Another mock to prove my point

[TCB]

NFL mock draft 2.0: Needs shift in wake of free agency

Skins draft Gregory, and the Giants get Scherff.

9. New York Giants — Iowa OL Brandon Scherff: He appears to represent the perfect intersection of talent and need for GM Jerry Reese. Whether Scherff shifts to guard or remains at tackle and allows RT Justin Pugh to move inside, the Giants need to improve in the trenches.

I guess it is ok to draft a guy at 9 to play guard.
I guess he is the "perfect intersection of talent and need for the Giants but not the Redskins.

So we get Rak's replacement and the Giants build the Oline.


Not buying the Bullcrap for one second.

 

[Sharkinva]

IM confused... what point are you trying to make??

That we should actually take Scherff at #5.

Or that because a bunch of mock draft sights tend to think we will take a pass rusher and let the best O-lineman in the draft slide to the Giants we should do exactly that??


Side note... didnt we supposedly draft Raks replacement last year?? Or are we now just considering Murphy a wasted pick at worst, a backup at best??

Do tell.

 

[TCB]

Don't make me go through this again.
Ok just for you.

All the "experts" fail to realize that we have a legitimate football guy now. A guy who has said he likes big players. A guy who says he wants players that can make a difference in inclement weather which often happens in November and December in the NorthEast.

These experts seem to believe he is perfect for the Giants.
Why the Giants and not us? It is ok(For the Giants hint hint, get me?) at 9 to draft the best offensive lineman in the draft even if he plays guard, but never us at 5. Never! We draft small defensive ends that can't stop the run.

As for your comment about last year drafting Murphy. Scot was not here for that. Throw all our past drafts out the window.
WE HAVE A LEGITIMATE FOOTBALL GUY HERE NOW. How else must I spell it out for you.

I created a post a few weeks back which you probably did not read, talking about how our previous drafts seem to have influenced the minds of the so called experts. The fact that Scherff might eventually move inside does not bother me at all. I have been touting this guy for months on this board, and I am not wavering. I'm glad you have come around.

 

[Sharkinva]

Don't make me go through this again.
Ok just for you.

All the "experts" fail to realize that we have a legitimate football guy now. A guy who has said he likes big players. A guy who says he wants players that can make a difference in inclement weather which often happens in November and December in the NorthEast.

These experts seem to believe he is perfect for the Giants.
Why the Giants and not us? It is ok(For the Giants hint hint, get me?) at 9 to draft the best offensive lineman in the draft even if he plays guard, but never us at 5. Never! We draft small defensive ends that can't stop the run.

As for your comment about last year drafting Murphy. Scot was not here for that. Throw all our past drafts out the window.
WE HAVE A LEGITIMATE FOOTBALL GUY HERE NOW. How else must I spell it out for you.

I created a post a few weeks back which you probably did not read, talking about how our previous drafts seem to have influenced the minds of the so called experts. The fact that Scherff might eventually move inside does not bother me at all. I have been touting this guy for months on this board, and I am not wavering. I'm glad you have come around.

TCB.... I havent so much come around as I had not really had time to look at the draft until the past two months. I started thinking we needed Better O-lineman around the time that Colt Mccoy got put in IR. But as I worked most saturdays last year, my college football watching sadly was limited to Miami, The Gators and Central Florida. Not alot of line talent there for me to get excited about. LOL

But I agree Schreff should be the pick at #5, because I dont think we get him if we trade down. And depending on his pro day, the Jags might snag him at #3 any way.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Seeing as you would probably need a future #1 at a minimum to move up from 9 to 5 why are you talking as if the 9th pick in the draft is the same as the 5th pick in the draft? They are not the same thing at all. Most who see it my way would have no problem with the Giants, or the Redskins for that matter, taking him at 9 because that's where we think he should be drafted. Where he should not be drafted is 4 spots higher than where he is graded.

 

[deanpet21]

IF MM goes in the top 4 that would mean Fowler will get pushed down to us. I cant see how we would pass on Fowler at #5. Yes the oline needs to be addressed but we can do that in the 2nd round with a decent player. You cant get a guy like Fowler in the 2nd but you can make the argument that we can get a just as good of guard in the 2nd as Scherff.

Thoughts?

 

[Sharkinva]

IF MM goes in the top 4 that would mean Fowler will get pushed down to us. I cant see how we would pass on Fowler at #5. Yes the oline needs to be addressed but we can do that in the 2nd round with a decent player. You cant get a guy like Fowler in the 2nd but you can make the argument that we can get a just as good of guard in the 2nd as Scherff.

Thoughts?

I think you are trying to convince yourself that we could get just as good a player in the 2nd round to justify taking a lesser need because it would be a more exciting pick.

And as far as where people have Scherff graded to go in the draft, if you dont think assumed team needs play into all these MOCKs and big boards, you arent really paying attention. I mean I will ask again... how many of you really think Winston OR Mariota are the best players in this draft?? Yet one is pretty much locked in to go #1 over all, and the other is mocked any where from 2-12. There is a reason why Scherff is almost universally considered to be the first o-lineman to come off the board. And thats because he is the best lineman in this draft. I agree we might get an OK O-lineman in the second round, but a day one starter because he should be a day one starter is highly debatable.

