Ansah Prediction

[Vader]

Vader,

Let me ask you this -- if all a player needs is speed, why didn't the Lions draft Hunt #5 overall? He was much faster than Ansah and had a much more productive college career and he was much stronger than Ansah.

Since you do not need any technique or pass rushing moves to be successful at the DE position on the Lions -- Why wouldn't the Lions just draft the fastest DE's when addressing the position? Why didn't they draft Trevardo Williams #5 overall? He ran a 4.51 or something at the combine.

Instead of asking why they didn't draft this guy or that guy answer the question I've ask you multiple times now. What repertoire of moves or skills did Avril have, who put up double digit sack totals have that Ansah doesn't? And don't tell me he has more years of experience putting on his pads. The thread was about predicting how many sacks Ansah would have. I didn't even give a damn number, what I said was Ansah is perfect for our scheme and if Avril could be successful in it (and I think he was TERRIBLY overrated) then I think Ansah could be just as successful, even as a rookie. Like you seem to do with every thread you have hijacked it and decided to tell everyone else who's prediction you don't agree with that they are wrong and you are right.

 

[ShadowJ20]

6 sacks. I just hope that he can consistently apply pressure to the QB.

 

[Vader]

Question for you --how many sacks will Devin Taylor have then? He is a more polished pass rusher, who is a freak athlete as well and actually at the combine showed he had more quickness than Ansah in the 3 cone --which is really what a DE needs off the snap.
If there was a thread for that maybe I'd make a prediction. I happened to love that pick, for me it was IMO our best value pick. Please spare me the indignity of having to defend that statement against what I am certain is your complete disagreement. I couldn't give a flying fuck as to why you would think that is wrong. I am much more interested in learning what I didn't see in Avril that I see in Ansah. I also think that if Lojack had been in there for Avril he would have produced similar results. But that is my opinion. I also have an opinion on how popular you are amongst the CBS contingent whom you've effectively called stupid since you joined.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Instead of asking why they didn't draft this guy or that guy answer the question I've ask you multiple times now. What repertoire of moves or skills did Avril have, who put up double digit sack totals have that Ansah doesn't? And don't tell me he has more years of experience putting on his pads. The thread was about predicting how many sacks Ansah would have. I didn't even give a damn number, what I said was Ansah is perfect for our scheme and if Avril could be successful in it (and I think he was TERRIBLY overrated) then I think Ansah could be just as successful, even as a rookie. Like you seem to do with every thread you have hijacked it and decided to tell everyone else who's prediction you don't agree with that they are wrong and you are right.

I stand corrected. Ansah will put up numbers as good or better than Avril from Day 1. By the end of the 1st few games -- Lions fans will be saying Cliff Who? And since you do not need any technique or football moves to play the DE position in the Lions Wide 9 -- Devin Taylor will also eclipse Avril's numbers, giving the Detroit Lions one of the top pass rushing combos in the NFL.

I can wait to see how dominant this defensive line is going to be in 2013. I think they will be able to give the 84' Bears record of 72 sacks in a season a run for its money.

Detroit should also think about making Calvin Johnson a 2 way player. If Cliff Avril can get double digit sacks using only his speed. Calvin Johnson should be able to get 10-15 sacks himself in part time duty, as he is light years faster than Avril. He doesn't have to learn any technique or football moves, as they aren't necessary, so the switch to DE as well should be no problem for him.

I have re-thought my predicitions:

Ziggy Ansah will have 17 sacks.
Devin Taylor will have 19 sacks.
Jason Jones will have 18 sacks.
Willie Young will have 14 sacks.
Calvin Johnson will have 13 sacks.

Detroit will finish with 107 sacks as a team and they will also break the record for fewest points allowed per game of the Green Bay Packers of 1.7 PPG in 1939.

 

[Microwahevo]

Funny u want us to give u "real" answers but ur quick to give a smart ass answer. Interesting.

 

[LionsWhyMe]

IMO, people are going a little overboard on their predictions.

