Andy Dalton Article

[Cincyfan78]

Except it really wouldn't be much of an increase from last years' stats.

3699 yards at 62.2% with 27TD's and 16INT's for 2012.

Increase in yards, % and TD's are all very possible with the additions on offense, and hopefully, a 3rd year under his belt.

I think the INT's are going to be between the 15-20 range as a norm for his career, he does take care of the ball fairly well. What he needs to work on are the 4 fumbles he had. Can't drop the ball when you're the QB.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

And he has missed PLENTY of wide open receivers. A lot of plays he doesn't even attempt to make.



a 'pretty good' year? To me that looks like a career year for Dalton. All of those would be career highs.


There are no excuses for Dandy this year, it's that simple. He's got the weapons. If the Bengals are actually going to be serious about winning, if Dalton doesn't perform this year, we're going to have to look to draft on in 2014 because QB IS one of the weakest links.

Yep. Time to look to the draft for a young QB, and start all over again. We will be drafting no less than 24th, and we are looking to get a brand new young QB somewhere in the mid 20's. Sounds like a super logical plan to me.

Start this process all over again as we wait to rebuild the offense around a new QB as we begin to lose some of our core players to FA.

To be honest, it is Dalton or bust at this point.

 

[flamingrey]

Yep. Time to look to the draft for a young QB, and start all over again. We will be drafting no less than 24th, and we are looking to get a brand new young QB somewhere in the mid 20's. Sounds like a super logical plan to me.

Start this process all over again as we wait to rebuild the offense around a new QB as we begin to lose some of our core players to FA.

To be honest, it is Dalton or bust at this point.

Rebuild the offense? This offense is not built around Dalton. This offense begins with Green, and he himself is not built for Dalton types. The pieces are in place for any QB to come in and "flourish". It is not Dalton or bust. With what we have (offense and defense), you can plug and chug any QB without losing a step.

If Andy doesn't show signs of improvement (better stats alone is not the improvement we need from him), I would absolutely spend a high pick on a QB next draft (and recall Andy was drafted in the 2nd round in a "weak" draft, so a 24th pick should presumably be a better prospect than Andy was).

Thinking back, I remember the debates about bringing Peyton in. I was all for trading 2 1st round picks for him. With this defense and the pieces on offense, we'd be favorites to win the SB every year.

 

[flamingrey]

Except it really wouldn't be much of an increase from last years' stats.

3699 yards at 62.2% with 27TD's and 16INT's for 2012.

Increase in yards, % and TD's are all very possible with the additions on offense, and hopefully, a 3rd year under his belt.

I think the INT's are going to be between the 15-20 range as a norm for his career, he does take care of the ball fairly well. What he needs to work on are the 4 fumbles he had. Can't drop the ball when you're the QB.

Those stats don't tell the story of Dalton's issues. YPC/YPA need to go up. Pocket presence needs to improve. Downfield accuracy needs to improve (I wish these stats were more readily available).

 

[ckhokie]

Yep. Time to look to the draft for a young QB, and start all over again. We will be drafting no less than 24th, and we are looking to get a brand new young QB somewhere in the mid 20's. Sounds like a super logical plan to me.

Start this process all over again as we wait to rebuild the offense around a new QB as we begin to lose some of our core players to FA.

To be honest, it is Dalton or bust at this point.

Totally seriously, what about this offense is specific to Dalton?

Assuming a quarterback can pick up a west coast offense, who couldn't run this team?

 

[jdwills126]

I like Dalton. I think he fits the offense the Bengals want to run. He is still a young guy and he is just getting real threats to work with.

The fact he doesn't force a ball is huge for a young guy. Most young QBs like Stafford, Newton, and Bradford have huge arms and that gets them into trouble more often than not.

Dalton continues to develop and trust his ability I think the Bengals will have a top 10 QB. The fact he isn't forcing mistakes is actually a really good trait for a young QB.

His upside is better than Christian Ponders, Wheeden, Tannehill, and Locker IMO.

 

[bengaldoug]

I have to fall on the side of flamingrey(did I say that?) and hokie. This is it for Dalton. The offense has plenty of weapons, and the defense is stacked. It's on him to make it happen now.

 

[cincygrad]

I'd be for replacing Dalton if I felt we could get a significant upgrade. Unfortunately, I'm just not sure if that will exist. For instance, in this past year's draft we could have taken Geno Smith late in the first round, but it's not clear he would offer anything immediately. Given that this team is built to win now, I'd almost rather take a vet -- Unfortunately there are very few of them that are worth a damn that become available.

So which is it.... Rookie or FA?

 

[CrashDavisSports]

So I guess I don't get it.

Either you can plug any QB into our offense and they would be setup to succeed (Dalton is any QB), or the offense is flawed and not just "any" QB can succeed here.

So which is it?

Any QB can succeed here, or our offense is f'd up some how?

 

[Tubbs1518]

I'd be for replacing Dalton if I felt we could get a significant upgrade. Unfortunately, I'm just not sure if that will exist. For instance, in this past year's draft we could have taken Geno Smith late in the first round, but it's not clear he would offer anything immediately. Given that this team is built to win now, I'd almost rather take a vet -- Unfortunately there are very few of them that are worth a damn that become available.

So which is it.... Rookie or FA?

Exactly....have you looked at the FA QB's next year. You have Cutler who likely never sees FA, Vick, Freeman and Matt Cassell. If Freeman is any good he won't hit FA either. If he does hit FA it means he sucked.....would we want him? He would still probably command a pretty high dollar to get.