 

[Sharkinva]

Seeing as you would probably need a future #1 at a minimum to move up from 9 to 5 why are you talking as if the 9th pick in the draft is the same as the 5th pick in the draft? They are not the same thing at all. Most who see it my way would have no problem with the Giants, or the Redskins for that matter, taking him at 9 because that's where we think he should be drafted. Where he should not be drafted is 4 spots higher than where he is graded.

Actually the #5 slot is worth 1700 points, the number nine is worth 1350.. .so a move up to five from nine would NOT cost a future first. It could be done for this years 3 and next years third and be considered a fair trade.


Just because we took it in the exit port to get RG3 does not mean every other team out there is willing to get abused in such a way.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah i figured someone would call me out on the value of 5 vs 9. Shocker it was Shark. Whatever, it's still not the same pick.

 

[deanpet21]

Shark, but the best olineman in the draft has major pass blocking issues. Why aren't you concerned with this? What if Clemmings or Humpries fall to us in the 2nd round? They can come in and start at RT for us. Yes Scherff is a great run blocker but most guards are in this draft.

Winston is the best player in this draft it is just the offield stuff that got in his way. Plus you cant compare a QB to any other position.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark, but the best olineman in the draft has major pass blocking issues. Why aren't you concerned with this? What if Clemmings or Humpries fall to us in the 2nd round? They can come in and start at RT for us. Yes Scherff is a great run blocker but most guards are in this draft.

Winston is the best player in this draft it is just the offield stuff that got in his way. Plus you cant compare a QB to any other position.

First off Winstons Off field issues would be a much bigger red flag than any I see from Scherff. You can teach a guy to correct pass blocking issues.. you cant fix jackass.

Secondly.. IM apparently more concerned with fixing the line which goes a much longer way towards fixing this TEAM, than bringing in another hiighlight magnet that will make multiple pro bowls while the team continues to finish ass last in the Division. I would much rather see them use the pick on the next Doug Martin type, we dont need another Arrington or Orakpo.

 

[martinez]

its hard to teach foot quickness

 

[deanpet21]

The risk is greater than the reward with Scherff. im not saying bypass the oline. I said address it in the 2nd round. Plus we can pickup a vet before the season starts. You never know. In todays nfl you need to pass block. When the #5 overall pick cant do that its a huge red flag.

 

[Sharkinva]

The risk is greater than the reward with Scherff. im not saying bypass the oline. I said address it in the 2nd round. Plus we can pickup a vet before the season starts. You never know. In todays nfl you need to pass block. When the #5 overall pick cant do that its a huge red flag.

Actually i would say the risk in not taking him is greater than the reward we might get from the pass rusher flavor of the week. And no where has it been said that he cant pass block, it has been stated that he will need to improve at the next level. I would surely prefer a RT that needs to improve on his pass blocking skills over another pass rusher that will make pro bowls while we continue to finish last in the division.

And Im sorry but we do need to address the line long term and not with just some veteran cast off signed on a one year deal because he was replaced by the guy we should have drafted in the first place.

 

[skinsdad62]

boy i can see both sides of the issue but i think shark is right about the o/line and about scherf . i think he is the next martin . we need the next martin

the pass rushers have questions and fowler might not be there .

now here is a kicker , what if sherf is off the board , then what ? the jags could very well take him

 

[deanpet21]

doubtful. if MM goes #2 the Jags will take Williams. If Tenn takes Williams then Jax takes Fowler. Scherff is going to be there when we pick.

 

[Sharkinva]

doubtful. if MM goes #2 the Jags will take Williams. If Tenn takes Williams then Jax takes Fowler. Scherff is going to be there when we pick.

Oh Im pretty sure he will be there when we pick... for the moment. But I would say being in their home market, dont sleep on the possibility of the Jags drafting him. And while I agree we could get a guy in the 2nd or possibly 3rd round who could start for us. I think by the time our pick comes up in the second, the talent drop off at OT will be significant. And as far as 3rd rounders go, I think we end up with another 2-3 year project at that point ala Morgan the red sea Moses.

As for those that say trade down and we could get him around 10 or 12.... He wont make it past the Giants at 9.

As for the Jags.... Im still wondering why a team that was tied for 5th in sacks last year actually NEEDS another pass rusher at #3, Especially considering the fact that they also LEAD the league in number of sacks given up. As i mentioned in another post, dont be surprised if Scherff has a good pro day and all of a sudden starts getting mocked to the Jags at #3.

 

[Sharkinva]

boy i can see both sides of the issue but i think shark is right about the o/line and about scherf . i think he is the next martin . we need the next martin

the pass rushers have questions and fowler might not be there .

now here is a kicker , what if sherf is off the board , then what ? the jags could very well take him

If he is off the board at five, then I say go plan b and try to trade down, take Peat if he doesnt then get snagged by the Giants, option three would be Collins depending on where we traded down to. If we are stuck with the 5th pick.. fine take a pass rusher and look for line help later.

Side note on the bolded part... three more of those and Sportshoopla has to buy every one on the Skins board a free footlong.

 

[Ritzarmy]

No matter what we have several options at #5 which is a good situation because of a bad record. Unfortunately we could use any position. We all can speculate on who, what, when, where and how this player or that is the best fit but its all in Scotty's hands. BPA on the board when we draft is our guy. Damn I cant wait for this draft. 39 more days till we find out the answer.

 

[skinsdad62]

now do you move scherf right into lavo'S slot and move lavou to chesters ?