I have re-thought my predicitions:

Ziggy Ansah will have 17 sacks.
Devin Taylor will have 19 sacks.
Jason Jones will have 18 sacks.
Willie Young will have 14 sacks.
Calvin Johnson will have 13 sacks.

Detroit will finish with 107 sacks as a team and they will also break the record for fewest points allowed per game of the Green Bay Packers of 1.7 PPG in 1939.

I think you had a bit too much kool-aid.

 

[tpaulus_2]

What is the reason though? It seems by the logic used in this thread, you do not need any technique or football moves to play the DE position for the Lions. His combine numbers compare quite favorably with Ansah's and he actually bested Ansah on a couple of them.

My god you're petulant. One guy, half sarcastically says that all wide-9 DEs need is speed, and now your fixated on that and completely ignoring the actual discussion at hand.

I think your just deflecting to that because you realize that you've lost this argument so you're trying to keep everything off track...

 

[Microwahevo]

^^^Winner winner chicken dinner.

 

[Vader]

I stand corrected. Ansah will put up numbers as good or better than Avril from Day 1. By the end of the 1st few games --Lions fans will be saying Cliff Who?



Excellent. What new topic would you now like to tell everyone they are wrong on? Do you actually even need a topic? You should simply put up the You're All Wrong thread. No actual topic is needed. Everyone can just go there and post any statement they want and you respond telling them they are wrong, stupid, delusional or whatever hits you at that moment so long as you indicate how wrong their opinions and thoughts are and how yours are right. I'll keep my eyes open for that one.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Excellent. What new topic would you now like to tell everyone they are wrong on? Do you actually even need a topic? You should simply put up the You're All Wrong thread. No actual topic is needed. Everyone can just go there and post any statement they want and you respond telling them they are wrong, stupid, delusional or whatever hits you at that moment so long as you indicate how wrong their opinions and thoughts are and how yours are right. I'll keep my eyes open for that one.

Nowhere will you see me name calling. The only thing I've said is some people are going to be disappointed, as they are going overboard with some of their predictions.

I never called anyone dumb. I never called anyone stupid. I simply stated -- Ansah is extremely raw and it will take time for him to grow into the player everyone expects him to be from Day 1.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

My god you're petulant. One guy, half sarcastically says that all wide-9 DEs need is speed, and now your fixated on that and completely ignoring the actual discussion at hand.

I think your just deflecting to that because you realize that you've lost this argument so you're trying to keep everything off track...

What am I being petulant about? I gave you my reasoning on why I don't believe Ansah is going to step on the field from Day 1 and put up top 20 numbers in sacks.

Also show me where the "half sarcastic" comment about Avril only having speed at the DE position? It was not only posted as plain as day -- it was posted multiple times that the only thing Avril had was speed. That is why I said -- if it was only speed he had -- we should use Megatron as a two way player, as he could easily get 10+ sacks in the Lions defensive scheme since that is all you need.

Lastly -- how can ANYONE lose a discussion based on opinions? As I just got done saying -- I haven't said anyone was wrong. I just said IMO, people shouldn't go crazy on what they believe Ansah will do in year 1, as he has alot of growing as a player to do and he is going to struggle at times and quite possibly could struggle his entire rookie year getting acclimated, not only to a new defense, but a new position and a big jump in the quality of opponents he will be facing.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Funny u want us to give u "real" answers but ur quick to give a smart ass answer. Interesting.

I was being real. Are you saying I can't predict the Lions will break the sack record and all those players will rank in the top 10 in the NFL in sacks? Every guy I listed has speed off the edge, which means in the Wide 9 -- you are pretty much guaranteed 10 sacks a year like Avril.

I think the Lions will re-write the record books this year. None of the DE's will be doubled, because teams will be doubling both Suh and Fairley. There is no chance any team can match the Lions speed off the edge. If the double the DE's -- Suh and Fairley will just bullrush the interior linemen into the QB.

 

[K.J.Ester]

Ansah will be a rookie with little experience......
Ansah steps into the Wide-9
He will have Suh and Fairley in the middle.
He will be one of the fastest DE's in the game.
If he does get blocked, he has more size and strength to overcome it then Avril did.

