BINGO! Percy Harvin on the trade black

[MHSL82]

1. The Vikings would not want Alex.
2. Haralson has no trade value.
3. The Vikings would not trade Ponder.
4. I wouldn't want Ponder on the 49ers.

As far as a 3rd for Percy goes, I think that's too little. He's worth a 2nd rounder. And not the 63rd pick; more like 40-50.

Thanks.

 

[NinerSickness]

There would only be one way I'd be for trading for Percy.

1. If the Vikings would take the Niners' 3rd round pick for him.'
2. If he agreed to a contract extension in something around the 5 year, 40 million dollar range.

I don't think either one of those contingencies is realistic, so which is why I think signing Mike Wallas is a MUCH better idea.

 

[dredinis21]

Here's the thing. I don't have a problem trading our 2nd for Harvin and one of our 3rds for Odrick because both are relatively young and both fill a HUGE need on our team. That leaves us with a 1st, another 3rd, and a huge handful of picks we could conceivably trade back up for another 2nd with. Harvin, when healthy, is one of the most dynamic players in football. With our current system, he would thrive! We franchise him as some here have said and make him prove his worth. Odrick falls right into our DL rotation and would immediately be an upgrade from RJF at DE, if not the heir apparent to Justin Smith we so desperately need.

 

[numone9er]

There would only be one way I'd be for trading for Percy.

1. If the Vikings would take the Niners' 3rd round pick for him.'
2. If he agreed to a contract extension in something around the 5 year, 40 million dollar range.

I don't think either one of those contingencies is realistic, so which is why I think signing Mike Wallas is a MUCH better idea.

Percy's injury issues and his constant migraines bring down his value IMO. He can't seem to make it through a full season and he has an attitude on top of everything else.

 

[MarkOU]

I called this back in December.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/2645437-post16.html

Make it happen!

 

[mufasa76]

Please people, we can say he is injury prone all we want but this kid carried the vikes till he got hurt-they use him almost too much thats why he gets injured. He is a stud at every position he plays and an upgrade to Ginn by a mile......

 

[BINGO]

4th round pick: Tyran Mathieu

Way to high for him. He is a PR/KR specialist at best in the NFL. I don't think he can even make a good Nickel Corner because of his size disadvantage. Other teams will just match him up against their biggest most physical receiver and bully him.

Mathieu is being drafted to play safety for us. Special teams ace his first year (learning behind Goldson). I agree with you though in that his size disadantage is a major issue. As a safety at times he would have to line up against someone like Jimmy Graham (or receiver of similar size) would be an overwhelming experience for him. I used to see that weakness from him at the college level when he played corner going against bigger receivers. He seems to always to be in position, but he ended being outjumped and out-muscled a lot. However, what he brings to the table his intincts, his smarts, his tenacity, his competiveness, is very rare to find such a package in one player. For that reason I think the pros somewhat outweighs the cons thus he is worth a late 4th round pick IMO. If we draft him later as you are indicator that is even better for us.

 

[BINGO]

No chance Alford drops to the 5th. I'm hearing as high as 2nd round now.

I didn't know that. It's unfortunate because that is a player I think that would have been a major steal for us if we were to draft him in the 4th or 5th round. I was impressed on what I heard about him coming out of the senior bowl practices; and in the game he really shined big time. Now I can see why his stock is rising so fast and this revelation is not a shocker to me at all.

 

[BINGO]

No chance he drops below the 4th. His return ability and play making ability are too high. Caused too many turnovers and makes too many big plays.

Lets not forget how high Hester was drafted as nothing more than a return specialist.

Well this is what Kinzu had written earlier:

4th round pick: Tyran Mathieu

Way to high for him. He is a PR/KR specialist at best in the NFL. I don't think he can even make a good Nickel Corner because of his size disadvantage. Other teams will just match him up against their biggest most physical receiver and bully him.

It seems to me that no one really has a clear picture of where Tyrann will land or should land. You say he'll be drafted sooner, Kinzu says later. As for me I fall in between the two of you with regard to where I believe he'll be drafted.

 

[BINGO]

Please people, we can say he is injury prone all we want but this kid carried the vikes till he got hurt-they use him almost too much thats why he gets injured. He is a stud at every position he plays and an upgrade to Ginn by a mile......

A lot of fans are in denial. They refuse to get better as a team. You can tell and differentiate between the fans that watches a lot of Vikings games, and the ones who simply relies on stats and highlights to give them an opinion on a player or a team as a whole.

 

[BINGO]

Harvin on the move?
February, 11, 2013 10:04AM ET
By Tim Kavanagh | ESPN.com

For some time now, there's seemingly been friction between WR/returner Percy Harvin and the Minnesota Vikings, the cause of which hasn't immediately been evident. As a result, some have speculated that he could be traded, though the return on that transaction for the Vikings would likely not be as strong as having the playmaker on the field. Things may have changed, however.

