Are we really this Bad

[gkekoa]

Don't disagree with anything you have said. But this doesn't back up your claim.

Its interesting that you cite these experts here, but they are the same ones saying to quarantine which you dismiss as quackery. Interesting......

It absolutely does backup my claim. I showed you how it is transmitted, with source information, and then I showed how hygiene would prevent the illness. Do I need a source that says hygiene will prevent the illness when I explained it and it is obvious?

Unless you can catch it through the pores, which we are all screwed, it is obvious that hygiene will prevent it.

I cite their findings...not their opinions.

 

[gkekoa]

Which all proves my original point that GK took exception with. That we don't know jack shit about this virus. Even the world 's most notable expert in infection diseases, Dr. Fauci, is learning. My point being is we need more data before we open the doors wide like GK is a proponent of. He may be fine, but there are others in the world that won't. And we owe it to them to inconvenience ourselves at least until we have a better grip on just what this is, how it is spread (all facets) and who has it. Is there even immunity once you have had it? We don't even know that definitively yet. To think that all we need to do is wash our hands and cover our mouths when we cough to stop the spread is really dangerous thinking.

We know plenty about the disease. We don’t know everything...just like we don’t know everything about the flu, which has been around forever.

When did I say open the doors wide? I have said to open the economy at the federal level. I have said the governors should open the states. I have said it should really be the mayors who determine what to do because they know their citizenry the best. If the people of the city don’t like it, get rid of the mayor.

I do not believe we should open our borders to international travel. I actually believe US citizens returning to the US should be required to take a COVD test prior to be set out into the population or enter a mandatory three week quarantine. I believe this would be very Constitutional because US citizens were already given every opportunity to return to the US.

who do we owe? People losing their jobs and livelihoods is not an inconvenience. People being isolated, which is not part of the human condition, is not inconvenience. Solitary confinement is a punishment for a reason.

How is it dangerous when I literally showed you how it can be transmitted and explained how hygiene would prevent the transmittal?

As for the immunity, if there isn’t one, what do you suggest? A forever lockdown?

 

[gkekoa]

So what would the results have been like if we didn't quarantine? How may Americans would be infected? How many deaths would we have?

I would venture to say it wouldn’t have been much different in the grand scheme of things. We would have had more deaths and more infections at the beginning, with roughly the same mortality rate, but would even out over time.

Suicide rate has and will increase with this disease. This study shows more than a 30% increase in suicides. https://www.wilx.com/content/news/Study-predicts-increase-in-suicide-rates-among-COVID-19-frontline-workers-570016071.html

There are 50k suicides annually in the US. A 30% increase would give us an increase of 15k. Now how long would these effects last. I would venture to say they will be long-lasting because every month of unemployment is likely years to pay back the debt incurred.


Then there is an increase in overdoses of about 20%. Officials worry of potential spike in overdose deaths amid COVID-19 pandemic

There are 70,000 overdose deaths in the US annually. That is almost another 15,000 annual deaths.


https://www.ccsa.ca/sites/default/f...onsumption-During-COVID-19-Report-2020-en.pdf
This is a Canadian study talking about the increase in alcohol and drug use.


How many are dying because they did not get treatment from more deadly, but treatable or curable diseases? https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...a3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html


Food shortages will happen if we don’t go back to living. While I don’t agree with everything here, it is a good read. http://www.fao.org/3/ca8388en/CA8388EN.pdf


This is what is meant by the treatment being worse than the disease. If people are so damn scared of COVD, keep your ass at home. You will be safe. Let’s have a country and a life to return to.

 

[j_y19]

We know plenty about the disease. We don’t know everything...just like we don’t know everything about the flu, which has been around forever.

When did I say open the doors wide? I have said to open the economy at the federal level. I have said the governors should open the states. I have said it should really be the mayors who determine what to do because they know their citizenry the best. If the people of the city don’t like it, get rid of the mayor.

I do not believe we should open our borders to international travel. I actually believe US citizens returning to the US should be required to take a COVD test prior to be set out into the population or enter a mandatory three week quarantine. I believe this would be very Constitutional because US citizens were already given every opportunity to return to the US.

who do we owe? People losing their jobs and livelihoods is not an inconvenience. People being isolated, which is not part of the human condition, is not inconvenience. Solitary confinement is a punishment for a reason.

How is it dangerous when I literally showed you how it can be transmitted and explained how hygiene would prevent the transmittal?

As for the immunity, if there isn’t one, what do you suggest? A forever lockdown?

What do I suggest? Listen and learn before acting. That is what I suggest. We know very little about this particular virus contrary to your opinion. . You do realize that the virus we are facing today I has different characteristics than the one originated in China, right? It has already mutated. And we don’t know why. Yet.

 

[j_y19]

It absolutely does backup my claim. I showed you how it is transmitted, with source information, and then I showed how hygiene would prevent the illness. Do I need a source that says hygiene will prevent the illness when I explained it and it is obvious?

Unless you can catch it through the pores, which we are all screwed, it is obvious that hygiene will prevent it.

I cite their findings...not their opinions.

Sorry, it doesn’t. Where does it say this is all that is needed?

 

[j_y19]

I would venture to say it wouldn’t have been much different in the grand scheme of things. We would have had more deaths and more infections at the beginning, with roughly the same mortality rate, but would even out over time.

Suicide rate has and will increase with this disease. This study shows more than a 30% increase in suicides. Study predicts increase in suicide rates among COVID-19 frontline workers

There are 50k suicides annually in the US. A 30% increase would give us an increase of 15k. Now how long would these effects last. I would venture to say they will be long-lasting because every month of unemployment is likely years to pay back the debt incurred.