Ansah only got 4.5 sacks in his senior year!!!!
He was not the starter all season.
He didnt have the DTs next to him he will have in Detroit.
As someone stated here.... he did not always play DE
He did not play DE from the Wide-9

I see a lot of reasons to believe he will be good in his rookie season. I still think he will get 8 sacks, but if he did get 10 it would not surprise me. I just think thats too high to predict.

Oh, and I know this isnt what this thread is about, but in his limited duty in his senior year, he also had 9 passes defended too. If he gets 5 sacks and 9 PD's in his rookie year? Im happy for it. If he gets 8 sacks and 8 PD? I would take that over Avril any year. Those would be great numbers for a rookie.

 

[tpaulus_2]

What am I being petulant about?

Wow, petulant and delusional. What a combo!

 

[tpaulus_2]

I gave you my reasoning on why I don't believe Ansah is going to step on the field from Day 1 and put up top 20 numbers in sacks.

You sound just like a politician. Your "top 20" bullshit sounds much more impressive than 10 sacks, so your holding onto it like a 3 year old who's uncle just told him there's a penis thief on the loose.

We get it, last season double-digit sacks would have landed him in the top-20. Not going to change the fact that 10 sacks is still totally obtainable and a large contingent (not me, mind you- I know how much you like to lump every one of us into the same post that you decide to fixate on. I said 8 sacks. Others said 10, or 12, or 7, etc... because we're all different in our opinions) thinks he can achieve.

Give your politicking a rest and stop worrying so much about winning arguments- we could honestly give a fuck less about your pride; nobody is keeping any track of who "wins" each thread man...

 

[tpaulus_2]

I was being real. Are you saying I can't predict the Lions will break the sack record and all those players will rank in the top 10 in the NFL in sacks? Every guy I listed has speed off the edge, which means in the Wide 9 -- you are pretty much guaranteed 10 sacks a year like Avril.

I think the Lions will re-write the record books this year. None of the DE's will be doubled, because teams will be doubling both Suh and Fairley. There is no chance any team can match the Lions speed off the edge. If the double the DE's -- Suh and Fairley will just bullrush the interior linemen into the QB.

"What am I being petulant about?"

Lol. Wow...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You sound just like a politician. Your "top 20" bullshit sounds much more impressive than 10 sacks, so your holding onto it like a 3 year old who's uncle just told him there's a penis thief on the loose.

TP -- feel free to name me the last season 10 or more sacks wasn't in the top 20 in the NFL.

I'm not saying it to make it sound "impressive" -- I'm saying it because it is a FACT. I will be waiting for you to give me the season where 10 sacks wasn't in the top 20.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Give your politicking a rest and stop worrying so much about winning arguments- we could honestly give a fuck less about your pride; nobody is keeping any track of who "wins" each thread man...

I'm guessing you are confused, as I already know it is impossible to "win a thread" when it based on nothing more than opinions. As I've already stated -- I haven't called anyone a name or said they were wrong. I just stated my opinion on why I think many fans could be disappointed in Ansah based on their predictions, as he is an extremely raw player and will take time to develop.

 

[broncosmitty]

I like how you ask questions Mike. But never answer any. It's that sort of sticktoitiveness that makes for a entertaining thread. Especially when it's a thread I'm not overly involved in. Solid work sir. Cliff Avril continues to blow!!!

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Ansah will be a rookie with little experience......
Ansah steps into the Wide-9
He will have Suh and Fairley in the middle.
He will be one of the fastest DE's in the game.
If he does get blocked, he has more size and strength to overcome it then Avril did.

Now here is where I will call out someone for being wrong. I put in bold, both comments that are wrong. Ansah was the 6th fastest DE at the combine this year and isn't even faster than the guy he will be replacing. How exactly will he be one of the fastest players in the NFL at DE?

While Ansah does have size over Avril -- Avril put up 225 lbs 27 times, while weighing almost 20 lbs less than Ansah, while Ziggy put it up 21 times. So he is definitely not stronger than Avril. At least not in his upper body strength.