Boogaard's cause of death

[KillerVee]

People die of Oxy/alcohol combos all the time. It has to do with being an addict, not fighting in the NHL.

 

[elocomotive]

This has nothing to do with fighting in hockey or legalizing marijuana but EVERYTHING to do with someone not doing their job.

It could also be Boogard intentionally ignoring the warning or Boogard thinking just having a couple drinks couldn't be THAT bad. We'll probably never know, but sad either way.

 

[KillerVee]

That being aid, you cannot argue that medicinal marijuana as a painkiller alternative would be significantly safer that the opiate derivatives used today. Greg Giraldo, Heath ledger et al..... were all on pain meds for pain that was below what an opioid was truly necessary for, and they would not be dead today if they could use it as a legal option. I am in public health and these accidental deaths are skyrocketing. People prescribe opiates for way too much stuff.

Are you trying to tell me Greg Giraldo and Heath Ledger didn't smoke pot!?

 

[SLY]

After my surgery I just dealt with the pain... I hated the feeling of being on oxy's. I was drooling on myself, it was disgusting. Took it once, never again. I looked like a junkie.

 

[SLY]

And legalizing pot is a GREAT idea.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

This has nothing to do with fighting in hockey or legalizing marijuana but EVERYTHING to do with someone not doing their job.

I hate to sound like a prick but I'm calling a spade a spade.

I dont know boss ... by my count he was at least the 3rd "fighter" who entered the substance abuse/behavioural counselling program this season

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

Are you trying to tell me Greg Giraldo and Heath Ledger didn't smoke pot!?

Umm.....

No.....

The pot did not kill them though, the misuse of prescription pain killers did. Read the toxicology report. It is out there.

The science is rock solid on this. Opiates kill. Pot doesn't (at least as actual poisoning goes).

 

[jstewismybastardson]

People die of Oxy/alcohol combos all the time. It has to do with being an addict, not fighting in the NHL.

why have they become addicts ... The rumours around here are Rick Rypien had mental health issues partly because he was having a hard time dealing with the substance of "his job"

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

I hate that opiates cause constipation, so even when I was in the hospital with fucking "necrotizing fasciitis", yeah the flesh eating infection, I only used to morphine drip for two days before I switched over to tylenol. I hate my ass being stopped up!!!!

EDIT: Same goes for all 4 surgeries....no opiates for me....I like to poop when I need to and get it all out!!!

 

[KillerVee]

Umm.....

No.....

The pot did not kill them though, the misuse of prescription pain killers did. Read the toxicology report. It is out there.

The science is rock solid on this. Opiates kill. Pot doesn't (at least as actual poisoning goes).

But you said they would still be alive if they had been prescribed marijuana instead of opiates. My view is that they were just fucking junkies and they probably used whatever they could get their hands on, including weed. Even if they had been prescribed marijuana (which is legal in California and I am SURE at least Heath Ledger had a California home), they probably would have still been abusing the opiates.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

But you said they would still be alive if they had been prescribed marijuana instead of opiates. My view is that they were just fucking junkies and they probably used whatever they could get their hands on, including weed. Even if they had been prescribed marijuana (which is legal in California and I am SURE at least Heath Ledger had a California home), they probably would have still been abusing the opiates.

If we started using it as a true alternative, the harder prescriptions stuff would slowly ween out of the market. Ledger, i am not sure about. However, Giraldo was prescribed what he was taking for "back pain".

 

[BOSSMANPC]

That being aid, you cannot argue that medicinal marijuana as a painkiller alternative would be significantly safer that the opiate derivatives used today. Greg Giraldo, Heath ledger et al..... were all on pain meds for pain that was below what an opioid was truly necessary for, and they would not be dead today if they could use it as a legal option. I am in public health and these accidental deaths are skyrocketing. People prescribe opiates for way too much stuff.

It could also be Boogard intentionally ignoring the warning or Boogard thinking just having a couple drinks couldn't be THAT bad. We'll probably never know, but sad either way.

It matters not! Like Eloco said you still do NOT take pain med's with alcohol and like Vee said if people think legalizing MJ or banning fighting in hockey is going to stop people from doing it they're living in La la land.

Some of you remember the friend I loved and lost 10 months ago. She never played hockey she choose to get high on drugs and alcohol and it killed her. She would use anything to get high.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

For extreme cases of back (or other) pain I am not sure how much MJ would help. I have no answer for that.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

It matters not! Like Eloco said you still do NOT take pain med's with alcohol and like Vee said if people think legalizing MJ or banning fighting in hockey is going to stop people from doing it they're living in La la land.

Some of you remember the friend I loved and lost 10 months ago. She never played hockey she choose to get high on drugs and alcohol and it killed her. She would use anything to get high.

That may be the case, and I feel for your loss and it is a tragedy. I am saying that a more liberal use of the safer alternative will reduce the risk of the true accidental overdose of someone on pain meds that may forget and have a glass of wine or two. Not all who die of this combination are addicts looking for a fix.

 

[KillerVee]

If we started using it as a true alternative, the harder prescriptions stuff would slowly ween out of the market. Ledger, i am not sure about. However, Giraldo was prescribed what he was taking for "back pain".

And Giraldo was a drug addict and had already been in and out of rehab before he was prescribed anything for back pain.

 

[mattola]

actually we dont know Boogard or what he has been through or what pain he was really in. I really dont think its fair to comment on whose fault it really is. He has died. his death is senseless and someone lost a brother, son, friend and teammate. I didnt like the guy on ice but from what all I read he was a nice man off the ice. thats whats important. He tried to make a difference in the things he did outside the arena and that is sad to be taken away.

RIP bigman.

 

[elocomotive]

I looked like a junkie.

 

[Forty_Sixand2]

And Giraldo was a drug addict and had already been in and out of rehab before he was prescribed anything for back pain.

I have a friend who was very close with him and he had been clean for almost a year despite wht you may have heard in the press. Greg would have had no reason to lie to this friend and the friend had no reason to lie to me. This culture of uncontrolled (not what Boss is talking about, he is doing it the RIGHT way) use of opiate and opiate derivative painkillers is a serious public health issue.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

actually we dont know Boogard or what he has been through or what pain he was really in. I really dont think its fair to comment on whose fault it really is. He has died. his death is senseless and someone lost a brother, son, friend and teammate. I didnt like the guy on ice but from what all I read he was a nice man off the ice. thats whats important. He tried to make a difference in the things he did outside the arena and that is sad to be taken away.

RIP bigman.

This is true. So many cases are unique and sometimes doctors over prescribe meds. I agree with 46 on that point for sure.

 

[elocomotive]

It matters not! Like Eloco said you still do NOT take pain med's with alcohol and like Vee said if people think legalizing MJ or banning fighting in hockey is going to stop people from doing it they're living in La la land..

I don't think anyone thinks that. It might stop some people from ever being prescribed pain killers they might get addicted to, but I agree with your overall point. I think those things will happen in time for other reasons.

I just thought you were saying it was the doctors fault, and my only point was we have no idea, but maybe you weren't even saying that.