The rookies you are looking at are probably David Fales, Derek Carr, Stephen Morris, Aaron Murray and Jeff Matthews. Are any of them significant upgrades to Dalton? I'm not sure. They all have significant flaws in their games. We aren't getting Bridgewater, Boyd or Manziel more than likely. So who do we get that is a significant upgrade to Dalton?

 

[bengaldoug]

It's a dilemma, to be sure.......he's just going to have to improve, and immediately.

 

[flamingrey]

So I guess I don't get it.

Either you can plug any QB into our offense and they would be setup to succeed (Dalton is any QB), or the offense is flawed and not just "any" QB can succeed here.

So which is it?

Any QB can succeed here, or our offense is f'd up some how?

Have you seen the stats that Andy has put up? He looks like a competent QB, and he is to an extent. He's good enough to get you to the playoffs. But he's of the Trent Dilfer, Alex Smith types that will be the weakest link on a SB caliber team, which is the door we're pretty close to knocking on right now.

The offense is not flawed. Dalton is only holding it back.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Have you seen the stats that Andy has put up? He looks like a competent QB, and he is to an extent. He's good enough to get you to the playoffs. But he's of the Trent Dilfer, Alex Smith types that will be the weakest link on a SB caliber team, which is the door we're pretty close to knocking on right now.

The offense is not flawed. Dalton is only holding it back.

Dilfer weakest link, but a Superbowl champion. I do not think Andy Dalton is the weakest link on this team, far from it. He is no superstar like Geno and AJ, but to be honest, those are our only two players even worthy of "superstar" status.

 

[kramer1]

Andy Dalton sucks.

 

[ckhokie]

I do not think Andy Dalton is the weakest link on this team, far from it.

QB was a notable weak spot last year. With Dre possibly being the real deal, Eiffert shoring up TE, aside from C, what else is a 'weak link?'

 

[cincygrad]

QB was a notable weak spot last year. With Dre possibly being the real deal, Eiffert shoring up TE, aside from C, what else is a 'weak link?'

Dalton was definitely a weak link, but there were others too....MLB and SS come to mind. Second receiver also sucks.

 

[Cincyfan78]

To say Dalton was the weakest link last year is idiotic and not true at all.

Look at MLB and I think Owen Daniels just caught another pass over Rey M....

Seriously though, Dalton has had a pretty good first 2 years. I think everyone just wants him to step in and be a 4500 yard passer with 35 TD's 10 INT's and a 68% completion record. As much as it will be to the chargrin of this board, this is not a make or break year for Andy Dalton in the NFL or with the Bengals. It might be for some fans, but that doesn't matter, as much as we would all like it to.

I agree that along with the stats I posted earlier, that YPA, deep ball accuracy and pocket awareness all need to improve. Hopefully with the new additions on offense the YPA will take care of itself. I think more accuracy on the deep ball will come, but that is TBD. He does need to simply learn to throw the ball away, avoid the sack, when plays are busted.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

To say Dalton was the weakest link last year is idiotic and not true at all.

Look at MLB and I think Owen Daniels just caught another pass over Rey M....

Seriously though, Dalton has had a pretty good first 2 years. I think everyone just wants him to step in and be a 4500 yard passer with 35 TD's 10 INT's and a 68% completion record. As much as it will be to the chargrin of this board, this is not a make or break year for Andy Dalton in the NFL or with the Bengals. It might be for some fans, but that doesn't matter, as much as we would all like it to.

I agree that along with the stats I posted earlier, that YPA, deep ball accuracy and pocket awareness all need to improve. Hopefully with the new additions on offense the YPA will take care of itself. I think more accuracy on the deep ball will come, but that is TBD. He does need to simply learn to throw the ball away, avoid the sack, when plays are busted.

He probably does this better than any young QB in the league. One of his problems may be he does do this too much rather than trying to risk taking a shot.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

QB was a notable weak spot last year. With Dre possibly being the real deal, Eiffert shoring up TE, aside from C, what else is a 'weak link?'

C
SS
MLB
OLB (last year now occupied by Harrison)
LT (because Whitworth was hurt)
LG (for the first half the season until Boling starting rolling a bit)
WR (everyone behind AJ Green)
RB (everybody)
TE (Gresham or bust, unfortunately, Gresham was also bust)
CB (the speed of our secondary at times last year hurt us)

 

[flamingrey]

To say Dalton was the weakest link last year is idiotic and not true at all.

Look at MLB and I think Owen Daniels just caught another pass over Rey M....

Seriously though, Dalton has had a pretty good first 2 years. I think everyone just wants him to step in and be a 4500 yard passer with 35 TD's 10 INT's and a 68% completion record. As much as it will be to the chargrin of this board, this is not a make or break year for Andy Dalton in the NFL or with the Bengals. It might be for some fans, but that doesn't matter, as much as we would all like it to.

I agree that along with the stats I posted earlier, that YPA, deep ball accuracy and pocket awareness all need to improve. Hopefully with the new additions on offense the YPA will take care of itself. I think more accuracy on the deep ball will come, but that is TBD. He does need to simply learn to throw the ball away, avoid the sack, when plays are busted.

It really isn't idiotic if you use a little common sense.

MLB was weak, but the defense was still great. Having a better MLB would definitely improve the defense, but not dramatically, and very insignificantly compared to the effect on the offense if Dalton would improve just a little bit.

Dalton constantly doesn't see open receivers. He's consistently bad with the long ball. He's very antsy in the pocket. Everytime the pocket even remotely starts to collapse, he stops looking down the field. I really couldn't give a crap about his stats. Any QB would put up decent stats on this team.

I don't want YPA to "take care of itself" because we have better weapons or because we get more yac. I want it to improve via Dalton being better throwing the ball down the field. If YPA improves, but Dalton is the same QB, what does it matter? He will still be a hindrance to this team.