Ansah Prediction

[TrustMeIamRight]

Are you always this narrow-minded?

I feel sorry for those who have to deal with you on a day-to-day basis. Believe it or not there are other's who know stuff about football around here besides you.

You sure act petulant when someone disagrees with you. Clinging to this "top 20" bullshit just shows that you can't handle people not agreeing with what you have to say...

I own a vending company, so the only people who have to deal with me are those who are paid by me, so they don't have a choice. LOL.

And I'm not trying to put anyone down for their 'opinions'. I'm just saying to be realistic with what you expect from him or you are going to be really let down when it doesn't happen.

It isn't as if the Lions drafted a 4 year starter in college with polished moves and a reputation for dominating the college game. They drafted a physical freak, who started a total of 7 or 8 games in college and only a couple were at DE. They drafted a guy who is basically a blank slate and the coaching staff is going to have to coach him up and teach him the moves necessary to be successful in the NFL at DE.

It isn't as if he is going to lining up against the tackles from the Mountain West on a week to week basis in the NFL and he is going to run right by them with his speed or overpower them. He is going to be going up against the best of the best, week in and week out.

It is going to take him time to learn what works and what doesn't in the NFL. I've already said, the sky is the limit for him, if he lives up to his potential. It takes time for most seasoned college players, who have played the game their whole life to live up to their potential in the NFL. People are talking like Ansah is going to step in and put up Cliff Avril numbers, when he has never started a full year at DE. Give the guy time to grow into his role on the team before you start predicting the guy will finish as one of the top sack producers in the NFL his rookie season.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It took JPP til his 2nd season to put up 16.5 sacks. Like I said earlier, that's the guy I will compare Ziggy to more than anyone, based on their college careers.

Did you know that Jason Pierre Paul had 121 tackles 24.5 sacks and 37 tackles for loss in his 2 years of Junior College before transferring to South Florida?

While I agree -- comparing the fact both had meteoric rises on draft day after the combine and only started a handful of games at D-1 -- JPP actually played the game of football and didn't have to rely solely on his athletic ability as a rookie. He actually played the DE position for a couple years before the NFL and before transferring to South Florida.

Ansah is going to be basically starting from scratch. BYU started him all over the place, once he finally cracked the starting the lineup. He has only played the game for 3 years total and the 1st two only saw the field really on special teams.

He is going to need time to develop. THAT is all I am saying. I'm not saying he is going to be terrible. I'm not saying he won't be a stud. I'm just saying he is going to need some time to become the player many are envisioning in this thread.

 

[Microwahevo]

It isn't as if he is going to lining up against the tackles from the Mountain West on a week to week basis in the NFL and he is going to run right by them with his speed or overpower them.

^^You say this...then say this:

Did you know that Jason Pierre Paul had 121 tackles 24.5 sacks and 37 tackles for loss in his 2 years of Junior College before transferring to South Florida?

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim playing against the Mountain West is weak while trying to prop up Juco years.

He is going to need time to develop. THAT is all I am saying.

Well, I think we all wish that was ALL you were saying. Regardless, I agree he will need time to develop, what friggin rookie doesn't? But I think he will have a chance to have a special rookie season playing with Suh and Fairley in the middle demanding so much attention.

 

[LionsWhyMe]

IMO, people are going a little overboard on their predictions.

LOL... speaking of predictions, I believe muzz is the only one who picked the Lions to have a losing season. A lot of Lions History in the last decade will support muzz better than the rest of us. But, pre-season has yet to be played and everyone has an option to change their minds before the start of the season. Sorry for going off topic to show the morale around here is on the high side. LOL... its the off-season and I'm pretty sure everyone here knows there's a lot of IF's going into the season. Besides, what fun would we have if everyone thought alike?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It isn't as if he is going to lining up against the tackles from the Mountain West on a week to week basis in the NFL and he is going to run right by them with his speed or overpower them.
^^You say this...then say this:

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Did you know that Jason Pierre Paul had 121 tackles 24.5 sacks and 37 tackles for loss in his 2 years of Junior College before transferring to South Florida?
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim playing against the Mountain West is weak while trying to prop up Juco years.

What I was trying to say is -- JPP actually PLAYED football in college. I'm not trying to pat him on the back for putting up numbers in JUCO. I'm saying, unlike Ansah, JPP actually played the DE position. They are comparable because of their physical capabilities, but IMO, JPP was far more advance in his knowledge of the game than Ansah coming into the NFL.

JPP went the JUCO route, not because of his lack of talent, but because of his lack of grades. It is also why he transferred to another JUCO school after his freshman season, because the academic bar was lower there. It also isn't as if South Florida was the only school that offered JPP in Division 1. He had offers from Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Miami, Florida, Florida State and Nebraska. He chose South Florida so he could stay close to home.

So while Ansah and JPP are similar -- they still have many differences, so expecting Ansah to replicate what JPP has done isn't fair, as Ansah didn't even know how to put on football pads 3 years ago.