According to Dan Wiederer of the Star Tribune, the Vikings will be actively looking into trading the Florida product: "When the Vikings head back to the Combine next week, you can bet they'll cast a few Harvin-baited hooks into the waters and see if there are any nibbles. And with the 24-year-old playmaker heading into the final year of his rookie deal, now may be a practical time to pull the trigger."

So who would be interested? It's easier to make a list of teams that wouldn't be interested in the player that seemingly has the ability to score every time he touches the ball. Sure, the interpersonal friction aspect of Harvin's time in the NFL is a red flag, but talent typically trumps such matters.

One team on which to keep an eye: the New England Patriots, in the opinion of Judd Zulgad of 1500 ESPN Radio. The Pats don't have a wealth of draft capital this offseason for a change, but Bill Belichick has taken risks on players with some character concerns in the past, sometimes to great success; it may be worth one of the Pats' four draft picks to see if they can pull the best out of Harvin, especially in light of the fact that Wes Welker, Julian Edelman and Brandon Lloyd may all be gone this offseason. Here's ESPN AFC East blogger James Walker with his take on Harvin-to-the-Pats:

James Walker
Patriots interested in Harvin?
"The Vikings are reportedly looking to trade Harvin, who has tremendous ability but had issues with coaches in the past. Wes Welker is New England’s priority to re-sign. Only if talks break down there could Harvin be a stronger possibility."

 

[BINGO]

Trade suitors for Percy Harvin
Patriots among teams that should pursue Vikings' dynamic receiver
Originally Published: February 11, 2013
By Sam Monson | ESPN Insider

Percy Harvin is one of the NFL's most dynamic receiving threats.

History can have a funny way of repeating itself. Back in the 2005 offseason the Vikings finally had enough of superstar receiver Randy Moss and shipped him to Oakland in a trade that ultimately benefitted neither side. This offseason it seems that Minnesota might be heading in the same direction with Percy Harvin, as rumors have surfaced that the Vikings may try to trade their Swiss Army Knife on offense.

Though he missed the last seven weeks of the season due to injury, Harvin may be the single most explosive player in football with the ball in his hands, and the incredible finish to the season from Adrian Peterson has left many forgetting already that it was Harvin, and not Peterson, who was garnering talk of MVP over the first half of the season. At that time, everything that Minnesota did on offense flowed through the versatile receiver.

Despite missing the final seven games of the season, Harvin still led the league in missed tackles forced by a non-running back with 22. That is five more than the next best receiver, Brandon Marshall, who had 56 additional receptions on which to make people miss, and doesn't even count the five additional misses he forced when running the football lined up in the backfield, or the damage he did as a return man.

As a return man, he was a devastating weapon, scoring a touchdown and averaging over 35 yards each time he ran it back. As a receiver, only Philadelphia's Jason Avant, who didn't drop a single ball all season, had a better drop rate. In 81 targets through nine games Harvin dropped just a single pass, or 1.59 percent of the catchable balls thrown his way. Compared to other high-volume underneath targets like Wes Welker (11.28 percent), Davone Bess (11.59 percent), Dexter McCluster (11.86 percent) or Victor Cruz (12.24 percent) he is a far more reliable target.

But just like Randy Moss all those years ago, Harvin comes with baggage, and you have to buy into more than just his obvious talent and playmaking ability. There have been tensions between him and the Vikings brewing for a while, and with his contract expiring after the coming season a trade market may be emerging.

Even if Harvin brings with him more than just mercurial talent, there should be a queue of teams lining up to make a trade, so let's have a look at a few of the most likely suitors:



New England Patriots

Bill Belichick is said to be a huge Percy Harvin admirer, and the Patriots are currently reluctant to allocate big-money to Welker, an ageing player that likely doesn't have the same value outside of New England that he does in Foxboro. The answer might be to spend some of that money on a player that is younger, has better hands, and is more explosive, even if he doesn't have quite the same veteran savvy and nuanced route running. The New England receiving corps could certainly use the injection of pace and youth it would get from Harvin, and along with their stable of tight ends the Pats would have plenty of options to distribute the football in their ever-evolving offense. Lastly the Patriots have one of the league's healthiest salary cap situations, with just a little over $102 million committed in 2013.



San Francisco 49ers

If there is a team out there that has the ammunition in terms of draft picks it's the 49ers, having stockpiled them with trades in last year's draft. The 49ers have an additional 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th round selection, giving them plenty of flexibility to put together an acceptable package for the Vikings. On top of that the 49ers could certainly use a player of Harvin's ability, struggling at times for explosive plays this season with only really Michael Crabtree able to consistently separate. The myriad ways Harvin's versatility could be put to use inside the creative option looks the 49ers run is particularly mouth-watering. Lastly, if the 49ers do hold on to Randy Moss for another season, he became close with Harvin during his brief second stint in Minnesota, and the team might hope to use him to work with the younger receiver.


