma and Trotz being pretty different. You are supposed to win, you're right. But there's no coach that could've taken any of Nashville's rosters and made it a legitimate contender. Now, to that last point: I firmly believe that if Bylsma had been fired, he'd be in DC in a second. However, Trotz would have a job elsewhere. I respect the heck out of Trotz. They got some rough draws in the postseason, btw. Were in the path of a few Cup winners. Consider that the biggest names in team history outside of Weber/Rinne currently are: Suter, Legwand, Erat, Timonen, J.P freaking Dumont, Jason Arnott, Steve Sullivan, Scott Walker, I suppose you can say Peter Forsberg, etc. etc. They won with scrubs. A majority of those guys would be third liners on other squads, but they were first liners in Nashville. The winning they did was because of the coaching. They were coached up, they knew their role, they did it, and it worked. Unfortunately to really win in this league you need game breakers, of which they have none, and of which the Capitals have many.

draws are for all teams in the postseason if I remember a couple of 8th seeded teams went to the cup final....If Barry can turn the team (not just the postseason first round) into a contender then Ill be the first to admit Im wrong but for being a tactician, he doesnt have the wins to back up the claim. sure shea webber is going to miss him he had a free reign under trotz

 

[stealth]

So ... Let me get this straight ... Barry trotz had more to work with personnel wise than bylsma during their respective coaching tenures????

never said that. He isnt what others claim he is either

 

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people in Pitt are forgetting that