 

[Vader]

If the only thing needed for the Lions DE position is speed. Why waste the #5 pick on the position? They could have taken Margus Hunt in the 2nd round -- he ran faster than Ansah. They could have taken Cornelius Washington in like the 5th or 6th -- he ran faster than Ansah. They could have drafted Mingo -- He ran faster than Ansah. So did Corey Lemonier and Trevardo Williams.

Hell -- if all that is needed is speed. Devin Taylor should be racking up just as many as Ansah. He actually was faster than Ansah in the 3 cone drill showing he has more burst, while only running 0.09 slower in the 40 yard dash.

Without any football moves -- all the OT is going to have to do is push Ansah upfield and past the pocket. I think Ansah will be a quality player, but I just think it is going to take him some time before he gets there. Personally, I just don't see him finishing the season in the top 20 in the NFL in sacks in his rookie year.

Please tell me what repertoire of moves Cliff Avril had other than speed Professor Dickweed?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Please tell me what repertoire of moves Cliff Avril had other than speed Professor Dickweed?

If I have to explain that to you -- you shouldn't be posting on a NFL chat board. If all a player has is speed at DE -- it makes him quite easy to block, as the OT can just push him past the pocket. It isn't as if Ansah ran a 40 time like say, Dwight Freeney, who ran in the 4.4s and even had a sub 4.4 on record. Ansah wasn't even the fastest DE at the combine.

I realize Lions fans think every draft pick made by the Lions is going to be a HOF'er until they step on the field. All I am saying is -- this is a guy who has never played a full year at DE -- hell, he has never been a starter for a full year, let alone played a 16 game schedule. 3 years ago, he didn't even know how to put on football pads. He is now going to be playing against the best of the best on a weekly basis. He has the tools necessary to be a tremendous player, but it is going to take time for him to become the type of players people on here are talking about.

 

[Vader]

If I have to explain that to you -- you shouldn't be posting on a NFL chat board. If all a player has is speed at DE -- it makes him quite easy to block, as the OT can just push him past the pocket. It isn't as if Ansah ran a 40 time like say, Dwight Freeney, who ran in the 4.4s and even had a sub 4.4 on record. Ansah wasn't even the fastest DE at the combine.

I realize Lions fans think every draft pick made by the Lions is going to be a HOF'er until they step on the field. All I am saying is -- this is a guy who has never played a full year at DE -- hell, he has never been a starter for a full year, let alone played a 16 game schedule. 3 years ago, he didn't even know how to put on football pads. He is now going to be playing against the best of the best on a weekly basis. He has the tools necessary to be a tremendous player, but it is going to take time for him to become the type of players people on here are talking about.

Oh no God of All Football Knowledge you have to explain it to me and every other fan who has watched the Lions play the past few years. what exactly did Avril have that made him successful? Thats what I ask you and you said if I didnt know that I shouldnt be posting here. So enlighten us all with your vast wit and D-1 playing experience as to what that was? Was it power and strength? Nope. Great swim move inside? LOL. Spin off contact? Nope. So what did he have then? Other than an occasional mop up sack caused by what the other d-line did he got every single sack I can recall in his entire career coming around the edge. Not a lot of technique in that move. How long do you think it will take the coaching staff to teach him that?

"Hey Ziggy?"
"Yeah coach"
"Now when they move that funny shaped brown leather thing you tear ass upfield and kill whoever is holding it at the time. Can you do that?"
"Sure thing coach"

In the wide 9 that about teaches him what he needs to know. My simple point before you pissed me off with your never ending drivel on how you seem to think you are always right is that if a player like Avril, who succeeded on speed and speed alone could put up double digit sack totals, then I see no reason whatsoever that Ansah couldn't be just as good or better (even as a rookie).

 

[broncosmitty]

Please tell me what repertoire of moves Cliff Avril had other than speed Professor Dickweed?

Would quickness for a man his size count?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Oh no God of All Football Knowledge you have to explain it to me and every other fan who has watched the Lions play the past few years. what exactly did Avril have that made him successful? Thats what I ask you and you said if I didnt know that I shouldnt be posting here. So enlighten us all with your vast wit and D-1 playing experience as to what that was? Was it power and strength? Nope. Great swim move inside? LOL. Spin off contact? Nope. So what did he have then? Other than an occasional mop up sack caused by what the other d-line did he got every single sack I can recall in his entire career coming around the edge. Not a lot of technique in that move. How long do you think it will take the coaching staff to teach him that?

"Hey Ziggy?"
"Yeah coach"
"Now when they move that funny shaped brown leather thing you tear ass upfield and kill whoever is holding it at the time. Can you do that?"
"Sure thing coach"

In the wide 9 that about teaches him what he needs to know. My simple point before you pissed me off with your never ending drivel on how you seem to think you are always right is that if a player like Avril, who succeeded on speed and speed alone could put up double digit sack totals, then I see no reason whatsoever that Ansah couldn't be just as good or better (even as a rookie).