Then there is an increase in overdoses of about 20%. Officials worry of potential spike in overdose deaths amid COVID-19 pandemic

There are 70,000 overdose deaths in the US annually. That is almost another 15,000 annual deaths.


https://www.ccsa.ca/sites/default/f...onsumption-During-COVID-19-Report-2020-en.pdf
This is a Canadian study talking about the increase in alcohol and drug use.


How many are dying because they did not get treatment from more deadly, but treatable or curable diseases? https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...a3ef24-7eb4-11ea-9040-68981f488eed_story.html


Food shortages will happen if we don’t go back to living. While I don’t agree with everything here, it is a good read. http://www.fao.org/3/ca8388en/CA8388EN.pdf


This is what is meant by the treatment being worse than the disease. If people are so damn scared of COVD, keep your ass at home. You will be safe. Let’s have a country and a life to return to.

So you don’t know what the result would have been. Just speculation. But you are convinced it was a wasted effort. Really. Think about that for a minute

 

[skinsdad62]

So what would the results have been like if we didn't quarantine? How may Americans would be infected? How many deaths would we have?

about the ratio sweden had

 

[j_y19]

about the ratio sweden had

Best answer I have seen yet to this question. At least it is based in reason and fact, not opinion or self interest.

 

[Skins2021]

Broncos star Von Miller provides update on battle with COVID-19
2 days ago · Von Miller COVID-19 Ron Chenoy-USA TODAY Sports. Denver Broncos star and former

Its pretty much a given that if Trump loses the election that the Covid-19 crisis will no longer be a crisis

 

[Skins2021]

I hope the NBA comes back - just to do the playoffs. It should be easier than the NFL - considering there's so few players, in comparison.

NBA and NHL should cancel the 19-20 seasons now. I don't understand why they are pussyfooting this.

Don't mess with the following seasons we already have California and the extreme left winged media for that.

 

[gkekoa]

What do I suggest? Listen and learn before acting. That is what I suggest. We know very little about this particular virus contrary to your opinion. . You do realize that the virus we are facing today I has different characteristics than the one originated in China, right? It has already mutated. And we don’t know why. Yet.

we absolutely know why. Viruses mutate. It is what viruses do.

We should have listened and waited before shutting down the global economy.

 

[gkekoa]

Sorry, it doesn’t. Where does it say this is all that is needed?

Does it have to say it? Explain to me how you can catch it if you cover your mouth and nose, and wash your hands appropriately before touching your eyes, mouth, and nose.

 

[Skins2021]

So you are faulting people who have significantly more experience than you do for basing recommendations off of unknown, unpredictable events due to unprecedented spread of a brand new virus, and getting SOME of the predictions wrong?

That sounds reasonable to you?

cool.

Someone should be held accountable for pushing super aggressive models into all of our homes that will be off by hundreds of thousands while widely ignoring the more conservative models that are going to be closer to reality.

Almost like that fear **** shared for hysteria and clicks had a tremendous adverse implication to many peoples daily lives and well being.

Crazy idea to want to hold the "experts" accountable. I think the media and some of these so called experts are criminally negligible

 

[gkekoa]

So you don’t know what the result would have been. Just speculation. But you are convinced it was a wasted effort. Really. Think about that for a minute

So we should wait and see what the result is before acting. Think about the hypocrisy of your statement.

We reacted to a situation, which you agree with, and we should wait and see what the result will be.

Had we not reacted, you would be complaining we should have done something without knowing what the result would be.

 

[gkekoa]

NBA and NHL should cancel the 19-20 seasons now. I don't understand why they are pussyfooting this.

Don't mess with the following seasons we already have California and the extreme left winged media for that.

$$$

 

[gkekoa]

Best answer I have seen yet to this question. At least it is based in reason and fact, not opinion or self interest.

Post 132 basically said this. Do you even read what I post with sources? When the WHO says Sweden is the model, and I have said such, wouldn’t that be because I expect similar results?

 

[chillerdab]

Someone should be held accountable for pushing super aggressive models into all of our homes that will be off by hundreds of thousands while widely ignoring the more conservative models that are going to be closer to reality.

Almost like that fear **** shared for hysteria and clicks had a tremendous adverse implication to many peoples daily lives and well being.

Crazy idea to want to hold the "experts" accountable. I think the media and some of these so called experts are criminally negligible

Of course you do. They're "criminally negligible" for considering models of viral spread in Europe, China, South Korea, etc, and applying their knowledge to the United States.

Someone always needs to be "held accountable" for some people. Of course, there's never any personal accountability from the same complainers -it's always somebody else's fault.

Isn't that right, philly fan?

 

[Skins2021]

Using formulas to calculate compounding interest and applying those same formulas to death totals during a "pandemic" with a ton of variables most notably the human element and broadcasting those numbers into americans living rooms at a nauseating rate and then slinking into the shadows when those projections for clicks aren't even close to reality after the dow dips 1000 points and people lose their jobs is treasonous.

I hate big government but would be perfectly okay with an executive order signed to close down CNN. Truly the enemy of the people.

 

[chillerdab]

That's a luaghably bad interpretaion of actual events.

Welcome back, philly fan!

 

[j_y19]

Does it have to say it? Explain to me how you can catch it if you cover your mouth and nose, and wash your hands appropriately before touching your eyes, mouth, and nose.

That’s the point. We don’t know yet all the ways it could be transmitted. The ways you have pointed out are clearly some of them. But it would be foolish to think there are absolutely no other ways until we have a better understanding.