Atlanta Falcons

For the past few seasons the Falcons have been all about surrounding Matt Ryan with weapons to make the offense even better. With Tony Gonzalez about to hang it up, the team suddenly has a gaping hole in the middle of the field and underneath the defense. Harry Douglas hasn't shown he can operate consistently in that area, but Percy Harvin certainly has. Despite the aggressive moves they have made in the past, the Falcons are still in a healthy salary cap situation and have more than enough to get a contract done with Harvin. Roddy White, Julio Jones and Percy Harvin would be a fearsome trio.



Other Possibilities

Jacksonville Jaguars: It's a new regime with plenty of cap room and one final shot for quarterback Blaine Gabbert. If the Jaguars want Gabbert to succeed they could give him a legitimate stud to help in the offense and at least give him a fighting chance to swim rather than sink this season.

Miami Dolphins: This team has been crying out for receiver help for years. With a sophomore quarterback that flashed a lot of talent as a rookie, Harvin's dynamic play could only help his development.

Kansas City Chiefs: The Chiefs don't have the healthiest of salary cap situations, but Harvin fits the Andy Reid of small, precise and sudden receivers, and could help out whoever lines up under center for them opening day.



The Bottom Line

Teams rarely trade a player of transcendent talent like Percy Harvin, and when they do, you know there are issues to be resolved. A new contract will go some way towards appeasing him, but Harvin is a player that would benefit from a strong locker room, and leadership. If a team can do that and grab him for a second round pick however, they might have one of the steals of the decade.

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

I'd easily give up a 2nd round pick for Harvin. Thats a no brainer.

He brings a ton to an offense. Lot of versatility with him being able to play a part time running back and a return man. On top of all of this, he's only 24 yrs old.

I could probably be easily talked into giving up our 1st rounder for him too.

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

Harvin on the move?


James Walker
Patriots interested in Harvin?
"The Vikings are reportedly looking to trade Harvin, who has tremendous ability but had issues with coaches in the past. Wes Welker is New England’s priority to re-sign. Only if talks break down there could Harvin be a stronger possibility."

I'm going to be extremely pissed if the Patriots get him. They always seem to be able to r*pe other teams in trades and keep on bringing in quality player after quality player.

 

[BINGO]

I'd easily give up a 2nd round pick for Harvin. Thats a no brainer.

He brings a ton to an offense. Lot of versatility with him being able to play a part time running back and a return man. On top of all of this, he's only 24 yrs old.

I could probably be easily talked into giving up our 1st rounder for him too.

Like Sam Monson stated, "Harving would be considered the steal of the decade..." I would hate to have to see him play in Atlanta or in Foxboro. We really need to get this young player on our team, he still very young has a bit more room to get better (scary sh8t is he hasn't peaked yet). Please Baalke! Pleaseeeee!!!

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

Using the Pistol formation that we use quite a bit with Harvin lined up in the backfield with Kaep.....that could be deadly and create some great mismatches and confusion from the defense. Just another big perk of adding a player like Harvin. I'm starting to dream already

 

[BINGO]

Using the Pistol formation that we use quite a bit with Harvin lined up in the backfield with Kaep.....that could be deadly and create some great mismatches and confusion from the defense. Just another big perk of adding a player like Harvin. I'm starting to dream already

Harvin would make everyone around him better. Who do you double team Vernon Davis? Michael Crabtree? Harvin? Opposing teams wouldn't be dare to play or leave either one of those men in one-on-one coverage.

My dream play is the WR motion play that we have a tendency to run. The receiver motions real fast into our backfield - leading to a misdirection play to our running back. The amount of attention "a moving Harving" would command from the D would create lanes and leave players uncovered left and right. Roman is probably drooling right now begging Harbaugh and Baalke to take a strong look into getting him.

 

[threelittleturds]

When healthy, Harvin is a very good to great player... but its hard not to notice his health issues. The migraine thing has haunted him all 4 years hasn't it? That isn't going away just because he switches teams.

His attitude has been terrible too. I'm not really sure there is a place for him on the 49ers when their motto is "The Team, The Team, The Team" and Harvin's idea of where he belongs is "Percy, Percy, Percy"

 

[BINGO]

When healthy, Harvin is a very good to great player... but its hard not to notice his health issues. The migraine thing has haunted him all 4 years hasn't it? That isn't going away just because he switches teams.

His attitude has been terrible too. I'm not really sure there is a place for him on the 49ers when their motto is "The Team, The Team, The Team" and Harvin's idea of where he belongs is "Percy, Percy, Percy"

That was only for one year. When was the last time he missed a game because of the migraines? As a matter of fact, how many games has he missed in his career because of the migraines. That medical issue has been under control for more than a year now. What has he said or done to the Vikings that is considered detrimental to that organization? No beat writer is fully aware of what the tension is about but yet you quick to place blame on the guy. You must have some insight on this issue because this the summer I have read different reports on what the situation / rift was all about (him needing more touches; more money; etc.) - all rumors have either been denied by the Vikings front office or Harvin himself. Yet, you seem to have better knowledge on this issue...

 

[1911Alaska]

This would be so awesome!!!

For the right price of course