Question for you -- how many sacks will Devin Taylor have then? He is a more polished pass rusher, who is a freak athlete as well and actually at the combine showed he had more quickness than Ansah in the 3 cone -- which is really what a DE needs off the snap.

Since DE's in the Lions Wide 9 do not need to know any moves or technique, maybe the Lions should start lining up Calvin Johnson at DE a couple series a game, so he could easily get double digit sacks to go along with his monster numbers on offense.

Look -- I understand everyone is excited about the potential of Ansah. If he picks up the game as quickly as they have said -- he could become an unbelievable player for a long time for Detroit. I believe he is going to have issues in his 1st year, not only because he will be playing a position he has never played for a full year, but playing against a caliber of players he has never had to play against either. He is very physically gifted and with coaching could become an absolute force. Those downplaying what Avril did for the Lions in the last few years and saying Ansah will step in from Day 1 and start putting up numbers Avril did are being shortsighted.

Ansah has ALOT to learn about the DE position. His physical attributes speed up the curve tremendously, but I believe, it will be another year or two before he realizes his potential. I will be the first one on here to readily admit I am wrong if Ansah goes out and gets 10 or more sacks. I just think a realistic number for him in his rookie year is 4-6 sacks.

 

[Thruthefog]

Lou Gehrig must have really sucked. He didn't get to play until someone got sick.

 

[Old Lion]

Roary could put up double digit sacks in this scheme next to Suh and Fairly. No experience necessary!

The question is how good will the line be as a unit at managing the run as well. Our secondary is now good enough that teams will probably prefer to run more against a flawed scheme.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Lou Gehrig must have really sucked. He didn't get to play until someone got sick.

Really truth? You use a baseball player whose rookie season was in 1923 as your example?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Roary could put up double digit sacks in this scheme next to Suh and Fairly. No experience necessary!

Apparently. Ansah is going to put up double digit sacks. Taylor should have no problem, as he is a physical freak too. He may lead the league in sacks. When you add in Willie Young and Jason Jones -- Detroit may finish the season with 80 sacks.

Imagine what Margus Hunt would have done in the Lions system. He may have challenged the NFL record for sacks his rookie season.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Oh no God of All Football Knowledge you have to explain it to me and every other fan who has watched the Lions play the past few years. what exactly did Avril have that made him successful? Thats what I ask you and you said if I didnt know that I shouldnt be posting here. So enlighten us all with your vast wit and D-1 playing experience as to what that was? Was it power and strength? Nope. Great swim move inside? LOL. Spin off contact? Nope. So what did he have then? Other than an occasional mop up sack caused by what the other d-line did he got every single sack I can recall in his entire career coming around the edge. Not a lot of technique in that move. How long do you think it will take the coaching staff to teach him that?

Vader,

Let me ask you this -- if all a player needs is speed, why didn't the Lions draft Hunt #5 overall? He was much faster than Ansah and had a much more productive college career and he was much stronger than Ansah.

Since you do not need any technique or pass rushing moves to be successful at the DE position on the Lions -- Why wouldn't the Lions just draft the fastest DE's when addressing the position? Why didn't they draft Trevardo Williams #5 overall? He ran a 4.51 or something at the combine.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Question for you -- how many sacks will Devin Taylor have then? He is a more polished pass rusher, who is a freak athlete as well and actually at the combine showed he had more quickness than Ansah in the 3 cone -- which is really what a DE needs off the snap.

So I realize that none of us know nearly as much about football as you do, but, for me at least, it stands to reason that there's probably a reason that Ansah was picked in the top 5 and Taylor lasted till the 4th round.

Just sayin'...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

So I realize that none of us know nearly as much about football as you do, but, for me at least, it stands to reason that there's probably a reason that Ansah was picked in the top 5 and Taylor lasted till the 4th round.

Just sayin'...

What is the reason though? It seems by the logic used in this thread, you do not need any technique or football moves to play the DE position for the Lions. His combine numbers compare quite favorably with Ansah's and he actually bested Ansah on a couple of them.

 

[Microwahevo]

Why do u keep repeating yourself miked? We all get it, all of your points. Just bc u repeat them doesn't make them any more accurate. You're like a broken record. Give it a rest already.

 

[broncosmitty]

Does Taylor wear 3Dglasses? Is '68's real name Thruth E. Fog? Was Cliff Avril a factor in any game of his career outside of the Monday Night Bears game?

 

[LionsWhyMe]

Question for you -- how many sacks will Devin Taylor have then? He is a more polished pass rusher, who is a freak athlete as well and actually at the combine showed he had more quickness than Ansah in the 3 cone -- which is really what a DE needs off the snap.

The Gem from the 4th round will get 10 sacks... easy!! It was an off year last season for the Lions. The D-line with its new book ends will be getting after it this season.