Annual: Who Got Snubbed Thread

[ericd7633]

You have blinders on if you really think that.

Down the stretch? You mean over half the season.

No, it's just not how the process works.

And phrase it how you want, the whole season matters. I never understood the notion that it shouldn't.

 

[Robotech]

It was the part about no P5 team with an RPI of 49 or better being left out. Or however you phrased it. USC isn't even the highest RPI P5 school to be left out.

What I said is accurate, assuming the article I read is accurate. I specifically stated power conference and ever since the field expanded to 68.

 

[Myles]

That actually makes 0 sense to me. People keep saying "total body of work". I just don't understand that. 15 games is a huge portion of the season. We are not talking about a late 4 game slide. If you are trying to gauge the ability of an athlete are you going to rely on their 40 time as a 7th grader or their latest 40 time at the combine? If you are picking teams for a post season tourney, it makes sense to put greater weight on the 2nd half of the season, especially in a sport where teenagers are are a large portion of the participants

Also, 2-9 on the road is for the full season.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

Virginia, Arizona, and Kentucky.

 

[Myles]

No, it's just not how the process works.

And phrase it how you want, the whole season matters. I never understood the notion that it shouldn't.

Yes, the whole season matters. They went 18-13.

 

[ericd7633]

That actually makes 0 sense to me. People keep saying "total body of work". I just don't understand that. 15 games is a huge portion of the season. We are not talking about a late 4 game slide. If you are trying to gauge the ability of an athlete are you going to rely on their 40 time as a 7th grader or their latest 40 time at the combine? If you are picking teams for a post game tourney, it makes sense to put greater weight on the 2nd half of the season, especially in a sport where teenagers are are a large portion of the participants

That's a terrible metaphor IMO.

If an NBA team starts out 40-10, and finishes 8-22, they still deserve to make the playoffs. And it's not like OU took on bad losses during their stretch, they only had 1 combined Q3/Q4 loss.

 

[ericd7633]

What I said is accurate, assuming the article I read is accurate. I specifically stated power conference and ever since the field expanded to 68.

The article is not even close to accurate. Are you saying no power conference team with an RPI better than 49 has ever been left out?

 

[Peter Gozintite]

No one got snubbed. Play better.

 

[rmilia1]

I get that, but since they expanded to 68 with the play in games, you can't really complain about not getting in. They have to cut it off somewhere. It is the National Championship. It's amazing how different the Playoffs are for NCAA football and basketball. In football, you argue who the 4th best team in the country is and why the 5th and/or 6th should be there instead. In basketball you are breaking the teams down just as much, but it is the 65th through 75th ranked teams to see if they deserve a spot.

True but there's also 3 times as many basketball programs playing 3 times as many games and 3 times as much parity. In CAN when the number 62 team beats number 1 its a monumental upset. When that happens in CNN it's a Wednesday

 

[ericd7633]

Yes, the whole season matters. They went 18-13.

Yeah and they had one of the best 36 at large resumes. They weren't even in the Last 4 In.

 

[Myles]

That's a terrible metaphor IMO.

If an NBA team starts out 40-10, and finishes 8-22, they still deserve to make the playoffs. And it's not like OU took on bad losses during their stretch, they only had 1 combined Q3/Q4 loss.

Poor comparison. Oklahoma went 14-2 then 4-11.

 

[Robotech]

The article is not even close to accurate. Are you saying no power conference team with an RPI better than 49 has ever been left out?

Since the expansion to a field of 68, no power conference team with an RPI better than 49 has ever been left out.

 

[ericd7633]

Since the expansion to a field of 68, no power conference team with an RPI better than 49 has ever been left out.

Yeah, whoever wrote that article is a dumbass, I'm sorry. USC's RPI isn't even the highest power conference team to be left out since the expansion. Hell even this year Louisville has an RPI of 38.

 

[Robotech]

That's a terrible metaphor IMO.

If an NBA team starts out 40-10, and finishes 8-22, they still deserve to make the playoffs. And it's not like OU took on bad losses during their stretch, they only had 1 combined Q3/Q4 loss.

The NBA is a poor comparison. What's great about the pros is that there are very well-defined and clear rules on how to make the postseason, while determining the NCAA tournament field comes down to judgment calls. That being the case, it's reasonable to argue that a team shouldn't make the field because of how poorly they played in their last 15 games.

 

[ericd7633]

Poor comparison. Oklahoma went 14-2 then 4-11.

Okay, so OU starts out 14-2, lets say the NBA team goes 42-6(tripling the record since they play almost triple the amount of games). Then the NBA team goes 8-26 to finish the season. Does the 50 win NBA team not deserve to make the playoffs? That's technically a worse % than what OU did in their last 15 games. My guess is you'd say no.

 

[Robotech]

Yeah, whoever wrote that article is a dumbass, I'm sorry. USC's RPI isn't even the highest power conference team to be left out since the expansion. Hell even this year Louisville has an RPI of 38.

Which team had a higher RPI and got left out since the expansion to 68? I'm not sure about your point regarding Louisville. USC is at 34, so they're higher than Louisville.

 

[ericd7633]

The NBA is a poor comparison. What's great about the pros is that there are very well-defined and clear rules on how to make the postseason, while determining the NCAA tournament field comes down to judgment calls. That being the case, it's reasonable to argue that a team shouldn't make the field because of how poorly they played in their last 15 games.

And my guess is if the NBA has to select the best 16 teams, they'd choose the teams with the best 16 records and under my hypothetical scenario, that team would be selected, despite playing like crap the last 30 games.

 

[ericd7633]

Which team had a higher RPI and got left out since the expansion to 68? I'm not sure about your point regarding Louisville. USC is at 34, so they're higher than Louisville.

You said no team with an RPI better than 49 had been left out.

 

[Robotech]

You said no team with an RPI better than 49 had been left out.

That statement is true with the qualifiers that it is a power conference team, prior to this season, and ever since the expansion to a field of 68 teams. The article that I read didn't mention this year's Louisville team. Perhaps the article didn't mention Louisville because USC's RPI is higher than Louisville's RPI.

 

[ericd7633]

That statement is true with the qualifiers that it is a power conference team, prior to this season, and ever since the expansion to a field of 68 teams. The article that I read didn't mention this year's Louisville team. Perhaps the article didn't mention Louisville because USC's RPI is higher than Louisville's RPI.

Okay, but it's still not correct because Oklahoma got left out with an RPI of 33 in 1994. Makes me question the rest of the article to be honest.